Templar Perception after ESO Live 2-12-2016 ...

Essiaga

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

technohic wrote: »

I've been trying to say; the BOL is no that bad and there are some positive changes as well as pointless ones that are in this patch. Really; its more of what they didn't do like make radiant ward effective, or giving us an escape, or fix/change charge, or make empowering sweep larger radius, or make eclipse better the way they did without making it worse in another, or actually do something with barrage rather than the more popular dark flare morph. That's my problem with it.

This was my issue as well. I don't care if BOL only heals the templar ... but DK and Sorc got some more healing and we didn't get any more of what they have. No more mitigation and no more insta-burst ... And they didn't lose anything either, were Cleansing Ritual is getting fixed, etc.

They did the same thing with Dark Flare last year. It will be nerfed soon, like it was last year. The abilities they did stuff to were crap and they sprinkled sugar on them to cover up the taste. I didn't expect the Templar to be 100% new and improved. I just expected thoughtful modifications to skills to add some utility.

Here's what the should do.
Phase 1- NOW ...
* Solar Barrage - Add Maim ... AOE debuff that will add some survivability while standing your ground verse more mobile classes.

* Rune Focus - provide Evasion ... Gives you a chance to dodge while standing still and seems like an obvious buff.

* Cleansing Ritual - add Berserker while inside ... After all its supposed to be "my house." DK gets Mending on Shields. We get it by standing still with no additional threat. Healing never killed any one.

* Eclipse - remove the one target limitation and apply damage if CC broken.

* Backlash - enemies can not enter stealth while effected.

* Aedric Spear - All abilities in this line deal 25% more damage to damage shields. Would make sense to add it to the Piercing Spears passive.

* Toppling Charge - Replace the skill with Ambush, Crit Rush, or Shield Charge while the skill is reworked and thoroughly tested. The same should have been done for Fiery Grip.

All buffs could be Minor if Majors are to OP. I don't think any of these things are OP or ridiculous and think the rest of the community would only worry about Berserker in Ritual. Before someone says increased damage to Damage Shields is not fair ... Burning light passive doesn't proct on shields (it also has a cool down) and nor does Puncturing Sweeps healing when striking at damage shield. Also PS does 4 attacks, all with a chances to miss. Hardened Ward is also the reason shields are nerfed by Battle Spirit and since ZOS seems to be reluctant to just balance the skill so Templars and DKs can have their shields it only seems fair to allow us to hurt them 25% more then currently.

But instead of giving stealth defense to Backlash Mage Light got buffed. Increased damage to Damage Shields has been added to the CP tree.That's way more game changing. WB with some points in shield breaking? Why not just give it to the class(s) that struggle vs Shields? Besides stam builds have the Shield Breaker armor option. Gear is the worst way to "balance" a game.

Phase 2 - next major update. Fixing clunky animations such as Toppling Charge slow return to the ground, Shards 3 second between cast and land, Dark Flares 1.7 second initial cast decreased to the 1.1 on the tool tip, remove the self root from Solar Barrage.

Phase 3 - following major update. Reworking useless skills into completely new skills. Those who play Templars see work being done to improve the quality of their class. They don't feel ignored. The forums are not filled with Wrobel/ZOS hate posts and people don't turn on the ZOS more and more, because at this point I won't play another ZOS game.

Again, no one wants Templars to be OP in PVP. We just want to feel we can succeed in the limitations we've been put in.

Essiaga

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I'm glad that Eric confirmed that all members of his team play all the classes. Means they have good overview of what's going on

Respectful to you. That does sound good but the thought and mindset he continues to share begs BS!

They may play on ZOS servers but not live servers because when it's apparent that they designed a Templar with an entire tree for healing...but then suggests they are healing too effectively....uhmm what's the point of nerfing the class when it's a concern for PvP not PvE. When has a PvE group complained about having a Templar who can heal effectively ?

Templars by design are healers. NB by design are DPS, Sorcs by design are DPS and DKs by design are tanks.

Yes they are can mix and match but there is no misunderstanding with who excels at what based on class skills and the racial bonuses along with armor sets.

If they play all classes then it has to be with an understanding that they don't play with us.
When ever has a group complained in PvE about Templar heals when they have one? He then gives an example of how an undaunted skill did too much healing...OK so it seems they are only concerned with making things more and more difficult.
Then freaking go back to the base design in closed beta in 2013. Allow CPs to mitigate difficulty cause that's why many were excited about CPs. It's an account wide system that has an option to enhance your effectiveness or just to be left unused.

Perhaps in PvP there are concerns but again since the first nerf on Templar shield in 2014, that was a PvP concern not PvE. If they all play then they should comprehend that it's detrimental to their game to change or apply nerfs due to a PvP situation or a PvE situation or vice versa. The skills just need adjustments in each setting being PvE only or PvP only. You don't penalize everyone cause your design is being used effectively in one instance so you make sweeping changes to both.

That's like adding CP without removing Vr because you messed up when adding VR and don't know how to remove Vr after adding CP so you cap both Vr and CP for over 6 months and move on to something else without fixing the problems you had and the new problems you created ....OH wait. That is what ZOS does.

I prob won't be around to see VR removal at this rate but considering these guys have this solo only stuff and then go live talking about group effects and those are the reasoning for changes....WTH guys....again. Do you actually play the game?

even NBS is getting on the riotwagon xD

Stealth is getting multiple hard slaps right across the face. I personally felt it was in a pretty good place. Cloak needed a slight nerf and not cleansing DOTs is probably it. Cloak did get Protection buff to make up for it though and it sounds like Cloak still cleanses projectiles. Not sure.

blackcom90

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

The main question it's: Why the hell the other classes get redesigned and rebuild on the vision of @Wrobel while the templar it's left out?

Let me explain... it's obvious that he has a design in mind, a crappy one, but at least it's there... all the other classes got rebuild to follow it in this patch and the templar...
well the tamplar was not left out of it, but worst, it saw it's skill nerfed (BECAUSE IT'S A F***ING NERF) and will see them rebuild to cope with this design in (we hope) 3 months from now.

Like having to repaint 4 car in a month for work and, at the end of the month, 3 are done and 1 just got it's old paint removed.

Obviously the 4th car it's now ugly.
Good job @Wrobel ... every other workplace would have fired you for not meeting the target.

Artjuh90

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

blackcom90 wrote: »

The main question it's: Why the hell the other classes get redesigned and rebuild on the vision of @Wrobel while the templar it's left out?

Let me explain... it's obvious that he has a design in mind, a crappy one, but at least it's there... all the other classes got rebuild to follow it in this patch and the templar...
well the tamplar was not left out of it, but worst, it saw it's skill nerfed (BECAUSE IT'S A F***ING NERF) and will see them rebuild to cope with this design in (we hope) 3 months from now.

Like having to repaint 4 car in a month for work and, at the end of the month, 3 are done and 1 just got it's old paint removed.

Obviously the 4th car it's now ugly.
Good job @Wrobel ... every other workplace would have fired you for not meeting the target.

no the 4rth cars is also scratched with keys all over the paintjob. then you get near it

deleted220701-004865

D ... Eh . I think PVE-wise maybe but PVP-wise the Templar needs work that obviously isn't coming anytime soon.

put Channeled Focus down - - check
put Purifying Ritual down - - check

...This is my house! Enter at my own risk.

Artjuh90

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

Tondodino wrote: »

put Channeled Focus down - - check
put Purifying Ritual down - - check

...This is my house! Enter at my own risk.

now come near me so i can jab you

Essiaga

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

Tondodino wrote: »

put Channeled Focus down - - check
put Purifying Ritual down - - check

...This is my house! Enter at my own risk.

Essiaga

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

blackcom90 wrote: »

The main question it's: Why the hell the other classes get redesigned and rebuild on the vision of @Wrobel while the templar it's left out?

Let me explain... it's obvious that he has a design in mind, a crappy one, but at least it's there... all the other classes got rebuild to follow it in this patch and the templar...
well the tamplar was not left out of it, but worst, it saw it's skill nerfed (BECAUSE IT'S A F***ING NERF) and will see them rebuild to cope with this design in (we hope) 3 months from now.

Like having to repaint 4 car in a month for work and, at the end of the month, 3 are done and 1 just got it's old paint removed.

Obviously the 4th car it's now ugly.
Good job @Wrobel ... every other workplace would have fired you for not meeting the target.

Listening to him talk I honestly I don't think he has a plan at all. Otherwise he'd would have stated his intended goal to get past this sour patch that's ALL over the forums. Maybe not in great detail but again he could have been vague and said there's more to come but buffing Sorc (via pets and giving them a burst heal) who already own both PVE and PVP before addressing any of the imbalance in this classes shows where the priority is. It's dungeon DPS and pleasing streamers.

Any Templar streamers want to create video to map out the Templar skill issues so that we might get some attention? Posting here isn't getting us any where. Maybe we could start a month Templar stream called "We Are Also ESO, I Think."

They still have no plan for shield stacking. Did anyone give a crap about cloak prior to IC? No. But Shield stacking and Hardened Ward have been a problem for a long time. They simply don't get it, don't care, or lack the imagination and ability to address the issue. Its ok to nerf DK and Templar shields, but there's not urgency in balance Ward, so much so that they buffed them with a burst heal like BOL while not subtracting from them. But hey, we now we can spend CP to improve damage to shields cause that's class balance.

blackcom90

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

Essiaga wrote: »

blackcom90 wrote: »

The main question it's: Why the hell the other classes get redesigned and rebuild on the vision of @Wrobel while the templar it's left out?

Let me explain... it's obvious that he has a design in mind, a crappy one, but at least it's there... all the other classes got rebuild to follow it in this patch and the templar...
well the tamplar was not left out of it, but worst, it saw it's skill nerfed (BECAUSE IT'S A F***ING NERF) and will see them rebuild to cope with this design in (we hope) 3 months from now.

Like having to repaint 4 car in a month for work and, at the end of the month, 3 are done and 1 just got it's old paint removed.

Obviously the 4th car it's now ugly.
Good job @Wrobel ... every other workplace would have fired you for not meeting the target.

Listening to him talk I honestly I don't think he has a plan at all. Otherwise he'd would have stated his intended goal to get past this sour patch that's ALL over the forums. Maybe not in great detail but again he could have been vague and said there's more to come but buffing Sorc (via pets and giving them a burst heal) who already own both PVE and PVP before addressing any of the imbalance in this classes shows where the priority is. It's dungeon DPS and pleasing streamers.

Any Templar streamers want to create video to map out the Templar skill issues so that we might get some attention? Posting here isn't getting us any where. Maybe we could start a month Templar stream called "We Are Also ESO, I Think."

They still have no plan for shield stacking. Did anyone give a crap about cloak prior to IC? No. But Shield stacking and Hardened Ward have been a problem for a long time. They simply don't get it, don't care, or lack the imagination and ability to address the issue. Its ok to nerf DK and Templar shields, but there's not urgency in balance Ward, so much so that they buffed them with a burst heal like BOL while not subtracting from them. But hey, we now we can spend CP to improve damage to shields cause that's class balance.

You are right. I should have said that he has a vision or an idea of an "housekeeping" Templar more than a plan to reach it.

This is what make me go crazy. Obviously the other classes got the revamp needed to reach @Wrobel idea... Instead the Templar was just scraped off of it's identity and left there to die.
Like rebuilding an house, but he tore it down before aving a project and, we hope, in 3 months we will have a new house. For now we have to live under a bridge.

I find this disrespectful and really unprofessional... Not to say that he was pretty much arrogant in ignoring the feedbacks.

For me he want to show off how he is better than his predecessors, but he clearly it's not whort the job.

Ashtaris

I didn't vote because I didn't see the option of "I'm going to wait and see what happens". I'm still going to heal pug dungeons and try to improve the skills I have and adjust. However, if it comes the time that I don't feel I can be an effective healer, then I'll retire my Templar. I have other V16 characters I can play.

booksmcread

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

Umm, I just put down my purifying ritual so this is my house now and I'd appreciate it if you could take your shoes off when you enter my house. This isn't a pigsty.

Toxic_Hemlock

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

Hers the thing. If a healer is going to be good at his job and not get called out as bad, he needs the tools to be good at his job. By taking away our ability to have a powerful "oh crap" button for those times we are trying to keep our party alive we may as well not bother being a healer.

We already have the worse job IMO, but tanks are right up there too, and as anyone that has watched map chat we are VERY in demand. What is wrong with making us a more wanted class? When you hit us with the nerf bat (again) it makes many players just move on to another class and join the others in the "LFG Healer" chant.

I don't think ZOS gets it, many of us are not just BOL spammers, but we use the tools given us. Give us better tools for our HEALING line and I am sure you will see many less BOL spammers!

blackcom90

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

let's up this post to keep it under the eye of the devs

technohic

D ... Eh . I think PVE-wise maybe but PVP-wise the Templar needs work that obviously isn't coming anytime soon.

blackcom90 wrote: »

let's up this post to keep it under the eye of the devs

Is that the one brown eye?

blackcom90

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

technohic wrote: »

blackcom90 wrote: »

let's up this post to keep it under the eye of the devs

Is that the one brown eye?

yep... the one that just discovered how to lit a fire.XP

TRoclodyte

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

I unsubscribed.

Only reason I'll still play is because I roleplay with friends.
But from now on, I'm not spending another dollar on that game.

I shall log on my templar 5 minutes a day for crafting writs and nostalgia. /sigh

eserras7b16_ESO

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

I feel bad, still many of our skills aren't being used yet ZoS refuses to revamp our class, or make anything about it. The only thing they do is more % damage here, more %shield here. And we're still on the back, this just shows how bad in a spot we were, and how bad we're still. We were the kings of healing atleast, not anymore. PvP might've gotten a bit better, still not good enough, and only for magicka templars yet still to be seen.

Nah this is not going good.

Sallington

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

I just think he's out of touch with how the game ACTUALLY plays.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

I think they should stop putting so much emphasis on streamers and basing the entire game around them. Like someone said earlier those are pro gamers. Why would you base everything off of their play?

Strider_Roshin

A++... Bright Future!! Wrobel gets the needs of the Templar Class in both PVP and PVE.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think they should stop putting so much emphasis on streamers and basing the entire game around them. Like someone said earlier those are pro gamers. Why would you base everything off of their play?

It shows the potential of certain builds, and how certain abilities cab be exploited. Not to mention it's pretty difficult to observe people playing if they're not streaming.

Essiaga

I feel **** on. He either doesn't care, doesn't get it or worse.

Essiaga wrote: »

You heard "stuff" from @Wrobel ... how are you feeling about the hours you put into your Templar(s)?

I think with 80% of the population who voted feeling negitive about the future of the class that maybe ZOS should reach out to the community to discuss it instead of saying they read posts and never responding.