you have got to be freaking kidding me??

bigjeff

My wife and I came from wow, but have played many mmos for years , my wife pretty much plays a healer class , I'm a hybrid healing/dps, .......so I get to the end of the story line and I have to take down the big man, and its a very hard fight , one I've not yet finished and I was saying to the wife how hard it is, she replies then how is she going to do it? being a totally healer class she has no idea how to dps , has never had a interest in being a dps or a tank , we also find out we cannot progress in the game until bol is taken down? So ESO what do the healers and the non combat player's do?
I thought a mmo was about being what ever I want to be, and yet here we have a mmo that you can but you will have to repec and re learn all new skills so you can do what you want your way, I can understand you want everyone to finish the story but what if we cannot??? we just get stuck at rank one and do nothing? we cannot even group up and do it , it seems really freaking silly
my 2 cents
the little guy and his wife

RobShu

I totally understand what you're saying. We should be able to group with a friend on these "solo only" quests, because some of these bosses are waayyy too hard for a single character who isn't a tank in some way. FIX THIS ZENI!!!

Weberda

I took down Molag with my sorc using his healing build. Resto staff - zap, zap, run, heal, repeat. Takes about 10 minutes. And be sure to block the titans and their spell balls with the resto staff.

seneferab16_ESO

I am also primarily a healer and I grinded down that boss with ease. Maybe it's harder for the people who have no heals? I had a lot tougher fights on the quests before Molly, where I died several times. Molly I did in one go, with barely breaking a sweat.

Blocking is your best friend, as is the Fighters Guild ability Circle of Protection.

Zepheric

I agree, although I was able to solo this boss not everyone will be able to. And if you want to group up for any quest in this game..you should be able to. Especially if you are married. I imagine Zenimax will fix this guys, pretty major flaw IMO.

Here are some tips (I beat him as a healer too)

It is going to be a long fight just so you know 10-20 minutes

Stock up on health potions and bind them to your quick slot.

Try and get a summonable pet, shouldn't take long if you are a sorcerer.

(as a templar I have no idea)

Run around and avoid his jumping ability, lay down healing and run through it cause he will be pelting you.

Allow your pet to do its work, turn around and blast him with your staff every few seconds.

Keep running around in circles and healing yourself, blast with the staff, resummon pet.

Use pots when necessary, you should be able to do it!

Good luck.

Khartouche

Pure templar healer build here (resto staff) I took him down no issues. It was a grind, but he couldnt touch me. hell Im betting the healy folks have it easier than those pure dps/tank builds.

steveb16_ESO46

Yea. I'd be happy letting you bring a friend on solo quests. No skin off my nose if people do it the 'easy way so long as they are having fun.

Khartouche

Oh and I was 48 when I did it.

Mephos

wow.. so your wife can hit the left mouse button? actually being ONLY a healer in this game is the worst. in dungeons you normally do dps too as healer .. in certain cases we only did manage to do the dps check because the healer did dps too.

anyway. I understand your point and yes its valid.

so, how do you progress?

first of all.. the fight is EASY for every healing class. hit & run, heal, hit & run .. it works with autohits (left mouse button).

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when in the 2nd phase the adds spawn, just block and heal.. block and heal.. they reflect their spells back and kill themselfs.

I did it with restro staff only (to lazy to change skills only because molag is a meany) and it works quite well. it takes some time, but if you really want to progress in the game you will do it, believe me.

and if it is really your wife and she has absolutly no clue what she has to do (like for example if my mother would play ESO, she has no pc at all) then just do it for her and play that encounter until you can progress.

DMuehlhausen

You can play how you want. That doesn't mean that everything will be faceroll difficulty with any build.

You do get weapon swap as well. For a healer one build should be healing and the other should be dps for leveling questing. Though as people here are saying block is very very important. It's not like other games where it just does a RNG and says BLOCK. You have to actually block in real time.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

He's actually one of the easiest bosses when you realize you can just
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block when the minions all come, and keep your distance when he comes back and just range him

Weberda

I agree with Khartouche. I was level 46 when I did it and I bet the self-heal people have a much easier time than others. My DK did it one try too at L46. I will say that it looked to me Molag was taking some damage from either his body slams or some other source because I didn't think my resto staff was doing that much damage.

Rudal

I have to say, I'm not big fan of Guild Wars 2 but their way of handling your personal story is much better.
It's yours, you are the one who is making all decisions but you still can bring your friends with you if you need help or just company.

ESO didn't do very well in that field...

Moonraker

Mephos wrote: »

SPOILER (phases)

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when in the 2nd phase the adds spawn, just block and heal.. block and heal.. they reflect their spells back and kill themselfs.

I did it with restro staff only (to lazy to change skills only because molag is a meany) and it works quite well. it takes some time, but if you really want to progress in the game you will do it, believe me.

and if it is really your wife and she has absolutly no clue what she has to do (like for example if my mother would play ESO, she has no pc at all) then just do it for her and play that encounter until you can progress.

Please put the details in the Spoiler tags as it is just open as you posted it.

To use the Spoiler tags it is under the quote tag at the top of the editor window and looks like a backwards P called Spoiler you select text and select all then use that.

Like this

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Mephos

yeah, changed it, thx

Moonraker

bigjeff wrote: »

My wife and I came from wow, but have played many mmos for years , my wife pretty much plays a healer class , I'm a hybrid healing/dps, .......so I get to the end of the story line and I have to take down the big man, and its a very hard fight , one I've not yet finished and I was saying to the wife how hard it is, she replies then how is she going to do it? being a totally healer class she has no idea how to dps , has never had a interest in being a dps or a tank , we also find out we cannot progress in the game until bol is taken down? So ESO what do the healers and the non combat player's do?
I thought a mmo was about being what ever I want to be, and yet here we have a mmo that you can but you will have to repec and re learn all new skills so you can do what you want your way, I can understand you want everyone to finish the story but what if we cannot??? we just get stuck at rank one and do nothing? we cannot even group up and do it , it seems really freaking silly
my 2 cents
the little guy and his wife

Your thread title doesn't help get your message across.

I agree that players should be allowed to play as they wish and that the option to play a currently solo stage with other/s should be the decision of the player if they want to make it less of a challenge. And also encourage group play, even if most are happy to face the challenge as designed.

Reenlister

eh, its a tough fight. But as a healer the Molag Bal should only turn out to be a time investment.
Stay out of the stupid.
As has been said, hit and run. Don't stand still in that one.

Mannimarco will present more of a challenge.
But in that one, its still a matter of hit, stay on it, break his power. Always watch out for the bad things..

netsike

Being a healer doesnt mean,that your only job is to heal,you also have to do dps when you can. Try to dodge in the right moment,switch your abilities to hybrid dps and heal,then you wont have any problem. And tbh,prepare,that on the veteran maps you wont survive with heal. When you must kill 3 enemies like they *** you in 5 sec if you dont cc them,you will die. You need a lot of dps there.

Bromburak

RobShu wrote: »

I totally understand what you're saying. We should be able to group with a friend on these "solo only" quests, because some of these bosses are waayyy too hard for a single character who isn't a tank in some way. FIX THIS ZENI!!!

Strongly disagree, they are not way to hard!

I agree that some players can't handle it because they don't know how to deal with challenges but that is actually an individual player problem and nothing that needs to be fixed in general.

I understand that some players have a hard time, but a game should have some challenges and everyone should learn to deal with it.
The solo challenges are a good way to rethink the used skills and strategies and make use of the high flexibility of a class.

Something you have todo in Vet Content anyway.

Weberda

Molag Bal really taught me the meaning of "double-tap". Now every time I see the color red (in the bank, in the wild, in the Harborage) it's double-tap.

Kaiem

If your wife follows the advice in this thread as a healer she should comfortably do this first time, it will just be a little slow for her. Molag bal is very easy compared to some of the other main story bosses, he just takes a little while because of his health pool.

Cornmuffin

What? I am a healer and Molag Bal was stupid easy. I didn't even bother dodging or anything. I stood in place and lazily dpsed him down. At level 45-50, you have so many skill points that you should easily have skills that are not just healing.

RangerChad

To be honest, pure heal build is probably the easiest (not the fastest) way to kill Molag Bal. I did it and didn't even break a sweat with just auto attack with resto staff and heal myself. Everything will be fine!

pronkg

Yeh healing build is very good for killing bosses.

I'm full dps sorc. But when bosses get too tough I use rest staff

RobShu

So, why can't we use the build we want ("play the way YOU want"), and be able to beat these bosses? It's ridiculous Zeni! Like I said, we should at least be able to group with a friend on the stupid "solo only" quests, so we don't have to get killed and yet still be able to "play the way we want".

Slantasiam

I agree with you guys here...whats a mmo that does not allow you to group.. its lololol...on the down side bot bro and 100 of his identical friends could then go do the quests and would flood places they cant get to(yet)

RobShu

Exactly!! [snip]?!?! Makes me want to un-sub so bad, but I really love this game, other than these few bugs..

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Mablung

It was no secret prior to launch that the development intentionally created the classes with the purpose of not having traditional roles such as dps, heals, and tank.

Each class in game is currently capable of doing each 'role' some suited better than others is all. A little research prior to purchase would have prepared you better for the trials you have faced playing the game.

Not evolving with the game mechanics is not (for once) Zenimax's problem since they clearly stated their intent with class development and how traditional roles were not going to be in this game.

RobShu

Yes, but they specifically said "Play the way you want" when advertising it.. Which means that the class that you choose to play with SHOULD be able to handle everything thrown at them..

whatsername908

Bromburak wrote: »

RobShu wrote: »

I totally understand what you're saying. We should be able to group with a friend on these "solo only" quests, because some of these bosses are waayyy too hard for a single character who isn't a tank in some way. FIX THIS ZENI!!!

Strongly disagree, they are not way to hard!

I agree that some players can't handle it because they don't know how to deal with challenges but that is actually an individual player problem and nothing that needs to be fixed in general.

I understand that some players have a hard time, but a game should have some challenges and everyone should learn to deal with it.
The solo challenges are a good way to rethink the used skills and strategies and make use of the high flexibility of a class.

Something you have todo in Vet Content anyway.

No, they don't have to change anything about the bosses, just afford players the option to bring a friend. That way, people that are seeking the challenge are still able to do it alone and people that are just playing for the fun of it aren't suddenly forced to abandon quests because they can't do it alone.

Some people don't want to be the most powerful person in Tamriel. Many are just here to have fun and you know what's not fun? Being suddenly forced into a single-instance with a boss you can't solo. Some players enjoy extreme challenges and adapting, but you know what's an equally valid method for dealing with a boss you can't handle? Asking for help. Grouping up.

Now, I'm not attacking you--your post just happened to be an excellent jumping-off point. The players making the same argument you're presenting have to understand that it is not every player's goal to get to vet content; they just want to experience the game. By having these choke-points--these DPS/survivability checks--the creators are essentially saying "if you don't play this way, you're doing it wrong and can't continue." For a game that so proudly touts this "play however you wish" mantra, it sure seems to be flipping the bird to anyone not interested in min/maxing.

Okay, /speech. Don't nerf bosses, but I would like the option to ask for help sometimes. Lyris gets to bring all her useless friends into Coldharbour for a nice tour and I can't even bring help? For everyone's benefit, questing alone should be optional.

pecheckler

I beat him using only biting jabs, honor the dead, unstoppable, attacking and blocking. It was simple.