ALL Reflects Costing Resources TESTING and VIDEO

Glory

IMPORTANT LEARNING TIME

@Lord_Hev and @themdogesbite posted two threads (here and here) about snipe costing resources, so I wanted to test this out to see exactly for myself what is going on. Thus, I got a few friends to come help me test various skills against both Wings and Defensive Posture. Below is video proof/testing followed by summaries for those who just want to read:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly9JrUUwJac

Written Summary:

• Basically, all skills that can be reflected (ranged) by Wings/Defensive will cost the resource that the attacker used. For example, a reflected poison injection costs stamina, a reflected crystal fragments costs magicka. It appears that it is the REFLECTER's character stats that affect the cost (thus, stamina skills reflected by a magicka user have little cost reduction and thus drain a lot of stamina).
• The skills that I definitively tested and shown above are Poison Injection, Magnum Shot, Flying Blade, Silver Shards, Stamina Javelin, Crystal Fragments, Dark Flare, Sun Fire, and Overload. I also tested offscreen snipe which also drains stamina to reflect. Note that I did not show all skills in the video with both defensive posture and Wings, but if a skill is reflected by these it will drain the respective resource.
• Overload drains ultimate, and a lot of it.
• AoE skills do not appear to drain any resources, as they are not reflected. I tested this using Bombard and Caltrops, neither of which drained stamina.
• Entropy can't even be reflected. Thus, it does not cost magicka to reflect I guess.
• Skills that are single target ranged but have an AoE effect (e.g. Dark Flare) reflect the damage of the skill but not the AoE component (reflects the damage but the reflecter is still debuffed). This is how it has always been I believe.
• Melee skills, and DoT procs cannot be reflected, as expected.
• I did not test Eclipse nor Ball of Lightning, these would be interesting to look into.
• EDIT: Since light/heavy attacks cost no resources, they do not cost resources to reflect.

Thank you for watching/reading. @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom or @Wrobel would love to hear back from you.

TL;DR If you can reflect a skill, it will calculate the amount it would cost you to cast that reflected skill and take the respective resource from it. This bug has been seen before, and will hopefully be fixed soon.

Lord_Hev

Wow.... just wow.... I can't even.



Well, I might as well,


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blabafat

I don't see the problem

Working as intended if ya ask me

HoloYoitsu

QAM, I think you missed @ZOS_Janitor.

Adding this to my list.

Wollust

Holy sheeeet ZoS why ain't we getting a massive hotfix like overload back then.

Glory

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

QAM, I think you missed @ZOS_Janitor.

Adding this to my list.

Thank you

themdogesbite

Strange, CF did not drain any resources for me when i tested it..

danno8

As I recall this used to happen several patches back and was fixed.

I am amazed as ZoS's ability to re-introduce old bugs so often. How do you even do that?

Synozeer

Probably new contracted programmers each time who have to relearn everything, thus repeating many of the same mistakes.

HoloYoitsu

danno8 wrote: »

As I recall this used to happen several patches back and was fixed.

I am amazed as ZoS's ability to re-introduce old bugs so often. How do you even do that?

#GoldenOldies

Dermestes

I was using reflect in PvP and eventually removed it from my bar.....it sucks at the moment and kills you quickly.

Glory

themdogesbite wrote: »

Strange, CF did not drain any resources for me when i tested it..

I almost didn't notice it until I saw Sun Fire cast multiple times. Frags apparently costs little enough on a magicka build that the regen hides it almost. I would love for others to confirm what I've found!

Mysteri0n

@Zos_Receptionist "Thanking you for calling Zenimax online,please hold Your expected wait time is 3 to 9 Months"

strikeback1247

Everyone was saying that the old patches were better and that we should roll back right? Well zos gave us some good ol' nostalgia in the form of these good ol' bugs.

HoloYoitsu

themdogesbite wrote: »

Strange, CF did not drain any resources for me when i tested it..

My guess is it was a procced Frag, so it would cost around 800 if you're on a magicka build, you wouldn't even notice.

RAGUNAnoOne

oh no is this going to be on console because we have to wait months for fixes...

zyk

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

oh no is this going to be on console because we have to wait months for fixes...

ZOS doesn't launch on PC first because we're preferred customers. ZOS launches on PC first so console users get fewer bugs. We're essentially the QA team for the console versions.

So you'll probably be fine.

Etaniel

Yup, any bug that makes its way into the game is there to stay. Doesn't matter if they fix it, they always come back a few months later. Screw this company

vortexman11

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Wow.... just wow.... I can't even.



Well, I might as well,


@ZOS_AndyC @ZOS_Abdu @ZOS_AidanF @ZOS_AJ @ZOS_AjanJ @ZOS_BPerry @ZOS_BasileA @ZOS_BillMueller @ZOS_BobE @ZOS_BoydBeasley @ZOS_ChesterN @ZOS_CaitlinR @ZOS_CatK @ZOS_CharlieH @ZOS_Dan @ZOS_DanDunham @ZOS_DavidGee @ZOS_DavidH @ZOS_DavidP @ZOS_EdLynch @ZOS_EmilyM @ZOS_Emma @ZOS_EugeneB @ZOS_EveP @ZOS_FelixP @ZOS_Finn @ZOS_GabrielleA @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_Gideon @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Heather @ZOS_HeatherB @ZOS_HugoP @ZOS_JoBurba @ZOS_JamesO @ZOS_JanS @ZOS_JaredR @ZOS_JasonB @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_KaleyR @ZOS_Karli @ZOS_Katarina @ZOS_Kelly @ZOS_LenaicR @ZOS_LeroyW @ZOS_LodieA @ZOS_LonnyL @ZOS_LucasA @ZOS_MaxG @ZOS_MaggieS @ZOS_NickKonkle @ZOS_NinaM @ZOS_Olivier @ZOS_PaulSage @ZOS_QuinnC @ZOS_RobertCordero @ZOS_RebeccaE @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_ShannonM @ZOS_ThaliaH @ZOS_ThomasK @ZOS_UlyssesW @ZOS_VaughanP

Quoted just for the lols
Please continue the chain.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

I give up, how is this even possible.

Jaybe_Mawfaka

PLS ANYBODY HALP

Unslotted wings day ago cause of this ridiculous new level of broken bs.

Jaybe_Mawfaka

Seriously, this is not even funny anymore

HoloYoitsu

I see a new dueling build: Clever Alchimest + Fasallas.

I will keep Shuffle up and fight DKs by spamming Overload at them. They can choose to reflect them and lose all their ult (no Battle Roar for you!), half the reflected Overloads will miss me anyway with bugged Shuffle. Or, if they want ult, then they get to eat my kamehamehas to the face. Oh and the whole time they'll be 50% heal debuffed, unless they want to stop dpsing me. Hell, I'll throw in Reverbs and make it 65% debuff cuz why not? Alchemist proc will make up for what I lose running Fasallas anyway.

AddictionX

wow... i thought there was something going on.

frozywozy

welcome in the video game industry. the only industry in the world with no bounderies, laws or anything to restrict game designers to adapt to a certain quality level of programming.

Dan_Fazzyub17_ESO

HOW DO YOU PEOPLE AT ZOS MESS THIS UP?

This honestly seems like too complicated a screw up for you guys though.

In any case, you're all bad and should feel bad.

DisgracefulMind

-___- zos please...

Jhunn

/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm/facepalm

Wollust

It makes me even more sad and pissed that we don't get any response regarding his matter.. This isn't some random unimportant bug, we are talking about one of the mainskills of the DK class @ZOS_GinaBruno

RoamingRiverElk

Thank you for testing these things.

...and what was it about caltrops also draining stamina when you walk on them with wings up?...

Lava_Croft

Stop crying guys, they can't help it that they didn't notice it on their magical internal testing environment.