Fix the Maelstrom Baron Polymorph! Low attention to detail for premium content is becoming a trend:(

Parrotbrain

This whole topic, in all seriousness, is making a mountain out of a molesheap...

Furor

If you don't like the polymorph don't use it?
There are several more pressing matters that I would rather see the developers spending their time on...

The person who yells the loudest doesn't necessarily have the biggest problems...

Teiji

Eiagra wrote: »

I'm a little confused as to what the original poster's concern is. Are they in support of a gender-locked costume, because Dremora do not have a gender, and instead take on a mimicry of mortal gender? Or are they upset that a costume of a creature that does not have a gender actually has a gender?

Is it that a player wants their female character to appear female when polymorphed? Though, to be fair, wouldn't "boob armor" not only be more of a pain to craft, but more likely to result in the wearer's demise?

A more fruitful question -- in lieu of demands -- to direct at the devteam might be this: WHY is the Xivkyn polymorph apparently gender-locked? Is there a lore reason for this, or did the development cycle just not support the creation of a second mesh? Do polymorphs function in such a way with the current game engine that it is impossible to differentiate gender -- for example, the same limitations that prevent a player from having both a Skin and a Costume on simultaneously?

TL;DR: Which is responsible for this complaint: Lore, Lack of Time, or Game Limitations?

Xivkyn polymorph has two skins. One for male and one for female.

The first image shows the Xivkyn Augur polymorph worn by a male character whereas the second shows a female character wearing it.



Maelstrom Baron Polymorph does not; I'd like to know if this is a bug or intentionally lacking a feature by design.

Furor wrote: »

If you don't like the polymorph don't use it?
There are several more pressing matters that I would rather see the developers spending their time on...

The person who yells the loudest doesn't necessarily have the biggest problems.

Development team isn't one person and development team do not have a list with one item on, there are many issues they are aware of and many they may be unaware of. It's helpful for the community to help make the game a better place by bringing attention to issues such as bugs, exploits and more.

Fat-Larry-Makes-All

CavalierPrime wrote: »

OP raised the point of being allowed to appear as any gender we want at any time. ESO must mirror our reality which is that trans persons are human beings and deserve a safe space. If OP wants to be a feminine Dremora, nobody should tell her that she cant. OP you are stunning and brave.

But ESO is not reality. Participation is optional, so nobody "deserves" anything in my opinion. You pays your money and you takes your choice.

OT: I can see where OP is coming from, and I could sympathise. It's just that he or she is going at it so aggressively that I don't really feel inclined to show much support.

Eiagra

@Teiji - Are these two separate polymorphs, or are they reading the character's gender and applying one as appropriate? I do not have these polymorphs, so cannot see for myself.

apostate9

CavalierPrime wrote: »

OP raised the point of being allowed to appear as any gender we want at any time. ESO must mirror our reality which is that trans persons are human beings and deserve a safe space. If OP wants to be a feminine Dremora, nobody should tell her that she cant. OP you are stunning and brave.

Absolutley true. Reality is created by consensus, namely the consensus that the OP and her Facebook friends reached after attending a liberal arts school in Oregon. That fact that ZOS didn't join her friends list to find out what reality is, reflects poorly on their company. Any respectable software firm should publicly acknowledge that gender, like safe is an English word meaning "whatever we want it too", and they should be sensitive to possible triggers inherent in microagressions such as graphical glitches, and the devestating effect these bugs could have on her fragile psyche.

Alucardo

Jesus, I'd be happy just to have one Xivkyn polymorph. Perhaps I'll make use of the infinite stamina glitch and go quickly complete the arena before they fix it.

Teiji

Eiagra wrote: »

Are these two separate polymorphs, or are they reading the character's gender and applying one as appropriate? I do not have these polymorphs, so cannot see for myself.

My apologies allow me to clarify; the two screenshots illustrate the Xivkyn Augur polymorph; this is a light armor Xivkyn polymorph obtained through Imperial City DLC, the appearance corresponds to the respective gender of the character wearing the item, the first image shows it being worn by a male and the second a female.

Furor

"Maelstrom Baron Polymorph"
This is definitely by design. You are given an item to look like the "Baron" NOT an item to look like a "daedra".

Why would you get a female costume of a male person? That doesn't make sense logically...

Eiagra

@Teiji - Okay, if that polymorph is reading gender and applying what is appropriate, then it isn't a game engine limitation. That leaves the possibilities of "There's a lore-based reason," "There wasn't enough time to implement it," and "Oops, that's a bug."

I maintain that a polite inquiry, over a heated demand, may be a more diplomatic approach as to discovering why this situation has developed, though.

CavalierPrime

apostate9 wrote: »

Absolutley true. Reality is created by consensus, namely the consensus that the OP and her Facebook friends reached after attending a liberal arts school in Oregon. That fact that ZOS didn't join her friends list to find out what reality is, reflects poorly on their company. Any respectable software firm should publicly acknowledge that gender is an English word meaning "whatever we want", and should be sensitive to possible triggers inherent in microagressions such as graphical glitches, and the devestating effect these bugs could have on her fragile psyche.

Xir is absolutely right. Id love for xe to attend my Redguard Lives Matter march in south-central Sentinel tonight.

apostate9

CavalierPrime wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

Absolutley true. Reality is created by consensus, namely the consensus that the OP and her Facebook friends reached after attending a liberal arts school in Oregon. That fact that ZOS didn't join her friends list to find out what reality is, reflects poorly on their company. Any respectable software firm should publicly acknowledge that gender is an English word meaning "whatever we want", and should be sensitive to possible triggers inherent in microagressions such as graphical glitches, and the devestating effect these bugs could have on her fragile psyche.

Xir is absolutely right. Id love for xe to attend my Redguard Lives Matter march in south-central Sentinel tonight.

That sounds like a great opportunity to raise awareness of the all-pervasive subliminal racism that is like, literally EVERYWHERE in the DC, and might be the first such event in the herstory of Tamriel.

I'll be there, naked and covered in body paint that reflects my inner truth, so that maybe people can see past my horrible body, my horrible skin color, my horrible economic status and the disgusting genitalia I was cursed with at birth.

Then, when the genderless dremora polymorph finally (and paradoxically) has the right gender, the healing of our misogynistic, right-brained, patriarcal culture can begin.

Teiji

Furor wrote: »

"Maelstrom Baron Polymorph"
This is definitely by design. You are given an item to look like the "Baron" NOT an item to look like a "daedra".

Why would you get a female costume of a male person? That doesn't make sense logically.

Emperor costume was only named Emperor costume for a very long time; this didn't make sense as male or female characters could become Emperor and Empress respectively.

Boethiah is a Daedric Prince, Boethiah has appeared resembling male and female; yet is always referred to as a Daedric Prince, never a Daedric Princess; Maelstrom Baron has nothing to do with gender locking a polymorph which is part of premium DLC.

Meridia is a Daedric Prince too, not a Princess too. For spoiler reasons I wont go to far into this but Skyrim for example, she has the voice of a female, yet is still a Prince.

Teiji

How many 6 month subscriptions and Crown packs do I have to buy to get an official ZoS response on this?

Sincere and polite question, I'm willing to pay a for-profit business for an answer, I wont even waste the time of your support staff by submitting a ticket, like if we want to find out that off-balance causes heavy attacks to consume the debuff for 50% more damage we have to go through three to more support tickets just to get a response.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Many thanks and have a pleasant December everyone.

DRXHarbinger

Not a bug or limitation. You got the Baron Polymorph. Not female Baron exist worldwide. Xivkyn is a race as is dremora. Baron is a male and always has been. It's his character who doesn't imo appear genderless.

End of. Male npc lookalike is all you were promised. It's in the title.

DRXHarbinger

Seducer outfit iirc is an all female outfit isn't it?

Teiji

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Not a bug or limitation. You got the Baron Polymorph. Not female Baron exist worldwide. Xivkyn is a race as is dremora. Baron is a male and always has been. It's his character who doesn't imo appear genderless.

End of. Male npc lookalike is all you were promised. It's in the title.

This conversation has been beaten to death already in this thread, I'm sincerely sorry you didn't notice the conversation you are attempting to initiate has already been had and concluded, I didn't think I needed to link it in post #45.

Also it's hardly irrelevant as you're talking about a costume which was released complete, I'll humor you. The Ashlander costume I linked in page 1 was released to the Crown store with incomplete textures, the purpose of posting that was to show that cosmetic content has been released incomplete in the past already, regardless of how I feel about that, it's up to the consumers to decide if that's okay.

Dark Seducer costume;

Male


Female

Teiji

Is it not possible to go into TESO: TU creation kit and do this following;

• Navigate to NPCs
  
• Categories
  
• Daedra
  
• Dremora
  
• find DremoraFemale.fileextension
  
• Right-click
  
• Click copy
  
• Make sure to repeat this for the VFX files if they're in a different category which only includes voiceovers
  
• Navigate to DLC category
  
• Orsinium
  
• Find Veteran Maelstrom Arena
  
• Navigate to achievements category // or maybe something else?
  
• Maelstrom Arena Conquerer
  
• Update Baron Polymorph reward
  
• ???
  
• Profit
  

Please note, all of this is completely redudant if there's a search-bar for the creation kit database.

IC was cheaper than Orsinium DLC, I paid for my physical collectors edition, I respect Zenimax Online Studios to be a sister company of Bethesda Softworks which is a subsidary of Zenimax Media, as is Zenimax Online Studios.

IC polymorph rewards have a feature which an Orsinium polymorph reward doesn't. IC is cheaper in price than Orsinium but lacks a feature IC DLC has? Why the inconsistencies? I've passionate about TESO and throwing my money at Crowns, subscriptions, the physical CE edition as well as ESO merchandise, but why the inconsistencies? I still can't get over the fact they sold a Crown Store costume with incomplete textures and it was considered okay by them, shows how much pride they have for their image, or maybe it will simply be overlooked for 12 months like the Coat of the Red Mountain set being in Breton style then Ashlander 12 months later?

Nifty2g

The daedric are genderless

Teiji

Nifty2g wrote: »

The daedric are genderless

Regardless, IC polymorphs have a feature which the baron polymorph doesn't.

I was very happy and satisfied with my IC purchase, so many cosmetic rewards and a lot of nice narrative included in the very cheap price tag.

Orsinium? I expected the same level of service, satisfaction and extremely well done DLC, what I get is a polymorph I've wanted since early-access lacking a feature which the IC Xivkyn polymorphs have.

What the hecking heck? Why the sudden change from IC to Orsinium DLC? Do I have to buy Thieves Guild DLC to get a female Dremora polymorph? Is that what it is, is it the marketing department changing things for the 'long term health of the game'? Okay, then why does the Ashlander costume on the Crown store have missing textures?

Hand_Bacon

I went to wal-mart once and felt genuine sympathy for some people I saw.

After reading the OP, I'm getting that feeling again...

Teiji

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

I went to wal-mart once and felt genuine sympathy for some people I saw.

After reading the OP, I'm getting that feeling again...

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Acrolas

The Pumpkin and Scarecrow polymorphs are visually male. I don't care. I don't need branch boobs to convince me there's a female character under there.

Some polymorphs will be gendered. Others will not be. It's not a blanket all-or-none.
Costumes, however, will for the most part distinguish between genders.

Teiji

@Acrolas I don't understand why the Imperial City DLC, which is 2,500 Crowns and its three Xivkyn [Dremora] polymorph cosmetic rewards have the feature of having two skins per polymorph, one is used for male characters and one is used for female characters.

Why does the Maelstrom Baron polymorph from Orsinium DLC, which is 3,000 Crowns only have one skin which is used for both male and female characters, Imperial City Dremora polymorphs had the feature of having two different skins per polymorph, yet Orsinium which costs 500 Crowns more does not, I'm curious as to why.

Acrolas

There are staffs that increase stamina. Not everything has to have a precise logic behind it. It just is. If you use it, great. If you don't use it, great.

Septimus_Magna

Thats the idea of a polymorph, its morphing your appearance to look like the Baron you beat in vMA.

Cinnamon_Spider

I can't even.

Tryxus

Teiji wrote: »

As many of you already know; Dremora do not have a gender.

Now I can't stop thinking about how Uncle Sheo would look like a woman.

Prob would still have a beard then, he/she is crazy like that

Ellendil

Why is it that almost all these whine threads remember me of a spoiled child wich is rolling around on the floor in a Supermarket crying and screaming?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LyhapayOx44

Teiji

Tryxus wrote: »

Teiji wrote: »

As many of you already know; Dremora do not have a gender.

Now I can't stop thinking about how Uncle Sheo would look like a woman.

Prob would still have a beard then, he/she is crazy like that

I'd pay 5,000 Crowns for DLC which showcases this, ZOSE hire this man please.