Mercenary Contract - Working as intended?

Gloran

So,

Mercs are way stronger than the average player in PvP now (9k hp, seems legit), people don't even try to actually fight each other, just spam Mercs over and over. I wouldnt mind, if they weren't *** bugged to the point they turn invulnerable/untargetable so you can't clear/kill them.

Am I the only one that highly dislikes the turnout of being forced to pve in the pvp part of the game?
Guards are all reasonable and rational but 20 mercs, 50% of them turning invulnerable, really?

Edit:
Cross refering threads addressing related issue.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/106696/mercenary-in-pvp-are-out-of-control-disable-or-fix-this-before-people-just-stop-pvping
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/106705/mercenaries-turned-pvp-into-pve
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/106224/mercenary-exploit#

Nandred

yea the invulnerable mercs are disgusting. I don't know if they are done via the player stealthing or invis. I just know that i saw them being summoned by a person who was stealthing/invisible and i couldn't target the merc soon after.

I leave it to EP to always find the new and happening exploit in wabbajack, gj.

Samadhi

A bug exploit to summon invulnerable NPCs to fight for us.

PvP at its finest.

Izatar

I don't know if this even is an exploit; we had it happen for us and we don't know why. It is a serious bug of course, 3 or 4 invulnerable mages makes taking a keep very difficult!

Igolbug

Between the lag and the caltrops bug I've just not been logging in last few days. I only pvp in this game, I have pvped to v9 from level 10 basically only pved for enough skillpoints. When they ignore their pvp playerbase to this extent it is not fun.

Amulrei

Samadhi wrote: »

A bug exploit to summon invulnerable NPCs to fight for us.

PvP at its finest.

Why is it every day I play this game I feel more and more like an unpaid QA tester for the console version rather then a satisfied subscriber of a solid product?

ishilb14_ESO

Zenimax, if you're not gonna fix the Mercenary Contracts and balance them, then actually do something and just remove them. You can balance them by allowing a maximum of 8 at a time in an area, or cutting their HP down to 5000. Stop promoting Zerg vs Zerg and make Alliance War more Player vs Player

Mykah

They should just be removed period. Less Pve mobs is better Pvp.

lao

Mykah wrote: »

They should just be removed period. Less Pve mobs is better Pvp.

this

Hypertionb14_ESO

ishilpatelb14_ESO wrote: »

Zenimax, if you're not gonna fix the Mercenary Contracts and balance them, then actually do something and just remove them. You can balance them by allowing a maximum of 8 at a time in an area, or cutting their HP down to 5000. Stop promoting Zerg vs Zerg and make Alliance War more Player vs Player

ok im going to say this once..

its not a war if its 1 on 1.

Censorious

Okaaaay - how about this?

We get to have mercs to attack the other mercs. Then we can all go and watch TV while they duke it out?

Even better - can I have some to do my PvE for me? save all that running about gathering resources. Er...why does that sound familiar?

ishilb14_ESO

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

ok im going to say this once..

its not a war if its 1 on 1.

It's not war either when a single player can spawn 20 mercs from his ass to defend a keep against players; if we wanted PvE, we wouldn't be going to Cyrodiil, if a keep has no players defending it, and npcs alone can defend it, then it's no longer PvP, it's PvE. So try to cut back on the soundbites and come up with reasoning that has some logic behind it.

frwinters_ESO

They just need to fix the invulnerability bug. Just like a group of players you can use siege against a group of NPC's.

maxilaub17_ESO

Gloran wrote: »

So,

Mercs are way stronger than the average player in PvP now (9k hp, seems legit), people don't even try to actually fight each other, just spam Mercs over and over. I wouldnt mind, if they weren't *** bugged to the point they turn invulnerable/untargetable so you can't clear/kill them.

Am I the only one that highly dislikes the turnout of being forced to pve in the pvp part of the game?
Guards are all reasonable and rational but 20 mercs, 50% of them turning invulnerable, really?

I'm with you on this, the over use of mercs and the invulnerable bug is out of control atm.

CaptainSilverbrow

Until just recently, we were doing pretty well on our home PvP server (EP) with surprisingly little presence from AD (they're primary activity was largely palling around with DC guildmates and coordinating in Mumble/TeamSpeak/whatever, this was observed in the wild all the time by myself and fellow EP players), with most competition coming from the DC. Then, suddenly, in a fortnight, the entire map turned yellow, including our home keeps, all of them. This was just the other day, mind you.

I never fully understood the Mercenary exploit before because neither DC nor EP were really using them, as the exploits were viewed between us unsporting (and obviously cheating, but it's not like Zenimax enforce their rules). AD players apparently don't share this conviction; we went to retake Faragut last night, about nine players, and completely wiped to just three AD players, each with at least two (it seemed there were about six or seven mercs total). I hadn't actually seen it in action before last night.

It's pretty depressing right now. We can't even retake our most proximal keeps because it only takes one or two AD players, each with three unkillable mercs to wipe us out, and nobody on either the other two factions will replicate that strategy, so we're just corralled to our ends of the map.

bruceb14_ESO5

Nandred wrote: »

yea the invulnerable mercs are disgusting. I don't know if they are done via the player stealthing or invis. I just know that i saw them being summoned by a person who was stealthing/invisible and i couldn't target the merc soon after.

I leave it to EP to always find the new and happening exploit in wabbajack, gj.

Interesting re: stealth recall theory. Curious if that is what is being done.

Exploit - Punishment?

JosephChip

Mykah wrote: »

They should just be removed period. Less Pve mobs is better Pvp.

You should run for presidency of Cyrodiil with this slogan. I would vote for you hard.

Wolfahm

they just need to be attack able and spawnable only INSIDE/ON keep walls.
In camps lower the cap to 10 or less..

Gloran

Every second those bugged mercs are on live servers, you lose subscriptions. A lot of people are very upset about it, I'd suggest you disable and rework them rather sooner than later.

bruceb14_ESO5

At least you can't buy them at the moment. Obviously work is in progress. Agreed that it was messed up.