Pointless 'nerf' to low level armour appearance

Khandi

Heraclea wrote: »

In game, I always just wear the Forebear disguise from Alik'r Desert anyways.

(I am slightly surprised that the disguises continue to work in Cyrodiil, as well; but then again I've always thought that concealing your class and gear level would make PvP more fun.)

(What I really want is a Wyress disguise.)

Me too because the armor is butt-ugg in this game. I would rather go naked the wear the long robe armor.

Amsel_McKay

ITS OK... when they add dyes everyone will be bright pink and purple...

Drachenfier

Khandi wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

FYI dyes are coming next few patches so this is all moot

Dyes!!??!! OMG! Add in a AH and ESO will be nothing but a WoW clone!!

LOL

yodased

Yeah basically. Green is for low levels. Blue is for high levels. Pretty simple.

yodased

Beyond that, why is this so important to you? You will out pace your gear in 2 levels...

kassandratheclericb14_ESO

Yes it is simple...

I completely understand that this was a fix as it was not how it was supposed to be.

However in a game that is trying to attract not only the MMO crowd but tap into the single player TES crowd I think this was a bad idea from the start.

I have no idea when the dyes are coming...I expect it isn't really high on the priority list-and that makes sense. Nor do I know if the dyes will be easy to obtain or ridiculously stupid to obtain.

Wanting a little color variation in your armor just because you aren't at the almighty Vet level isn't really asking for a great deal. They could have easily fixed the issue while allowing some color variation to remain. I assume since they are releasing dyes then they have other color textures available (or should soon.) Making a few re-colors isn't very difficult.

Tarwin

Definite advantage on being colorblind. I haven't seen any difference on my 10-30 alts yet. I did Notice my VR1, boots stand out more though after the patch, showed the wife and she just commented on how small my feet were

So now THAT is what is driving me nuts?!

Nephys

@ yodased I will not outpace my gear in two levels because certain of my characters do not level at all. I just don't want to pointlessly look even drabber on those characters. ESO attracted a number of players who have little interest in either end game or even Veteran levels. Some like to RP, some like to craft, Veteran levels are not the be all and end all and many are simply not interested in endless grinding or the group play required for Craglorn. I didn't make the mistake of supposedly making lower level kit look high end - not that it ever did - and I don't believe it is too much to ask simply to be allowed to have some colour variation. Keep going as you are yoda, and do enjoy playing in a half-empty game, because that is the way this will end up.

Poeskas

I doubt everything was intended to be this nasty poo-brown/yellow-pee color though...

Nephys

@Poeskas Oh my

KhajiitiLizard

My lvl 47 alt's armor did not change at all. Really low level armors should look kind of bad.

Nephys

@ThatArgonianGuy What do you class as 'really low level'? I have a 25 that now looks like a rust bucket.

KhajiitiLizard

Level 25? That's still not far in the game at all. Still uses the second tier of materials right?

wrlifeboil

ThatArgonianGuy wrote: »

Level 25? That's still not far in the game at all. Still uses the second tier of materials right?

That's what this thread is about, low level armor.

Guess this was high on the list of priorities for ZOS.

yodased

@nephys ok I will.

You are saying because you make the choice to not level a character that the game should realize that and give you nice looking gear?

If you want better looking gear, get 'better'. 'Better' in this game is related to progressing through the levels. Higher level = better looking gear.

Don't level = Don't get better looking gear.

This isn't conjecture, I'm not intentionally trying to annoy anyone I just can't get behind the anger/confusion on this one.

Noctisse

Yoda, everyone agrees that low level gear isn't supposed to look great, as good looking high level gear has always been a motive to level up, but it can't look like the result of indigestion either, otherwise it completely ruins your mood to play the game. For how many levels is one supposed to put up with wearing potato sacks?

It is common sense that better looking textures and fancy colours should be reserved for higher levels, and that the visual quality of armour should improve gradually as you level up. This progression already existed in game.

Like Omnevolous said: After about 15 levels of, ehm, earthy colours, last night I also got a dull blue-gray set of robes for my character. Nothing silky or vivid that would justify the butthurt reactions of many end-game characters in this thread.
Today I logged in with my now lvl 20 sorceress, and my robes are back to a splendid combination of gastric fluids green and diarrhea brown, because the existing low-high lvl gear difference was apparently not considered obvious enough, and the easiest solution for the developers was to turn all equipment below lvl 30 or so to a pile of guar dung. THAT is the reason of our anger and confusion, not the fact that end game clothing looks good, as it should.

rayeab16_ESO

@‌yodased , the anger / confusion is that the low gear did not actualy LOOK that good to most players, but now it looks EVEN WORSE.

no one is arguing that the veteran gear should look like drek. you work hard, you get shineys, yes?
but not everyone actualy LIKES veteran content.
some came to ESO to dive hard into the game, level like their lives depended on it, and get into the *endgame* as soon as possable.

(and btw, there is NO such thing as *endgame* where a mmo is conserned. there is only 'Maxed Level Current' content. every game moves the so called endgame goalposts whenever they feel like it, so you never reach the end of the game. only of your desire to keep going lol)

however, a fair few of us came to take a leasurely stroll in the realms of the elder scrolls. to fish, to craft, and to have our characters story be told.
why should we have to rush to the end, just to be able to look at our characters without flinching?

the original versions of the gear should have been left as they were, and BETTER versions of the veteran gear should have been added.
you could tell at a glance, whether someones gear was white, green or better, just by the differences in its colours or accents
(example, my lvl 8 white quality homespun robe was a brown colour, where as the same robe in green quality had a bronzish sheen to it)
surely that had uses in PvP? (i havent been to cyradil, so i do not know if your gear changes when you enter the pvp area)

you realy should be able to tell the veteran gear from the normal gear, but not becasue the normal gear looks like drek. the veteran stuff should have gold, gems and prestige added to it, not (from what i hear) take the best looking lower level gear's textures and slap them ontop of a new colourtint.
make it shimmer. make it have textures in the metal or cloth. keep the basic non-shimery old normal gear if you *must* make all the glamour go into the vet gear.

alot of the anger is becasue people connect with the character they are playing. associate themselves, put a little of themself into the character. and lets face it. we humans are vain. we like fancy clothes, makeup and good hair. (tho it was nice to be able to make a short, fat char here) we go out of our way (and so too do the designers of said games) to make our characters LOOK GOOD.

its like when people wouldnt take your char (in other games such as wow and ff14) if you didnt have the full set of iLevelMax gear on, into a dungeon at all (a dungeon that level of gear was OP for in anycase)
we want to look *decent*
we shouldnt have to get to veteran level, to get a reasonably decent looking set of gear.
what was the point of letting us craft racial gear in the first place if ONLY the veteran gear was supposed to be pleasant to look at?

but i do have to say that, some of this anger would have been mitigated if they had added the dyes at the same time.
(but then we would be here arguing about 'why should i have to become emperor, just to get real black dye?!' and 'why do dyes have to be locked behind achevements!!1' ect)

also, a fair bit of anger would have been deflected, if clothiers could make, you know CLOTHES. we have them in the elsder scrolls you know...no armour bonus, no buffs, just a wearable item that covers you. hell, make them not enchantable. make them go in the disguse slot if you realy MUST. make them only white grade.

Poeskas

Noctisse wrote: »

Today I logged in with my now lvl 20 sorceress, and my robes are back to a splendid combination of gastric fluids green and diarrhea brown, because the existing low-high lvl gear difference was apparently not considered obvious enough, and the easiest solution for the developers was to turn all equipment below lvl 30 or so to a pile of guar dung. THAT is the reason of our anger and confusion, not the fact that end game clothing looks good, as it should.

It isn't just level 30 and below. My character is wearing level 42 armor, and it's all a nasty yellow-pee color.

yodased

I am nothing if I am not open to change, when I get home I will go and get some lvl 20-30 gear and check it out.

My personal opinion is it doesn't matter and I think that is the main disconnect between those who think I am just being thick. I personally don't care what the armor looks like, so to me its not a big deal.

I get what you guys are saying, but I don't think you are listening to what I am saying.

They didn't make them uglier. They put them the way they originally designed them.

To call for a low level armor redesign is fine, to say they are ugly and we deserve better looking armor, I GET IT. To say that the developers 'nerfed' your armor is the "bone of contention" in this discussion I think.

rayeab16_ESO

they call it nerfing, becasue *nerfed!* is the word everyone uses when something you used, (abused) or relied upon is changed in a non beneficial way.

while you are at it, check the diference bewtween what you see, and what is (currently) available at http://eso-fashion.com/clothing-by-style/

look at the old lvl 4 and lvl 8 nord armour, then see if there is even a difference between any of the gear, other than the shades (puke green, guar-pee yellow or bathroom brown)

i *personal* dont like any of the vetaran gear. hell the breton stuff makes me think of SubZero, and the redguard vet gear (femail) looks like rita repulsa ('ah, after 10 thousand years, im FREE, time to conquer ESO!' )
but i woudlnt want anyone else to not *have* vet gear...i just do not feel i (and others like me) should be forced into veteran content (assuming there isnt any other ways in future, to reach those veteran levels other than the auto V1 you get when dinging 50) to be able to look half decent.

and i wish someone would post some pictures, so its easier to see the differences

ThisOnePosts

I believe they did a great job with the armor look changes and hope they implement even more variety!

Omnevolus

Yeah, in 2 levels I'll be stuck with another suit of puke-green robes. We have specified, plenty of times, that we're referring to color and only color here, right? Yoda must have gotten lost in the dark side where color is irrelevant unless you're a VR toon. And he hasn't even seen them! Not being thick, but okay to be an ... donkey? Ffs, had enough of willful ignoramus' today already lol.

Jim_McMasterub17_ESO

yodased wrote: »

I honestly think that the armor models were completely messed up from the beginning. Obviously its the same core pieces with layers that give the armor its end look, they had the layers messed up giving lower level armor the look of higher level armor and vice versa.

People got used to the lower level armors looking great because they looked like high level armors. Now that its fixed and low level armors look like low level armors, people will be tooshie hurt.

I agree to a point. ALL the armor was messed up. I was wondering why my level 8 crafted pieces looked SO good, but my level 18 pieces looked like hammered horsesh**

Aoifesan

The grubby peasant cries out! There goes the King!

How do you know he's the King?

Because he hasn't got *(@*$ all over him.

rayeab16_ESO

XD @Aoifesan yeah, nothing like a bit of Python to lift your spirits...

oh and we have GREY to add to the new peasant pallet!
the Redoran Archmage Robes! are now a slate gray....

we're now playing in that subworld from buffy, where 'bright colours attract the vampires'.....
its elder bots online! with added BLAND.....hm....so yummy.....

(oh, and yes, the lvl 8 green grade robe i mentioned? now looks exactly like the lvl 4 versionn that was befor it. it was brown to start out with ffs ZoS, why is it now pickle green? you could have left that one brown you know, it would have fit in perfectly....*sigh* well at least i can canabalize it now with no worries....and save all the green grade materials for higher levels of gea.....wait, they all look like i walked into 'accountants r us' whether they are enhanced or not.....AH, so THATS it, you are hoping we will all empty our banks of the stuff thats now useless untill we hit veteran, so its a double purpouse *fix* it sorts out the full bank problem too, right? RIGHT?!)

Nephys

@rayeab16_ESO‌ You have solved it, why I didn't think of it before. Clearly any non-dour shade attracts vampires and thus Zenimax are simply trying to protect low level players from such. Perhaps the bots that roam the game in droves are left there to protect us against werewolves.

rayeab16_ESO

ah, if it were only that simple.....
*sharpens stake, gets her machette honed*
vampires arent that difficult. head and heart people, head and heart....

(well, if you want to be REALY sure, burn the heart, and split the ashes into 2 seperate rivers that go into 2 seperate seas...but they need to be at least 1k old for that level of paranoia)

lol.
i realy realy hope this isnt just a way to make folks buy dyes from the eso store....

Khandi

There is no reason to have only brown, dull blue and vile green armor. I have no idea why ZOS would even do that to the armor.

"The truth is that in the Middle Ages, all classes of people wore colourful garments. Contrary to popular belief, colours such as Royal Purple were not forbidden for all but the nobility. In truth, the concept of Royal Purple (which was closer to blue than purple anyway) dates to the days of the Roman Empire when purple was made from a rare mollusk, the Murex. By the Middle Ages, this mollusk was extinct and even peasants could make a fine purple from a mixture of madder root (red) and woad (indigo) or certain lichens that grew on rocks. Many bright colours were available for common folk to wear."

And...

"Truth be told, medieval people would have rarely worn brown or grey clothing. Browns and greys are much more difficult to dye than the bright colours they did wear."

Noctisse

Khandi is right, but I guess the gradual change in colours is meant to signify your slow ascendance from former soulless prisoner with filthy, worn clothes, to acknowledged hero with fancy raiments. Still, judging from what Poeskas said, Zenimax is now taking ''slow'' to a whole new level.

rayeab16_ESO

i think they (ZoS) think only veteran level players are allowed any kind of colour, even the lvl 30ish player i saw was in crappy green.....the only blue i saw in the last hour, was on an orcish stablehand.....go figure, at the *important* person in blue...oh wait, they didnt alter the SERVANTS GEAR to match our stuff. guess they forgot that the servants should be wearing lower grade stuff than the poor adventurers.....then again, what are they going to put them in? sack cloth? (allready in use by other characters. error error)