Templar Perception after ESO Live 2-12-2016 ...

Essiaga · February 2016

You heard "stuff" from @Wrobel ... how are you feeling about the hours you put into your Templar(s)?

Funkopotamus · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

I just wish Temps had the tools to tank a lot better than they do right now. I do not care if it came at a cost of DPS what little we have.

DK's are allowed to have the best tanking tools along with top tier DPS and are decent at healing..

But then again as we all know ZOS wants everyone to have 8 slots filled with DKs "New world Order" kinda thing

Essiaga · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

Every class is a better healer the then Templar is Tank or DPS.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

D ... Eh . I think PVE-wise maybe but PVP-wise the Templar needs work that obviously isn't coming anytime soon.

Essiaga wrote: »

Every class is a better healer the then Templar is Tank or DPS.

The Tank/DPS issue is my big beef with it. I don't mind Templar being an equal healer. By the way does having heals mean Templar should have the worst cc in the game, while having no mobility. The way things are designed Templars should be the BEST class at standing their ground, and clearly they are not.

technohic · February 2016

D ... Eh . I think PVE-wise maybe but PVP-wise the Templar needs work that obviously isn't coming anytime soon.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Essiaga wrote: »

Every class is a better healer the then Templar is Tank or DPS.

The Tank/DPS issue is my big beef with it. I don't mind Templar being an equal healer. By the way does having heals mean Templar should have the worst cc in the game, while having no mobility. The way things are designed Templars should be the BEST class at standing their ground, and clearly they are not.

I think I am on the same page as you on this. It's lacking the tools that it needs and we've been denied with being the best healer as being the reasoning.

Kammakazi · February 2016

A++... Bright Future!! Wrobel gets the needs of the Templar Class in both PVP and PVE.

QQ

Essiaga · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

Kammakazi wrote: »

QQ

Thank you for your participation.

Abeille · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

I think he genuinely doesn't get it and thinks the changes are good and that templars are in a good position right now.

I could hope that he would open his mind to the feedback since it doesn't seem like he actually plays a templar to see for himself, but it would be foolish of me. After all, people have been posting feedback on the issues for quite a while and he still refuses to acknowledge them.

technohic wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Essiaga wrote: »

Every class is a better healer the then Templar is Tank or DPS.

The Tank/DPS issue is my big beef with it. I don't mind Templar being an equal healer. By the way does having heals mean Templar should have the worst cc in the game, while having no mobility. The way things are designed Templars should be the BEST class at standing their ground, and clearly they are not.

I think I am on the same page as you on this. It's lacking the tools that it needs and we've been denied with being the best healer as being the reasoning.

That's the issue. He says it is so that the other classes are as good at healing as templar, but it seems that he isn't worried about making templars as good at being tanks/dds as the other classes.

And, again, if they wanted to make the other classes as good as healing, they should just buff them, not nerf Templar's heals.

Essiaga · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Essiaga wrote: »

Every class is a better healer the then Templar is Tank or DPS.

The Tank/DPS issue is my big beef with it. I don't mind Templar being an equal healer. By the way does having heals mean Templar should have the worst cc in the game, while having no mobility. The way things are designed Templars should be the BEST class at standing their ground, and clearly they are not.

I think tank is my biggest issues. What makes the other classes viable tanks also makes them survive in PVP. Sun Shield is all we got and Battle Spirit fixed that.

Templar needs to step outside the class for far to much, meaning it gets very little utility for both stam and magicka builds.

Essiaga · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

Abeille wrote: »

I think he genuinely doesn't get it and thinks the changes are good and that templars are in a good position right now.

I could hope that he would open his mind to the feedback since it doesn't seem like he actually plays a templar to see for himself, but it would be foolish of me. After all, people have been posting feedback on the issues for quite a while and he still refuses to acknowledge them.

I think ZOS believes that work on Bugged/broken skills like Toppling Charge are as good as the rework put into NB (in previous patch), DK and Sorc pets. Yet the Templar is no better off.

This team just buffs DPS and calls it all good.

blackcom90 · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

I had a sudden realization when he said shielder dk and "my house"...
They added cp that are paragons points, they added trove scamps that are the goblin from diablo and now?
Now, healing wise, they want to have a buffer class, an hotter class, a pet class that support aaaand a heavy healing and resource dispenser that doesn't move class.

Basically @Wrobel it's copying bethesda on the healer structure!
The dk will be the priest with its buffs and shields, the nb a druid with more dmg, the sorc the hunter that pop out the pet to do wonders and the templar?
The templar will be the pally!
It will stand still while taking damage and providing aoe healing, st healing and resources!

So mister W it's only a copycat that can not even copy well... because in this game if you stay still you die.

Bossdonut · February 2016

A++... Bright Future!! Wrobel gets the needs of the Templar Class in both PVP and PVE.

Praise the sun.

Shield.

Cinbri · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

For those who didn't re-roll or quit yet - Wrobel made clear that you can do it now, coz stay inside 5m focus and die is only things templar supposed to do in pvp.

Xexpo · February 2016

D ... Eh . I think PVE-wise maybe but PVP-wise the Templar needs work that obviously isn't coming anytime soon.

Jura23 · February 2016

A++... Bright Future!! Wrobel gets the needs of the Templar Class in both PVP and PVE.

You come to my house, it's gonna be bad your ya

KingYogi415 · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

RIP TEMPLARS

Gigasax · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

I dont want to wait 3 more months to be competetive...

Zinaroth · February 2016

D ... Eh . I think PVE-wise maybe but PVP-wise the Templar needs work that obviously isn't coming anytime soon.

Magicka Templar in PvE is going to be fine in next patch.
Magicka Templar in PvP is going to be okay in next patch.
Stamina Templars in PvE are currently non-existant and will be until update 10 it seems.
Stamina Templars in PvP are currently really bad and will be until update 10 it seems.

Alcast · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

No ETA on changes

Nifty2g · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

listen to your *** community for a change

Murmeltier · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

I looked this Stream because i hoped (again)) that he see the Reaction in the Forums but he seems Resistance to the Players Feedback. As i hear him talking proud of what he do he remembered me to the Film Titanic.

The Engineers: "Captain, those Icebergs are dangerous, we tested it for over a Year, please drive around them."

Captain Wrobel: "Ah i listen to you, i hear you and i caaaaare and now more Speed please, i want to drive through this Icebergs".

The Engineers: "Captain, do you listen to us? It wouldnt working, the Ship will be sinking".

Captain Wrobel: "Yes, i hear you and i care but i dont think this Ship will be in Danger, its my Baby i know that. My QA Team tested some Icecubes in their Drink too and answered via Stream "Captain Wrobel: Your Ship is save, all fine and cool, none of the Icecubes in our Glass have damaged your Ship".

QA Team: "Captain, we forgot to thank you and Big Brother for Sponsoring our Holidays at Hawaii, we can test here Icecubes too because we are Pros and the People supports us. We got some awesome Numbers, fantastic Ideas...awesome, really fantastic....awesome."

The Engineers: "Shut up and go out the Channel, we have important Informations about the Future of this Ship, serious Informations and no Icecube Stories".

The Engineers: "Captain, we have hit the first small Icebergs and they damaged the Ship seriously, please listen to the Feedback from the experienced Engineers. The QA Team hunts Mermaid at Hawai and is the whole Tim drunk."

QA Team: "How can ou speak to us like this, we are famous and we have Likes & Followers, so we are Pros. You are only damn Engineers, only experienced ähm.......Engineers...ähm. We are awesome, do some fantastic Numbers and the Lemings love and follow us".

Lemmings: "Obey the Masters, the Masters are always right"

Captain Wrobel: "QA Team, whats wrong here?"

QA Team: "Nothing, all fiiiine. Only some experienced Engineers...ähm. "hickss" ..Casuals. They dont Stream, so dont listen to them "hickss".

Captain Wrobel: "Fine, do your work and Hawaii is yours.But dont touch the Mermaids".

QA Team: "All right Siiiire "burp"....

Mermaid: "Stop touching us...!!!"

QA Team: "We dont touch "hickss"...you...

Mermaid: "Slap" take this you drunken Troll.

QA Team: "How can you say no, we have "hickss" Followersch and Liksch ...we are famous, we are awschome and fantaschtic..."burp".

The Engineers: "Captain, Icebergs are sighted again, larger ones".

Capatin Wrobel: "QA Team, how goes the Testing, my Engineers saying that larger Icebergs heading to us?"

QA Team: "Wäll Captaiiin "hickss"...we do schome seriou.."burp" schome serious tästing in our Glasses ät Hawaii, nothing häppened. We gät aweschome Numbers, fantästic".

The Engineers: "Capatain...first hits incoming we.."crashbäm".....do you hear that?....."kaboom"....first holes in the FOTM Structures.......we..."crashzoing".

Captain Wrobel: "Dont Panic, our QA Team said...."

The Engineers: *yelling* "Hull Breach...Water incooooming....."

Captain Wrobel:" ....its all fine, they tested...."

QA Team: "Yäsch...we täschted...all fein "hickss"....

The Engineers: *screaming* "Caaaptain....first of the Crewman are lost......and more Icebergs are incoming "crashbääääm"....

Capatain Wrobel: "I hear you but i need more Feedback....wait, i call the QA Team..."telephonesound playing please hold the line"

QA Team: "Water in the Ship??? Not possible becausch we aaaare famousch....some Crewman loscht?....Caschuals hrhr, let them....lischten to usch becausch we are famousch änt fantasc....."

Captain Wrobel: "QA Team, is that Water on my Shoes?"

QA Team: ".....truscht us, we work on thisch too......come here Mermaid...."

The Lemmings: "Yes they do, because they are aweeeesome, fantastic...listen to the Masters....serve them, obeeeey...."

Captain Wrobel: "The Water is now at my Knees...QA Team???!!!"

QA Team:"......*burp*...."

Captain Wrobel:.....*Blubb*....

The Lemmings:........*silencio*.....

The Engineers: "Swim fellow Engineers, dont give up....swim away from this sinking Ghostship........look there, a new giant Ship at the Horizon, swim there to save your lives."

Newspaper: "The unsinkable Titanic sunk, read more on Page 2"

Big Brother: Well, we are sorry about this but know we listen and build a new Ship and we hope you will trust us again because we have some really awesome & fantastic Ideas.We are proud to present "Titanic II"!!! Because we can.....

The Engineers on the big Ship that saves them: "Did you see this awakening Weaponthing.....and Housing....Warelephants...cool looking Designs and this fantastic Graphics.....and more....awwwweesome...."

The QA Team on the same Ship: "Aweschome.....*burp*, lätsch Play togethär and and Forget this Accidänt....."hickss"

Mermaid: *Slap* No !!!!!....

The Lemmings: *Obey...Serve...Follow to the new Lands...*

Big Brother: "But we have Apples on the Titanic II....!!!!"......"Soon"

....but no one listen anymore.......

joleda4ub17_ESO · February 2016

D ... Eh . I think PVE-wise maybe but PVP-wise the Templar needs work that obviously isn't coming anytime soon.

Just remove the classes so that people are not stuck with skill lines that suck. Quoting my unoriginal signature created from paraphrasing similar topics since beta....

They should just remove classes altogether. Make it so that passives only apply if a skill line has an ability on the current action bar. A similar setup currently exists for weapon and armor skills since a passive only applies if a corresponding weapon or armor is equipped. Removing classes would allow pvp'ers and pve'ers to have their own build niches without having to shoehorn the current classes into both worlds. Balancing should then be easier since participation rates would tell the developers which skill lines are underpowered. Everyone wins.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »

Just remove the classes so that people are not stuck with skill lines that suck. Quoting my unoriginal signature created from paraphrasing similar topics since beta....

They should just remove classes altogether. Make it so that passives only apply if a skill line has an ability on the current action bar. A similar setup currently exists for weapon and armor skills since a passive only applies if a corresponding weapon or armor is equipped. Removing classes would allow pvp'ers and pve'ers to have their own build niches without having to shoehorn the current classes into both worlds. Balancing should then be easier since participation rates would tell the developers which skill lines are underpowered. Everyone wins.

I think that's going too far.
What about PvE effects and PvP effects for the same skills. This way changes are specific to circumstance

Idinuse · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

Mea culpa.

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2016

A++... Bright Future!! Wrobel gets the needs of the Templar Class in both PVP and PVE.

I'm glad templars are going away from "all templars must heal" and "only templars can heal".

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm glad templars are going away from "all templars must heal" and "only templars can heal".

I think you misunderstand. Read the PTS forum on Templars

It's going to Templars can't heal, or DPS or Tank
Each class excel at a role. But not anymore

Templar-?
NB-DPS Stam
Sorc - dps mag
DK-tank

RDMyers65b14_ESO · February 2016

Here's the problem. They got the idea by watching streamers. Streamers are not the average player. They are professional gamers!!! Most of the players are being penalized with these changes. The needs of the many should be NEVER compromised by the needs of the few. As I will be able to get more healing out of my V2 Sorc, I am likely shelving my V16 templars until BoL is fixed... Which may never happen.

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2016

A++... Bright Future!! Wrobel gets the needs of the Templar Class in both PVP and PVE.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm glad templars are going away from "all templars must heal" and "only templars can heal".

I think you misunderstand. Read the PTS forum on Templars

It's going to Templars can't heal, or DPS or Tank

I know. But what I wrote is the one thing I'm happy about and I have no firm opinion about the rest (so far).
And people should wait before going all nuts : how many of those who criticize have actually tested the new configuration ?
Which is why I voted for the first option.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm glad templars are going away from "all templars must heal" and "only templars can heal".

I think you misunderstand. Read the PTS forum on Templars

It's going to Templars can't heal, or DPS or Tank

I know. But what I wrote is the one thing I'm happy about and I have no firm opinion about the rest (so far).
And people should wait before going all nuts : how many of those who criticize have actually tested the new configuration ?
Which is why I voted for the first option.

Wait for what?
We are playing it on PTS for over a week already. The reactions now are from the confirmation that they "ZOS" like how PTS is regarding the class changes so while other changes may come...the majority of what is on PTS is going live.

Soris · February 2016

D ... Eh . I think PVE-wise maybe but PVP-wise the Templar needs work that obviously isn't coming anytime soon.

Not there yet. Not even close

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2016

A++... Bright Future!! Wrobel gets the needs of the Templar Class in both PVP and PVE.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm glad templars are going away from "all templars must heal" and "only templars can heal".

I think you misunderstand. Read the PTS forum on Templars

It's going to Templars can't heal, or DPS or Tank

I know. But what I wrote is the one thing I'm happy about and I have no firm opinion about the rest (so far).
And people should wait before going all nuts : how many of those who criticize have actually tested the new configuration ?
Which is why I voted for the first option.

Wait for what?
We are playing it on PTS for over a week already. The reactions now are from the confirmation that they "ZOS" like how PTS is regarding the class changes so while other changes may come...the majority of what is on PTS is going live.

Maybe you have, but I haven't. I've played PTS, sure, but templates are not exactly the same as "our characters" for real comparison. So no, I haven't had a chance to test it yet. Regardless, one week is too short when it comes to adjusting to many interfering changes.
I remember back when 1.6 went live, how vocal I went (together with many others) that my sorc had been destroyed and gimped forever. Until, after a couple of weeks of adjustment, I realized (together with many others) that my sorc had actually been immensely buffed. So now I'm careful and wait and test and adjust before having a firm opinion. For now I truly have no opinion beside the one I mentioned : out with "all templars must heal" and "only templars can heal" (for better or for worse, just out with it).

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