Fix the Maelstrom Baron Polymorph! Low attention to detail for premium content is becoming a trend:(

Teiji

Hi, I wanted to raise a very important issue which hasn't been proud to the attention of our beloved community.

As many of you already know; Dremora do not have a gender.

Okay, so what do you mean with this Teiji? Could you please provide context?

The Xivkyn polymorph has the characteristics of the character that wears it, if a female wears it it shall appear female with a different skin including horns differing from the male version, the Xivkyn polymorph is a premium item obtained within premium content you access through either a subscription or purchasing the DLC which is Imperial City.

Now then, what is this complete and utter abomination that has ruined my entire time playing this game?



From the above image you'd think I'm playing a male, right?

Wrong.



Zenimax please fix this! I paid for a 180 day subscription, I bought the physical CE edition and subscribed since early-access and I love and respect all of the ZoS team.

All I ever wanted from this game was a Dremora polymorph for my character Jhael. She is my favourite warrior princess, why is this polymorph gender locked? Jhael is absolutely furious after spending much gold and spell power potions in Veteran Bugged-storm Arena only to be rewarded with a gender locked costume. The costume should not be gender locked, it should function the same way the Xivkyn polymorphs function within the 2,500 Crown DLC Imperial City; Orsinium is 3,000 Crown DLC and this polymorph reward from difficult content lacks a feature that Imperial City polymorphs have.

Please fix the costume, this bug is even worse than the stuck in combat Cyrodiil bug. Maelstrom Baron polymorph has absolutely no reason to be only one gender as Dremora are genderless. Please fix, very please.

Scyantific

Really? A *minor at best* visual bug is *worse* than a gameplay bug that's been around since launch?

Parrotbrain

Maybe the polymorph has a bit of a masculine face, but girl parts underneath the clothes. We would never know until anatomically correct models are released for player characters. Therefore, it may just be your perception of the polymorph that is incorrect. Just my penny's worth.

Teiji

Scyantific wrote: »

Really? A *minor at best* visual bug is *worse* than a gameplay bug that's been around since launch?

Correct.

How?

It's very easy to see and identity, you'll notice that bugs are prioritised by impact and most importantly, how visible the bug is, the penetration wasn't fixed for very long because there were so many bugs which were more in-your-face so to speak, so they receive a higher priority due to needing to retain a positive image and reputation as game developers.

In-your-face bugs are always priority #1, sometimes bugs under the bonnet grow to obscene sizes and start to slow down your vehicle, deal with them quick only when they grow to be a huge visible problem in order to manage time effectively on in-your-face bugs.

This must be fixed.

Parrotbrain wrote: »

Maybe the polymorph has a bit of a masculine face, but girl parts underneath the clothes. We would never know until anatomically correct models are released for player characters. Therefore, it may just be your perception of the polymorph that is incorrect. Just my penny's worth.

Female Dremora in the centre;


Baron costume is gender locked to male.

Jura23

You fully deserve this for completing arena before me.

kurioskurion

I'm unsure how this makes players feel unsafe??

When I opened this conversation, I thought I'd read, "Beware, ZEN is tracking your every move, will break into your house, club you with a turkey leg, steal your computer, and leave a bunch of mudcrabs in your living room!!!"

Parrotbrain

All those costumes have clothes on, which doesn't really disprove my point, as a person still cannot technically verify their gender with said clothing on. So it is still a guessing game...

Teiji

kurioskurion wrote: »

I'm unsure how this makes players feel unsafe??

When I opened this conversation, I thought I'd read, "Beware, ZEN is tracking your every move, will break into your house, club you with a turkey leg, steal your computer, and leave a bunch of mudcrabs in your living room!!!"

Game developers have a responsibility to allow us to feel safe if they want us to to maintain their revenue stream.

I'll be honest, I didn't feel safe ever since I saw them release Crown store costumes which were incomplete.

Remember the paid costume for this?


Okay now here are the two costumes lots of people paid for with their hard earned money;



Imagine going to purchase some new shoes and they don't come with the shoe laces. These are digital purchases and the lack of attention to detail makes me feel unsafe.

When did we stop being seen as supporters of Zenimax Online Studios and instead as customers for 'some MMORPG'?

I understand why this game went B2P, I do and I fully support it. But I do not support asking us to purchase items when the employee doing the animations isn't going to pay attention to details, regardless whether they're minor or major it's the principle that we're supporting you and you have members of staff being tardy; this sets a premise of expectation, I expected something similar to the Ashlander costume pack [which is still not fixed] to happen and guess what? It's happened with Orsinium!

I paid for a 180 day subscription and my polymorph which I paid for by buying my subscription hasn't had attention to detail applied.

First the Ashlander costume pack is sold to us with a huge quality discrepancy from a AAA game [clipping is fully understandable, however literally not finishing a costume is a different matter entirely]. Then the Glass motif and now the polymorph reward from completing Veteran Maelstrom Arena?

It's loads of lack of attention to detail on lots of small things which is happening more and more. It has now become a trend.

Parrotbrain wrote: »

All those costumes have clothes on, which doesn't really disprove my point, as a person still cannot technically verify their gender with said clothing on. So it is still a guessing game...

As respectfully and sincerely as I can express through typed communication; this is false and incorrect, Dremora do not have a gender, they may have the features of a gender, such as what we can only assume to be breasts amongst other things, which they have no need for as they do not reproduce like mortals; the female and male skins for Dremora in this game have extremely distinct appearances, it's not up for discussion, the Veteran Maelstrom arena polymorph is gender locked to appear to be male.

Lack of attention to detail and this is not a first and is worrying as this has now become a trend, I've been supporting this project from ZoS since before early-access and this is a new trend.

vamp_emily

O.O

oh my, and i thought i had problems.

Hot fix for the OP.

Ace_of_Destiny

This thread makes me feel unsafe.

kurioskurion

I'm still not sure the OP understands what the word "unsafe" means...



un·safe
adjective
not safe; dangerous.

Scyantific

No no no. Let's get one thing straight: this is NOT a "top-priority, fix this now or the entire sub base will cancel their subs," bug. This is a minor graphical bug that will probably take a minor change in code (or maybe not, who knows what kind of voodoo runs the ESO engine) and will probably be fixed within one or two weekly patches.

Yes, it's annoying. But that's all, just a minor annoyance.

You want to know what's really aggravating? That "in-combat" bug that's been in since launch. Because it affects and disrupts the flow of gameplay.

• You clear a keep/resource in Cyrodiil, and are preparing to move on to the next one. You try to mount up so you can get across the map. Except you can't, because the game still thinks you're in combat. So now you have to waste more time getting there on foot. That gets aggravating really fast.
• You see a crafting node in the world. You also see that it's guarded by a group of mobs. You engage and kill the mobs, and attempt to harvest the node. Except you can't, since the game still thinks you're in combat and won't let you harvest. Cue another person dashing in, out of combat, and harvesting that node that you worked to clear up. Now you've lost out on crafting materials that you needed. Instant aggravation

Solution to your issue: Don't equip the polymorph until it's fixed. Minor annoyance at best.
Solution to the in-combat bug: Wait for Zeni to get off their asses and fix the bug that's been in place for so long. Aggravating since launch.

Korah_Eaglecry

Teiji wrote: »

Hi, I wanted to raise a very important issue which hasn't been proud to the attention of our beloved community.

As many of you already know; Dremora do not have a gender.

Okay, so what do you mean with this Teiji? Could you please provide context?

The Xivkyn polymorph has the characteristics of the character that wears it, if a female wears it it shall appear female with a different skin including horns differing from the male version, the Xivkyn polymorph is a premium item obtained within premium content you access through either a subscription or purchasing the DLC which is Imperial City.

Now then, what is this complete and utter abomination that has ruined my entire time playing this game?



From the above image you'd think I'm playing a male, right?

Wrong.



Zenimax please fix this! I paid for a 180 day subscription, I bought the physical CE edition and subscribed since early-access and I love and respect all of the ZoS team.

All I ever wanted from this game was a Dremora polymorph for my character Jhael. She is my favourite warrior princess, why is this polymorph gender locked? Jhael is absolutely furious after spending much gold and spell power potions in Veteran Bugged-storm Arena only to be rewarded with a gender locked costume.

Please fix the costume, this bug is even worse than the stuck in combat Cyrodiil bug. Maelstrom Baron polymorph has absolutely no reason to be only one gender as Dremora are genderless. Please fix, very please.

Ehhh...Its really not that big of a deal. When ever I use the Pumpkin Head Poly regardless of gender my character takes on the characteristics of a male. Dont believe me? Do a dance in the Pumpkin Head Poly.

Rosveen

Before it's too late for what?

Ace_of_Destiny

Rosveen wrote: »

Before it's too late for what?

To start living on Mars, of course.

CavalierPrime

Lots of politically incorrect people in this thread. The opposite of "comfortable" is "unsafe" and the fact you fail to recognize this has triggered me. Someone call the Southern Poverty Law Center and report these bigots.

Parrotbrain

Parrotbrain wrote: »

All those costumes have clothes on, which doesn't really disprove my point, as a person still cannot technically verify their gender with said clothing on. So it is still a guessing game...

As respectfully and sincerely as I can express through typed communication; this is false and incorrect, Dremora do not have a gender, they may have the features of a gender, such as what we can only assume to be breasts amongst other things, which they have no need for as they do not reproduce like mortals; the female and male skins for Dremora in this game have extremely distinct appearances, it's not up for discussion, the Veteran Maelstrom arena polymorph is gender locked to appear to be male.

Lack of attention to detail and this is not a first and is worrying as this has now become a trend, I've been supporting this project from ZoS since before early-access and this is a new trend.

I disagree with that statement...otherwise I would not be dicussing it

Teiji

kurioskurion wrote: »

I'm still not sure the OP understands what the word "unsafe" means...



un·safe
adjective
not safe; dangerous.

Lack of attention to detail for features of premium content and premium Crown store inventory. Context has been provided within this thread.

Parrotbrain wrote: »

I disagree with that statement...otherwise I would not be dicussing it

I disagree that the world is round. The world is flat.

You're effectively disputing factual information; ZoS use very distinct Dremora skins and voiceovers for 'male' and 'female' appearing Dremora.

The colour red is actually blue too, everyone is wrong. Please bear in mind this is a polite example, just as the world is flat example. We could dispute factual information all day long under the premise of 'reality is an illusion' but that's neither here nor there as this is not a philosophy forum.

Beesting

OP could have farmed so many LOL's with this post

RIP the Lol button

Parrotbrain

Teiji wrote: »

kurioskurion wrote: »

I'm still not sure the OP understands what the word "unsafe" means...



un·safe
adjective
not safe; dangerous.

Lack of attention to detail for features of premium content and premium Crown store inventory. Context has been provided within this thread.

Parrotbrain wrote: »

I disagree with that statement...otherwise I would not be dicussing it

I disagree that the world is round. The world is flat.

You're effectively disputing factual information; ZoS use very distinct Dremora skins and voiceovers for 'male' and 'female' appearing Dremora.

The colour red is actually blue too, everyone is wrong. Please bear in mind this is a polite example, just as the world is flat example. We could dispute factual information all day long under the premise of 'reality is an illusion' but that's neither here nor there as this is not a philosophy forum.

fact and opinion are only separated by degrees of universal acceptance...

deucalionsb

Those tricky Daedra, how dare they do this to you. It's as if all Daedra are mischievous little scamps.
/sarcasm

CavalierPrime

Why did OP remove all references to Gender Identity and Expression Rights? That was the most critical part of the dialogue we were having here.

SlayerSyrena

I personally think the Dremora Polymorph looks FABULOUS. (Too bad I'm not kickass enough to earn it in the arena. Satellite internet, ftw!)

Parrotbrain

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

I personally think the Dremora Polymorph looks FABULOUS. (Too bad I'm not kickass enough to earn it in the arena. Satellite internet, ftw!)

Sounds like you are living on a desert island lol

Teiji

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

I personally think the Dremora Polymorph looks FABULOUS. (Too bad I'm not kickass enough to earn it in the arena. Satellite internet, ftw!)

I think it's cool too, It just needs to act like the Xivkyn polymorphs and have a different appearance for male and female characters, it's more difficult to obtain than the Xivkyn polymorphs yet it isn't as valuable as it lacks the feature which is two different appearances; one for male and one for female characters.

The female Dremora voiceover and appearance has always been a favourite of mine since before I met Lyranth.

SlayerSyrena

Teiji wrote: »

I think it's cool too, It just needs to act like the Xivkyn polymorphs and have a different appearance for male and female characters, it's more difficult to obtain than the Xivkyn polymorphs yet it isn't as valuable as it lacks the feature which is two different appearances; one for male and one for female characters.

Oh yes, I agree. It'd be nice if it behaved like the other poly's and changed gender according to the wearer. I'm not sure why they didn't do that with the Baron (I suppose he'd have to be called a Baroness if the gender change was possible).

apostate9

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Lots of politically incorrect people in this thread. The opposite of "comfortable" is "unsafe" and the fact you fail to recognize this has triggered me. Someone call the Southern Poverty Law Center and report these bigots.

You win +1 Internets.

LOL

SlayerSyrena

Parrotbrain wrote: »

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

I personally think the Dremora Polymorph looks FABULOUS. (Too bad I'm not kickass enough to earn it in the arena. Satellite internet, ftw!)

Sounds like you are living on a desert island lol

LOL, East Texas, close enough. (We can't get takeout out here either. However, we *can* see the Milky Way at night!)

But, yes, this makes playing ESO hard. Those lovely 2-6 second delays in combat ...

CavalierPrime

OP raised the point of being allowed to appear as any gender we want at any time. ESO must mirror our reality which is that trans persons are human beings and deserve a safe space. If OP wants to be a feminine Dremora, nobody should tell her that she cant. OP you are stunning and brave.

Teiji

CavalierPrime wrote: »

OP raised the point of being allowed to appear as any gender we want at any time. ESO must mirror our reality which is that trans persons are human beings and deserve a safe space. If OP wants to be a feminine Dremora, nobody should tell her that she cant. OP you are stunning and brave.

Well meme'd friend.

But in all seriousness it's a cosmetic reward from an activity within content which costs 3,000 Crowns when Imperial City was 2,500; Imperial City polymorphs have the feature of providing two different skins per polymorph, one for each gender of the respective character wearing the costume.

So we pay more Crowns, go through V Maelstrom Arena only for the polymorph reward to lack a feature of a polymorph which was in the DLC before it?

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bug. Perhaps the community hero @ZOS_GinaBruno would be able to shed some light on this very serious issue?

Eiagra

I'm a little confused as to what the original poster's concern is. Are they in support of a gender-locked costume, because Dremora do not have a gender, and instead take on a mimicry of mortal gender? Or are they upset that a costume of a creature that does not have a gender actually has a gender?

Is it that a player wants their female character to appear female when polymorphed? Though, to be fair, wouldn't "boob armor" not only be more of a pain to craft, but more likely to result in the wearer's demise?

A more fruitful question -- in lieu of demands -- to direct at the devteam might be this: WHY is the Xivkyn polymorph apparently gender-locked? Is there a lore reason for this, or did the development cycle just not support the creation of a second mesh? Do polymorphs function in such a way with the current game engine that it is impossible to differentiate gender -- for example, the same limitations that prevent a player from having both a Skin and a Costume on simultaneously?

TL;DR: Which is responsible for this complaint: Lore, Lack of Time, or Game Limitations?