[updated 11/10] Calling all Stam Sorcs! I need help recreating a bug!

Huggalump

Update video with new information:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laZ28-AwvKY








older stuff:

Update 10/25:

Found out that weaving heavy attacks with snipe causes enemy health bar error. Most likely, any class can experience this. Not sure about that.

The player health bar bug, at least my version of it, happens only when weaving heavy attacks with snipe while Crit Surge is active. Theory is that the player health bug is a reflection of the enemy health bug due to crit surge heals coming in.... but I'm no programmer

See video for example:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo__-LNkwTw



note: and before anyone says "ADD ONS HURRRR." I've already tested with and without add ons in a million different configurations. You can check the thread for the video and information. This is bug is 100% not caused by add ons




Update 10/18:

UPDATE 10/18 I've been testing some builds and playstyles and haven't seen the bug for a while. Then last night, I suddenly got it again. I played around with some things for a while... and now I've figured out how to manually turn on the crit surge/bow health bar bug. See the new video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33og_WSZVhk&feature=youtu.be

OLDER STUFF:

[UPDATE: I NEED A STAM SORC TO TEST CRIT SURGE + LETHAL ARROW. I'M NOW 99% SURE THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THIS GAME BREAKING BUG. HERE'S THE EVIDENCE VIDEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqaIxKRJNEo&feature=youtu.be

END UPDATE]





My game has been unplayable for over three weeks now and I need your help figuring it out.

It causes my health bar to visually bug. The bar gets stuck at some percentage lower than 100%. Then, as I play one, it gradually gets stuck at lower percentages until I'm running around at 10% or less. It's a visual bug. I can still take as many hits as normal.

I've been in communication with ESO's tech support team. I told them the bug only happens on this one character, but they seemed convinced that the problem was on my end. I finally was able to disprove this by recreating the bug on my account but on a different computer.

Now we're trying to narrow down what the hell causes the bug, and I'm 100% certain it's critical surge. However.... it's critical surge + a combination of something... and I'm not sure what that something is.

The tech team says they aren't hearing the bug report from anyone else, but I get the bug everytime I play. I'm a bow stam sorc. As soon as I swapped to 2h/dual wield, the bug stopped. My best guess is that it's a problem with crit surge + some bow skills. I guess that goes to show how many archer stam sorcs there are....

Anyhow, if you can try to recreate the bug by using the same skills I'm using, that'd be huge for us. OR if you recreate the bug using a different combination of skills, that'd also be huge

thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9et7n905yc&feature=youtu.be

Huggalump

In the video, jump up to 3:00 to see the bug. I emailed the video to the tech team and wanted to show exhaustive testing to prove that the problem is absolutely not with my connection, but with bugged abilities.

Makkir

You're using FTC?
I do as well and I get the same thing from time to time. I think it's an addon issue.

Huggalump

Makkir wrote: »

You're using FTC?
I do as well and I get the same thing from time to time. I think it's an addon issue.

It's not an addon issue. Here's something I posted in another thread:

Here's a few other details I've found about the bug:

- Only affects one character. This is the strangest part of the bug. My alts all play fine. The bug only happens on my v16 stam sorc.

- It also causes NPC health to act strange, and you see it in the original video in the OP. See the first spider that dies? It's sitting around 45% hp. Unfortunately, it goes behind a rock, but you almost immediately hear the Tel Var stone "ca ching" sound which means it died. From a dot while at 45% hp.... That's not right.


Here's what I've tried:

- Playing with mods disabled.

- Completely deleting all mods from my computer.

- Completely deleting the game and all folders and reinstalling.

- Starting my computer in safe mode.

- Changing from heavy armor with 1/shield and 2h to medium armor with bow and 2h. Then I tried going with bow and different weapon with no 2h skills on the bar.

None of these made any difference. Bug always happens on my main, never happens on my alts.


Here's what I need:

- If you have EVER had this bug or heard of anyone having this bug, please let me know any details you can. Does it happen often? What class are they? What kind of skills are they using?

Anything would be so appreciated, this bug has made the game unplayable for me for the last three or so weeks.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2263829#Comment_2263829

Van_0S

I don't thing halp will arrive soon

Yolokin_Swagonborn

The takeaway point here is ZOS doesn't want you to play stam sorc.

Thought that was clear due to our lack of stamina synergies and stamina DPS morphs

That being said, the only health bar related bug I have seen is the one where it shows you have a damage shield active when you really don't. Never seen this one.

Huggalump

Thanks for the responses!

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

I don't thing halp will arrive soon

Actually, I have high hopes. I'm close to figuring this out and the tech team has been very responsive

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

The takeaway point here is ZOS doesn't want you to play stam sorc.

Thought that was clear due to our lack of stamina synergies and stamina DPS morphs

That being said, the only health bar related bug I have seen is the one where it shows you have a damage shield active when you really don't. Never seen this one.

Thanks for the insight. Do you use a bow and crit surge? If so, what bow abilities?

imredneckson

I've had that bug before but it was on a number of my toons not just stam sorc what normally fixes it for me is dying. Trying suiciding to NPCs or enemy players it normally corrects my HP when it gets bugged. If not the try re-logging if nothing gets fixed or you need to do that multiple times well then you've already contacted ZOS about the issue.

Huggalump

imredneckson wrote: »

I've had that bug before but it was on a number of my toons not just stam sorc what normally fixes it for me is dying. Trying suiciding to NPCs or enemy players it normally corrects my HP when it gets bugged. If not the try re-logging if nothing gets fixed or you need to do that multiple times well then you've already contacted ZOS about the issue.

Using the build in the video, the bug happens 100% of the time

Trashy Boy

It is a common bug, I have had it on all my characters mostly in PvP but some other intense fighting instances the same thing. Most of my friends and guild mates have had the same thing. The only thing that cures it is relogging. It has nothing to do with a particular skill I believe and most of us run FTC but also all different classes get it. It is a visual bug only.

Huggalump

Trashy Boy wrote: »

It is a common bug, I have had it on all my characters mostly in PvP but some other intense fighting instances the same thing. Most of my friends and guild mates have had the same thing. The only thing that cures it is relogging. It has nothing to do with a particular skill I believe and most of us run FTC but also all different classes get it. It is a visual bug only.

relogging doesn't do anything for me, because it'll just bug out again on the next fight. I can log on and recreate the bug right now on my first dolmen, if you'd like to see it.

Watch the video. At least in my case, it's undeniably a skill.

Also, I have other videos of it happening with no mods running... no mods even installed on my system.

Are you a stamina sorc with access to bow skills?

Huggalump

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

The takeaway point here is ZOS doesn't want you to play stam sorc.

Thought that was clear due to our lack of stamina synergies and stamina DPS morphs

That being said, the only health bar related bug I have seen is the one where it shows you have a damage shield active when you really don't. Never seen this one.

Do you have access to lethal arrow and/or arrow injection? Would you mind testing it out?

Huggalump

After this week patch, the bug is still happening.

I've made a new video which narrows down the bug even further. At this point, I now think it's certain the problem is Lethal Arrow + Critical Surge.

So far, no one has taken me up on testing out the bug. I NEED a Stam Sorc to run Critical Surge + Lethal Arrow for a while to see if the bug happens to you as well. I would suggest the dolmen's in Alik'r Desert as they're difficult enough to put damage on your health bar but easy enough to complete while testing skills you aren't used to. I'd also suggest using lethal arrow as your main DPS and keeping crit surge up.

Here's the most recent video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqaIxKRJNEo&feature=youtu.be

Egonieser

I've had this bug (PC) on my Magicka Sorcerer since as long as I can remember. It happened both with and without addons.
Not using FTC, I use Wykkyd's Framework and it gets bugged after extended play either way.
I think it has something to do with damage shields, they get bugged too, when lag happens, the game gets confused whether enemy is hitting my shield or HP and it gets stuck. At least that's when it happens most of the time.

Huggalump

Egonieser wrote: »

I've had this bug (PC) on my Magicka Sorcerer since as long as I can remember. It happened both with and without addons.
Not using FTC, I use Wykkyd's Framework and it gets bugged after extended play either way.
I think it has something to do with damage shields, they get bugged too, when lag happens, the game gets confused whether enemy is hitting my shield or HP and it gets stuck. At least that's when it happens most of the time.

There may be multiple reasons it happens. But for me, 100% not add ons, 100% not damage shields, and 100% not a problem with my computer or connection. You can check the other videos if you care to see evidence. I mean, they're not exactly exciting videos, but the evidence is there :P

Jitterbug

ive been stam sorc bowing for a long time and I have used everything from FTC to Azura to AUI (I like to tinker) and I never had that bug.
The only bow skills I do not utilize from time to time is snipe and bombard - do you run that?

I mostly use magnum and injection and then switch to my 2H.

Huggalump

Jitterbug wrote: »

ive been stam sorc bowing for a long time and I have used everything from FTC to Azura to AUI (I like to tinker) and I never had that bug.
The only bow skills I do not utilize from time to time is snipe and bombard - do you run that?

I mostly use magnum and injection and then switch to my 2H.

Scroll up a couple posts to the most recent video post.

I'm looking for a stam sorc to test Crit Surge + Lethal arrow.

edit: But thanks for the post, it pushed me to figure out how the hell to edit the OP haha.

EgoRush

Other instances where I've seen bugged health bars: Last boss in Sanctum during the poison phase - if you overhealed it with the Templar healing ultimate then it often bugged peoples' health bars so that they were stuck at percentages below 100%, despite still having all their health. I suspected it was something to do with computing a heal at the same time as incoming damage. So if could be a timing issue of a crit surge heal adjacent to incoming damage? Though that doesn't explain why it seems to be specific to bow for you.

Huggalump

EgoRush wrote: »

Other instances where I've seen bugged health bars: Last boss in Sanctum during the poison phase - if you overhealed it with the Templar healing ultimate then it often bugged peoples' health bars so that they were stuck at percentages below 100%, despite still having all their health. I suspected it was something to do with computing a heal at the same time as incoming damage. So if could be a timing issue of a crit surge heal adjacent to incoming damage? Though that doesn't explain why it seems to be specific to bow for you.

Interesting that it seemed to be poison damage setting it off and for me it's lethal arrow setting it off.

Poison injection doesn't cause any problem tho

ZOS_RyanRuzich

~ninja smoke~
We'll take a look

+1 Awesome on the video and your investigation thus far, it really does help with the debugging process.

EgoRush

Huggalump wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Other instances where I've seen bugged health bars: Last boss in Sanctum during the poison phase - if you overhealed it with the Templar healing ultimate then it often bugged peoples' health bars so that they were stuck at percentages below 100%, despite still having all their health. I suspected it was something to do with computing a heal at the same time as incoming damage. So if could be a timing issue of a crit surge heal adjacent to incoming damage? Though that doesn't explain why it seems to be specific to bow for you.

Interesting that it seemed to be poison damage setting it off and for me it's lethal arrow setting it off.

Poison injection doesn't cause any problem tho

Ha, did not even make the poison connection. Interesting, very interesting. I have a poison bow build I'm working on with my DK so I'll keep you posted if I see anything funny with that char too.

Mujuro

This has happened to me in 1.6 but not recently. I would get this on my magicka NB when using mirage.

Huggalump

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

~ninja smoke~
We'll take a look

+1 Awesome on the video and your investigation thus far, it really does help with the debugging process.

Awesome! Thanks.

EgoRush wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Other instances where I've seen bugged health bars: Last boss in Sanctum during the poison phase - if you overhealed it with the Templar healing ultimate then it often bugged peoples' health bars so that they were stuck at percentages below 100%, despite still having all their health. I suspected it was something to do with computing a heal at the same time as incoming damage. So if could be a timing issue of a crit surge heal adjacent to incoming damage? Though that doesn't explain why it seems to be specific to bow for you.

Interesting that it seemed to be poison damage setting it off and for me it's lethal arrow setting it off.

Poison injection doesn't cause any problem tho

Ha, did not even make the poison connection. Interesting, very interesting. I have a poison bow build I'm working on with my DK so I'll keep you posted if I see anything funny with that char too.

Actually, thinking about it now, it's probably not poison. The skill poison injection is fine. Unless it's the small dot that lethal arrow causes?

Anyhow, it's possible that the problem is crit surge+ healing debuff skills. I'll test that when I get home from work. But at the moment, it just seems like crit surge + lethal arrow as far as consistent problems

Domander

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

~ninja smoke~
We'll take a look

+1 Awesome on the video and your investigation thus far, it really does help with the debugging process.

Nice, just please don't somehow break crit surge with a fix...... sorry to be cynical...

Kuroinu

I didn't realise that Alvin and the chipmunks were supporters of Molag Bal!

Huggalump

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

I didn't realise that Alvin and the chipmunks were supporters of Molag Bal!

Yeah, in the most recent video I went up to 8x speed for the fights. Unfortunately, it cut the sound out once it gets to that speed. I legitimately thought about lowering the speed and doubling the size of the video just to get that chipmunk sound back in.... I kinda regret not doing so haha

EDIT: Oh right, it still happens in the intro. Rad!

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

This has happened to me too..

Magicka Sorc on Xbone

Huggalump

Huggalump wrote: »

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

~ninja smoke~
We'll take a look

+1 Awesome on the video and your investigation thus far, it really does help with the debugging process.

Awesome! Thanks.

EgoRush wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Other instances where I've seen bugged health bars: Last boss in Sanctum during the poison phase - if you overhealed it with the Templar healing ultimate then it often bugged peoples' health bars so that they were stuck at percentages below 100%, despite still having all their health. I suspected it was something to do with computing a heal at the same time as incoming damage. So if could be a timing issue of a crit surge heal adjacent to incoming damage? Though that doesn't explain why it seems to be specific to bow for you.

Interesting that it seemed to be poison damage setting it off and for me it's lethal arrow setting it off.

Poison injection doesn't cause any problem tho

Ha, did not even make the poison connection. Interesting, very interesting. I have a poison bow build I'm working on with my DK so I'll keep you posted if I see anything funny with that char too.

Actually, thinking about it now, it's probably not poison. The skill poison injection is fine. Unless it's the small dot that lethal arrow causes?

Anyhow, it's possible that the problem is crit surge+ healing debuff skills. I'll test that when I get home from work. But at the moment, it just seems like crit surge + lethal arrow as far as consistent problems

note: I just tested if it's the healing debuff. I re-morphed my character and changed Lethal Arrow for Focused Aim. The bug still happened. I feel like it happened slower... but that's just speculation, I didn't test for long.

Anyhow, the point is it seems that it might be unrelated to the healing debuff and, potentially, unrelated to poison damage. But the specific skill of snipe and it's morphs do cause a problem.

Huggalump

Update: I've been using a sword and shield heavy armor stam sorc build for the past week. The bug only happened once, and then somehow fixed itself within two minutes, which never happens on my archer build.

Last night I switched back to my archer stam sorc build and the bug happened again almost immediately and didn't fix itself until I died.

SirJesto

I have a stam sorc archer that I play from time to time that uses the skills in question. I don't remember it happening but I'll check it out soon to see if I can replicate it somehow.

Huggalump

SirJesto wrote: »

I have a stam sorc archer that I play from time to time that uses the skills in question. I don't remember it happening but I'll check it out soon to see if I can replicate it somehow.

Thanks! I'd really appreciate it.