UrQuan wrote: »

Majic wrote: »

How in the world could Blizzard have banned so many accounts at once?

They must have used a bot.

Yes. Unfortunately, as a result all of Blizzard was then accidentally banned for botting. In 6 months time they'll be able to appeal their ban to themselves. It remains unclear if they will reject their appeal or not.

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Haqikah wrote: »

I did not know there was a bot problem in TESO... If there is, I somehow have not seen a bot for a long long long time.

There was for a while after Early Access, but they been eliminated for a good while now.

If by eliminated, you mean still around but just not as noticeable, then I agree.

If you know what to look for, there are still bots running around collecting materials. Some of them stand out a lot more than others, but I will guess that most of them are well under the radar of most observers.

lordrichter wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Haqikah wrote: »

I did not know there was a bot problem in TESO... If there is, I somehow have not seen a bot for a long long long time.

There was for a while after Early Access, but they been eliminated for a good while now.

If by eliminated, you mean still around but just not as noticeable, then I agree.

If you know what to look for, there are still bots running around collecting materials. Some of them stand out a lot more than others, but I will guess that most of them are well under the radar of most observers.

Aye true, I still see them periodically, and they are a lot harder to detect, I meant the vast majority of them have been eliminated haha.

Garion wrote: »

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

It seems to me the people defending ZOS are unaware that there is CONSTANT CHEATING and EXPLOITING going on in Cyrodiil every single day. Just so you know....

But you quoted an article about boots without any other explanation. I suggest you edit your op to clarify what you are trying to get across. All we are seeing is a bot complaint.

I've edited my OP to emphasize what I am talking about: NOT specifically botting, but rather CHEATING in general, which is rampant in ESO pvp all day every day, as anyone who's paying attention knows.

Hey there @MisterBigglesworth,

If you feel a player is cheating or using a third party program to gain an advantage, please feel free to use the report functionality within the game. Each of these reports is reviewed by a specialized team and actioned if necessary.

@ZOS_GaryA If that's the case then can you please explain why no action was taken against the individual discussed in this thread? http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157757/thornblade-eu-right-now/p1

For clarity, we don't discuss ToS investigations or the actions that are taken against a player's account, so we would not be able to reveal details on this specific investigation. Again, if you would like to report a player, the best way to do it is in-game with the report tool. If you feel you have run into an exploit, please either report the player in game, submit a ticket to customer support, or PM a forum administrator with as much information as you possibly can. We really do appreciate your concerns, and thank you for bringing stuff like this to our attention.

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

It seems to me the people defending ZOS are unaware that there is CONSTANT CHEATING and EXPLOITING going on in Cyrodiil every single day. Just so you know....

But you quoted an article about boots without any other explanation. I suggest you edit your op to clarify what you are trying to get across. All we are seeing is a bot complaint.

I've edited my OP to emphasize what I am talking about: NOT specifically botting, but rather CHEATING in general, which is rampant in ESO pvp all day every day, as anyone who's paying attention knows.

Hey there @MisterBigglesworth,

If you feel a player is cheating or using a third party program to gain an advantage, please feel free to use the report functionality within the game. Each of these reports is reviewed by a specialized team and actioned if necessary.

@ZOS_GaryA If that's the case then can you please explain why no action was taken against the individual discussed in this thread? http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157757/thornblade-eu-right-now/p1

For clarity, we don't discuss ToS investigations or the actions that are taken against a player's account, so we would not be able to reveal details on this specific investigation. Again, if you would like to report a player, the best way to do it is in-game with the report tool. If you feel you have run into an exploit, please either report the player in game, submit a ticket to customer support, or PM a forum administrator with as much information as you possibly can. We really do appreciate your concerns, and thank you for bringing stuff like this to our attention.

any chance to release statistics of administrative action? I've asked as an eso live question before, but letting the community know "we'very warned x players, temp banned y players, assisted z players, close a tickets our of b reported this month" helps show us ZOS's involvement in the community without giving out names or shaming anyone.

Ummm, have you read the article?


"GM chat posted to Imgur, the suspensions will last for six months and affect more than 100,000 accounts."


6 Hour suspension? woooo, that will scare them!!!

Eso still doesn't have client side anti cheat, does it?

HeroOfNone wrote: »

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

It seems to me the people defending ZOS are unaware that there is CONSTANT CHEATING and EXPLOITING going on in Cyrodiil every single day. Just so you know....

But you quoted an article about boots without any other explanation. I suggest you edit your op to clarify what you are trying to get across. All we are seeing is a bot complaint.

I've edited my OP to emphasize what I am talking about: NOT specifically botting, but rather CHEATING in general, which is rampant in ESO pvp all day every day, as anyone who's paying attention knows.

Hey there @MisterBigglesworth,

If you feel a player is cheating or using a third party program to gain an advantage, please feel free to use the report functionality within the game. Each of these reports is reviewed by a specialized team and actioned if necessary.

@ZOS_GaryA If that's the case then can you please explain why no action was taken against the individual discussed in this thread? http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157757/thornblade-eu-right-now/p1

For clarity, we don't discuss ToS investigations or the actions that are taken against a player's account, so we would not be able to reveal details on this specific investigation. Again, if you would like to report a player, the best way to do it is in-game with the report tool. If you feel you have run into an exploit, please either report the player in game, submit a ticket to customer support, or PM a forum administrator with as much information as you possibly can. We really do appreciate your concerns, and thank you for bringing stuff like this to our attention.

any chance to release statistics of administrative action? I've asked as an eso live question before, but letting the community know "we'very warned x players, temp banned y players, assisted z players, close a tickets our of b reported this month" helps show us ZOS's involvement in the community without giving out names or shaming anyone.

Definitely an interesting idea. The statistics aren't something that we have on hand, and I'm not sure this is something we'd publicize (similar to individual notifications), but we can definitely send this feedback along.

GreySix wrote: »

Haqikah wrote: »

I did not know there was a bot problem in TESO... If there is, I somehow have not seen a bot for a long long long time.

There was at first, for a few months. The bots were absolutely everywhere.

But then Zenimax did something, because they all vanished within a relatively short time.

They did a number of somethings all more or less at once actually. It was a combination of different things that made the bot problem essentially go away almost overnight.

I have it on reliable authority that one of the things they did was sacrifice a pure soul (some Redguard apparently) to some Daedric Lord or other as part of a ritual to banish bots to Oblivion.

Some sort of message on character screen, mail or some something that gives warning to players about unintended game mechanics which are underway of fixing and abuse of them could lead to ban.

Not all players read forums and justify their actions that they didn't knew that their action was an exploit!

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Fleshreaper wrote: »

So WHAT exactly are they doing? Why do you feel that they are cheating?

I somehow turned invincible in Cyrodiil the other day - not an UI bug, actually invincible. I relogged after I noticed and it was fixed. I have the nagging suspicion some other players don't and enjoy this bug to the fullest.

I am sure it is exploited to the fullest! I run into players that cant be killed by 12 v14's at once. That's why I do not play PvP anymore. I log in to feed my horses and that's about it.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content and Language]

the point of this post is not just about bots:/ this game is filled with cheating and nothing is done about it.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

The only way to stop cheating is to expose it.

ZOS was warned about the dupe bug in beta. They chose to launch and let thousands of fake items into the economy before they took action.

It wasn't until someone posted a "How To" video on youtube that action was taken.

someone needs to make an Elder Cheats online Youtube video and expose how to do all of these things


then watch how fast it gets fixed. Sunlight is the best of disinfectants.

This right here.

I understand ZOS' policy on naming and shaming, though I don't agree with it 100%. I'm sure if it were free game there would be huge numbers of false accusations. In any case, I think it's a good idea to expose any cheats and exploits you encounter (anonymously, ofc.) on a third-party platform. Security through obscurity is NOT real security.

That said, I have to commend ZOS for their effectiveness with dealing with botters in the first couple of months. At the very beginning you couldn't go anywhere without seeing trains of characters moving as one and killing the same mobs over and over again, or teleporting through the ground to pick up that harvesting node you were about to use. Also, gold sellers are basically non-existent now, whereas in the first few weeks the zone chat was unusable due to gold seller spam.

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

It seems to me the people defending ZOS are unaware that there is CONSTANT CHEATING and EXPLOITING going on in Cyrodiil every single day. Just so you know....

But you quoted an article about boots without any other explanation. I suggest you edit your op to clarify what you are trying to get across. All we are seeing is a bot complaint.

I've edited my OP to emphasize what I am talking about: NOT specifically botting, but rather CHEATING in general, which is rampant in ESO pvp all day every day, as anyone who's paying attention knows.

Hey there @MisterBigglesworth,

If you feel a player is cheating or using a third party program to gain an advantage, please feel free to use the report functionality within the game. Each of these reports is reviewed by a specialized team and actioned if necessary.

You say this, but it hasn't seemed like anybody has been reviewing these reports or actioning anything for half a year now.

Cheaters are reported over and over again, and yet they are still hanging out, still cheating and nothing is done about it.

If your community felt that steps were actually being taken to curb this type of behavior, threads like this probably wouldn't exist.

/shrug

You'd probably need to make a line between cheating via bots/3rd party, versus cheating via exploit.

The Crab Grind was an obvious exploit, spawned adds such as those do not often give XP at all, let alone the same XP as a classic mob.
Yet see how people flocked to grind there, got their vets that way, levelled alts, told and brought friends. Technically, ANYONE WHO DID FUNGAL GROTTO AT ALL was taking advantage of that exploit, even if they just killed the boss and moved on. So they be perma-banned for that, for their cheating? No.
Such things are found on accident, and then in triumph: shared. Normal players finding loopholes.
Their abuse is effectively inevitable, because they are the most efficient.
People KNOW Nirnhorned it bugged. They KNOW it ignores all spell-resist, that it stacks incredibly high. That's why they want it. Should Zenimax therefore ban the vast majority of players at Vet rank, too?
I'm disappointed in those taking advantage of bugged invincibility or invisibility, yet the discovery of that would have started accidental.

Using a 3rd-party programme so automate a rotation, increase node farming, to increase walking/attack speed, and increase or reduce damage as wanted - that is a deliberate, willful act from a player intended specifically to cheat - to manipulate the game in such a way to make their experience easier, and more productive than anyone else's. This is not someone discovering an in-game feature, but one setting out specifically to find artificial aids. No one 'accidentally' uses 3rd-party.
The real cheaters.

And before you assume, no, I don't even PvP (beyond the occasional foray anyway). The typical assumption that anyone would protect an idea is because they are by themselves selfishly taking advantage of it, is often just a convenient way to dismiss an opposing viewpoint.
I don't exploit in PvP. I don't use Nirnhorned. And I do not believe people should be banned if you do.

The priority should be in fixing the exploits promptly where possible, such as with the Crab Grind.