(Some?) Poisons break weaving (some weapon+skill combos?)

Kas · April 2016

What I've found so far (one other guy was able to reproduce it but had neither of us had other poisons at hand):

1.Use (lightning) staff without poison and weave LA+Force pulse
- > works perfectly well

2. Equip a poising (I used one with immovability/speed-snare/stam-cost, like the popular immovable+speed+stam pots but with oil) and try to weave
- > absolutely f***ing impossible and infuriating

I had to log off yesterday and I'm at work now. Looking back at other problems I've had on meele chars (which I blamed on pts ping from Europe at the time), I THINK (not sure) it might have been that specific poison only that mini-stuns yourself. It certainly was most obvious on the sorc, though. I'll continue testing but I won't have time today so I'd love to see others share their findings.

Right now the sorc+poison was absolutely unplayable and without it, 220ping was still annoying but the difference was overwhealming

thejynxed · April 2016

Kas wrote: »

What I've found so far (one other guy was able to reproduce it but had neither of us had other poisons at hand):

1.Use (lightning) staff without poison and weave LA+Force pulse
- > works perfectly well

2. Equip a poising (I used one with immovability/speed-snare/stam-cost, like the popular immovable+speed+stam pots but with oil) and try to weave
- > absolutely f***ing impossible and infuriating

I had to log off yesterday and I'm at work now. Looking back at other problems I've had on meele chars (which I blamed on pts ping from Europe at the time), I THINK (not sure) it might have been that specific poison only that mini-stuns yourself. It certainly was most obvious on the sorc, though. I'll continue testing but I won't have time today so I'd love to see others share their findings.

Right now the sorc+poison was absolutely unplayable and without it, 220ping was still annoying but the difference was overwhealming

I wonder if the new animation canceling is having a strange interaction regarding poison procs when you attempt to weave. Lightning staff has it's own issues anyhow because it's channeled and things go weird sometimes even on current Live when you weave with it. You should probably do further testing using Fire/Cold as well.

MissBizz · April 2016

thejynxed wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

What I've found so far (one other guy was able to reproduce it but had neither of us had other poisons at hand):

1.Use (lightning) staff without poison and weave LA+Force pulse
- > works perfectly well

2. Equip a poising (I used one with immovability/speed-snare/stam-cost, like the popular immovable+speed+stam pots but with oil) and try to weave
- > absolutely f***ing impossible and infuriating

I had to log off yesterday and I'm at work now. Looking back at other problems I've had on meele chars (which I blamed on pts ping from Europe at the time), I THINK (not sure) it might have been that specific poison only that mini-stuns yourself. It certainly was most obvious on the sorc, though. I'll continue testing but I won't have time today so I'd love to see others share their findings.

Right now the sorc+poison was absolutely unplayable and without it, 220ping was still annoying but the difference was overwhealming

I wonder if the new animation canceling is having a strange interaction regarding poison procs when you attempt to weave. Lightning staff has it's own issues anyhow because it's channeled and things go weird sometimes even on current Live when you weave with it. You should probably do further testing using Fire/Cold as well.

@TheJinxEffect Lightning staff is a channel? Weird. I always thought it was just restoration staff that was a channel

Sugaroverdose · April 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

thejynxed wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

What I've found so far (one other guy was able to reproduce it but had neither of us had other poisons at hand):

1.Use (lightning) staff without poison and weave LA+Force pulse
- > works perfectly well

2. Equip a poising (I used one with immovability/speed-snare/stam-cost, like the popular immovable+speed+stam pots but with oil) and try to weave
- > absolutely f***ing impossible and infuriating

I had to log off yesterday and I'm at work now. Looking back at other problems I've had on meele chars (which I blamed on pts ping from Europe at the time), I THINK (not sure) it might have been that specific poison only that mini-stuns yourself. It certainly was most obvious on the sorc, though. I'll continue testing but I won't have time today so I'd love to see others share their findings.

Right now the sorc+poison was absolutely unplayable and without it, 220ping was still annoying but the difference was overwhealming

I wonder if the new animation canceling is having a strange interaction regarding poison procs when you attempt to weave. Lightning staff has it's own issues anyhow because it's channeled and things go weird sometimes even on current Live when you weave with it. You should probably do further testing using Fire/Cold as well.

@TheJinxEffect Lightning staff is a channel? Weird. I always thought it was just restoration staff that was a channel

They both channel on heavy, but their light attack isn't, so it shouldn't have any difference with ice/inferno staff in this case.

Kas · April 2016

thejynxed wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

What I've found so far (one other guy was able to reproduce it but had neither of us had other poisons at hand):

1.Use (lightning) staff without poison and weave LA+Force pulse
- > works perfectly well

2. Equip a poising (I used one with immovability/speed-snare/stam-cost, like the popular immovable+speed+stam pots but with oil) and try to weave
- > absolutely f***ing impossible and infuriating

I had to log off yesterday and I'm at work now. Looking back at other problems I've had on meele chars (which I blamed on pts ping from Europe at the time), I THINK (not sure) it might have been that specific poison only that mini-stuns yourself. It certainly was most obvious on the sorc, though. I'll continue testing but I won't have time today so I'd love to see others share their findings.

Right now the sorc+poison was absolutely unplayable and without it, 220ping was still annoying but the difference was overwhealming

I wonder if the new animation canceling is having a strange interaction regarding poison procs when you attempt to weave. Lightning staff has it's own issues anyhow because it's channeled and things go weird sometimes even on current Live when you weave with it. You should probably do further testing using Fire/Cold as well.

as long as clicks are crisp enough, and don't trigger the HA, the LA isn't channeld. Likewise, without poison, everything works as I am used to. Still, I agree and I should (Saturday the earliest I have time) test with inferno/cold as well. May also be that the poisons somehow trigger the heavy/medium attack and that ruins it. Didn't feel like it, more like the poison proccing made it impossible for me to cast the skill and mini stun myself

VaxtinTheWolf · April 2016

I mentioned this in the poison-making feedback thread myself. It does indeed seem to drop the next command if you are quickly going through a 'rotation' and an equipped poison triggers. I had to take them off because it bothered me so much while doing 4-mans alone a few nights ago.

It's like the poison takes all priority for that moment, but since it's random you can't predict when to stagger your own inputs.

Kas · April 2016

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

I mentioned this in the poison-making feedback thread myself. It does indeed seem to drop the next command if you are quickly going through a 'rotation' and an equipped poison triggers. I had to take them off because it bothered me so much while doing 4-mans alone a few nights ago.

It's like the poison takes all priority for that moment, but since it's random you can't predict when to stagger your own inputs.

Could you link your post please? I want to tag it with insightful, quote it there and maybe crosslink this thread to produce enough spam for ZOS to actually see it. It really ruins the whole poison mechanic for me.

VaxtinTheWolf · April 2016

Kas wrote: »

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

I mentioned this in the poison-making feedback thread myself. It does indeed seem to drop the next command if you are quickly going through a 'rotation' and an equipped poison triggers. I had to take them off because it bothered me so much while doing 4-mans alone a few nights ago.

It's like the poison takes all priority for that moment, but since it's random you can't predict when to stagger your own inputs.

Could you link your post please? I want to tag it with insightful, quote it there and maybe crosslink this thread to produce enough spam for ZOS to actually see it. It really ruins the whole poison mechanic for me.

Here is a direct link to my post.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2922632/#Comment_2922632

Adamon2 · April 2016

I have the same problem with Fire Destro Staff. When you weave it works fine until a potion triggers then it you can't light/meduim attack. Once you see your staff change appearance from the poison, it stops you from light attacking. You have to use a skill then the appearance of the staff goes back to normal and you can weave again until the poison triggers again. It's totally frustrating. That can't be what was intended.

Kas · April 2016

Adamon2 wrote: »

I have the same problem with Fire Destro Staff. When you weave it works fine until a potion triggers then it you can't light/meduim attack. Once you see your staff change appearance from the poison, it stops you from light attacking. You have to use a skill then the appearance of the staff goes back to normal and you can weave again until the poison triggers again. It's totally frustrating. That can't be what was intended.

now that you put it this way, i think you accurately describe what i felt as well.
the problem may be more obvious with staves and especially force pulse because the projectile is so fast and the skill completes before the poison prcs