Why are we getting VR14 undaunted sets with VR16 characters?

MissBizz · March 2016

My search-fu is lacking as I'm positive this has already been mentioned, but I can't find an actual answer anywhere.

Thieves Guild released and suddenly we saw the (old) undaunted "hybrid" sets make a come-back in the chests. Sets such as undaunted bastion and such. Well, when we used to get them.. max level was VR14. In the move to VR16 (I think is when) we quit receiving these. Now we are getting them again - as VR14 gear even on VR16 characters.

Was it intended to bring these sets back?
If so, was it intended they only scale to VR14? Even though everything coming from those chests should scale to character.

Has anyone seen an actual answer to those questions?

[EDIT] I asked in the recent ESO live in chat and they answered, although it was a bit short answer as obviously they didn't have time to prepare an answer since it was pulled from chat.

Rich said it was intended these sets are dropping as VR14 for VR16 characters.

I just want to say thank you to Gina/Rich for seeing and answering my question. Even if it's an answer I don't like, I'm at least glad to know now. Thank you.

Brightxdawn · March 2016

No ETA

idk · March 2016

Best question of the day! Low threshold for achieving this.

My answer, just another example of the lack of good planning and thinking things through.

Lightninvash · March 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

My search-fu is lacking as I'm positive this has already been mentioned, but I can't find an actual answer anywhere.

Thieves Guild released and suddenly we saw the (old) undaunted "hybrid" sets make a come-back in the chests. Sets such as undaunted bastion and such. Well, when we used to get them.. max level was VR14. In the move to VR16 (I think is when) we quit receiving these. Now we are getting them again - as VR14 gear even on VR16 characters.

Was it intended to bring these sets back?
If so, was it intended they only scale to VR14? Even though everything coming from those chests should scale to character.

Has anyone seen an actual answer to those questions?

there has been threads about this but no official answer. Not sure if they don't have an answer or added them to the chest drops for more of a grind >.> haha

Xendyn · March 2016

I'd like an answer to this, too. Only thing it seems to accomplish is diluting the loot table more.

Humphie · March 2016

Have you tried setting back your Router?

Working as intented

Troneon · March 2016

NO ETA.

Ruben · March 2016

My guess:

They were meant to drop for VR15/VR16 players, but something went wrong and they didn't. Now they fixed the drop, but the sets are not meant to scale to VR16, so we get them in VR14.

They are meant to be deconstructed. We were getting less than we should have, these "new" items are not replacing any shoulder piece or mercenary book.

A question for anyone who was not VR15+ since the Imperial City DLC: Were you getting the undaunted sets from VR1 to VR14?

MissBizz · March 2016

Ruben wrote: »

My guess:

They were meant to drop for VR15/VR16 players, but something went wrong and they didn't. Now they fixed the drop, but the sets are not meant to scale to VR16, so we get them in VR14.

They are meant to be deconstructed. We were getting less than we should have, these "new" items are not replacing any shoulder piece or mercenary book.

A question for anyone who was not VR15+ since the Imperial City DLC: Were you getting the undaunted sets from VR1 to VR14?

That's a good question. Pretty sure everyone I know saves their keys until VR16 though so I don't have anyone to ask.

It's a bit annoying they drop at VR14. At least give me VR16 trash to decon...

I actually just remembered there's an ESO live this Friday so I'm dropping my questions in the ask us anything thread.

Ourorboros · March 2016

I really thought this was more of a rhetorical thread, not a serious question. To me, this just typifies the lack of QA in this game from the start. The answer is both simple and annoying....it's just how zos rolls. Probably wouldn't still be playing if this wasn't Elder Scrolls. And if Bethesda ever releases the next single player Elder Scroll, this will be in my rearview.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2016

it would be great to not even get an answer but just a...hey this will change Tuesday reply..even if just for PC ffor now....and a sooner than later patch for consoles within 30 days picking this up and all the PC updates we missed after TG launch.

Ra'Shtar · March 2016

I used a key on my vr5 sorc and i got a vr5 piece of the undaunted light set.

MissBizz · March 2016

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I used a key on my vr5 sorc and i got a vr5 piece of the undaunted light set.

Was this since TG though?

Sallington · March 2016

Probably same reason old PvP sets and old trials haven't scaled.

I have no idea what that reason is, but I assume there is one.

Ra'Shtar · March 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I used a key on my vr5 sorc and i got a vr5 piece of the undaunted light set.

Was this since TG though?

Yeah about a week ago.

SlayerTheDragon · March 2016

Its called Hard-Coding, and is frowned down on for reasons such as this.

MystixCZ · March 2016

Yes, this reward is very "usefull" for me :-D

heyewe · March 2016

Same. ( console-X) Disappointing, tbh. Pre-TG I would still get v14-15 'decon--fill' from a gold key.
But since TG, nothing but v14 undaunted unweaver from silver or gold keys.

MissBizz · March 2016

heyewe wrote: »

Same. ( console-X) Disappointing, tbh. Pre-TG I would still get v14-15 'decon--fill' from a gold key.
But since TG, nothing but v14 undaunted unweaver from silver or gold keys.

Yeah it's what getting too constant so I am saving my keys again. Lol

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · March 2016

This is a bug it's reading the chest's max level as VR14 locking rewards to that it's the same in Cyrodiil the none alliance war NPCs are locked at VR14 so they can only drop that and animals just drop Shadowhide.

If they ever get around to increasing the item's level it would fix the mismatch level drops. But ZoS being ZoS is likely to ignore this as always.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

Almost out of beta, OP. Hang in there.

Tomato · March 2016

Why do we only have VR 14 PvP vendors bags and people with millions of AP? Good job ZOS!

MissBizz · March 2016

Crossing my fingers they answer this on tomorrow's ESO live. I'll be watching!

MissBizz · March 2016

So... they answered the question (kind of) on ESO live.

It's intended to get VR14 versions of those sets on our VR16 characters.

Ugh.

Preyfar · March 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

So... they answered the question (kind of) on ESO live.

It's intended to get VR14 versions of those sets on our VR16 characters.

What's the point? I just... why? This seems so counter-intuitive. Some of those sets COULD be of use and to help build diversity. I don't want yet MORE vendor trash. ESO's loot system is unapologetically boring and uninspired. Of the few things we could get (trials and former gear) so much of it doesn't scale and just gets abandoned.

Every single blue VR16 swords in the game is EXACTLY the same as the next blue VR16 sword in the game (sans enchantment). There's just such little diversity in gear in the end game that I don't get why ZOS fights it. There's a ton of sets in the game -- a ton -- but the ability to use 75% of them is moot. I'm happy crafted gear plays such a big role in this game, but... at the same, why am I hunting dropped gear then?

rotaugen454 · March 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

So... they answered the question (kind of) on ESO live.

It's intended to get VR14 versions of those sets on our VR16 characters.

Ugh.

But...they are wanting to upgrade them to VR16, so it may happen eventually...

redspecter23 · March 2016

My list of possible answers.

1. Zos feels these are somehow relevant even though they made every attempt when IC came out to make anything that isn't v16 completely irrelevant.

2. Zos can't count to 16

3. Zos intended for these to scale to v16 but due to #2 above, it became an impossibility

4. Someone on the forums whined that once they outgrew v14 they had no access to these complete crap items that nobody would ever use anyway. Zos listened and brought them back.

5. Seriously, Zos just can't count to 16. So many items and systems don't currently scale to cap. Is it any surprise that this is just another system that doesn't scale to cap. I'd like to refer Zos to my #1 above. In a v14 cap world, v12 and even v10 gear had a potential place on endgame characters. These days if it's not v16, it's so far below the curve it can't be considered.

Taleof2Cities · March 2016

Soon.™

Preyfar · March 2016

redspecter23 wrote: »

My list of possible answers.

1. Zos feels these are somehow relevant even though they made every attempt when IC came out to make anything that isn't v16 completely irrelevant.

2. Zos can't count to 16

3. Zos intended for these to scale to v16 but due to #2 above, it became an impossibility

4. Someone on the forums whined that once they outgrew v14 they had no access to these complete crap items that nobody would ever use anyway. Zos listened and brought them back.

5. Seriously, Zos just can't count to 16. So many items and systems don't currently scale to cap. Is it any surprise that this is just another system that doesn't scale to cap. I'd like to refer Zos to my #1 above. In a v14 cap world, v12 and even v10 gear had a potential place on endgame characters. These days if it's not v16, it's so far below the curve it can't be considered.

I imagine the Undaunted gear not dropping from boxes in VR15/16 was a bug, so they fixed the bug and they dropped. I just don't get why they don't scale upwards. Sometimes I get the feeling the dev back end is far, far more complex than it needs to be so simply adding a new item to the game has to be hard coded, and can't be easily implemented through their dev tools.

Ashtaris · March 2016

I'm glad you brought it up MissBizz because I was wondering the same. At least this time I don't get tagged as a habitual whiner since I didn't start the thread, not that I'm saying you are mind you

Actually the undaunted pieces were pretty worthless when they were introduced, and now they are even moreso. I would just rather have an extra purple piece in the gold chest than any of the Undaunted junk, which usually goes straight to the deconstruction table. I was actually getting better loot from the chests before the TG update than we are getting now.

MissBizz · March 2016

Ashtaris wrote: »

I'm glad you brought it up MissBizz because I was wondering the same. At least this time I don't get tagged as a habitual whiner since I didn't start the thread, not that I'm saying you are mind you Actually the undaunted pieces were pretty worthless when they were introduced, and now they are even moreso. I would just rather have an extra purple piece in the gold chest than any of the Undaunted junk, which usually goes straight to the deconstruction table. I was actually getting better loot from the chests before the TG update than we are getting now.

Haha yeah @Ashtaris I didn't want to come across as whiney, but it definitely bothered me. Seeing the sets back wouldn't have bothered me so much if they didn't make it feel more "junky" like you mention. I also feel that what I get from the chests are much worse since the thieves guild, so I decided to ask. Had they been VR16 I wouldn't have complained, as at least it's something I can deconstruct for crafting materials for my character.