Nerf/Fix Wrecking Blow / Fix CC Immunity!

Molag_Crow

[Old topic with a few deleted videos -- At least we're getting a 'physical damage taken reduced' in Champion Point alignment.]

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I made a Wrecking Blow topic ages ago to basically complain about how flawed Wrecking Blow is; how it's spammable and CC immunity sometimes doesn't even free you from its constant knockdown, so I came back... with videos, but first!


Please Note: I do not intend on naming and shaming the player(s,) as it is not exactly the fault of the player if they're allowed to continuously spam the same hard-hitting, CC-ing ability.[/color]

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Edit: Outdated (pre-Imperial City)

I'm wondering why Wrecking Blow's knockback doesn't have much diminishing returns at all, why is it so quick of a move to get off and laggy, and why CC immunity isn't always protecting one at the right time, as you can see in the first short video. (Though it's an old one) The player is able to do a total of 16 Wrecking Blows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU9PH0YLpmU

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Edit: It's still a Plague in Imperial City, although this fight was decent, it is quite a shame to find that players have to resort to literally bashing 1 skill over and over for a kill, and Jab/Sweep isn't that bad in comparison due to it being a slightly long channel which can be interrupted BY wrecking blow before the last jab gets off to knock the target back.

Edit: I was in my PvE-ish build at the time (leveling up to v16 and collecting materials etc.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPSLliBkT6I

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Solutions (In my opinion)

It's quite an abusive ability (despite it being the most useful ability for some Stamina builds) because of its damage (empowered), speed, range (when not running behind/through them all the time) and knockdown combined. If I was to make this ability fair, I'd just increase the cost the more times it's used, like after 3 times in a row, they'll get a 4(?) sec big cost increase on WB or something.

Warraxx

well, you just stood there...

Carde

He skilled you so hard. WRECKING BLOW WRECKING BLOW WRECKING BLOW.

edit: Only thing you really could have done there is gotten distance between you and him, but lol CRIT CHARGE CRIT CHARGE CRIT CHARGE.

Molag_Crow

I didn't -just- stand there, more like "I just laid there"...

I can't move when I do my heal ultimate btw. I understand you're best walking in/on them so Wrecking Blow misses, but yeah the first video was more of a "CC Immunity is broken demonstration."

Edit: Rephrased

LazyLewis

This is quite hilarious. Yes people spamming one skill. We all remember impulse spamming? Still happens but use to be bigger. DKs main DPS is Whip. Templar is Jabs. NB constantly cloaks. Must people generally spam one skill but people only complain when its a spammable attack that CCs like this or jabs. CC immunity is 3 seconds I believe. From the first time you were knocked down to the next it was out of CC immunity

jkemmery

Well, since you do have heavy, you could use the "Immovable" skill from heavy to prevent the knockback. But of course you would have to slot it. Also, since you're a Templar, why didn't you use biting jabs and radiant oppression? Back away and use ranged attacks on WBer's. It might help.

Molag_Crow

And I usually always switch to 1h sword & shield then block, but I don't know.. it was one of those moments where I was more focused on healing up first and weren't exactly in the position to just switch and start blocking, as you can see on the first video, I was on the floor through most of the fight apart from when I was casting my ultimate heal and dark flare (I should have switched to block instead of dark flare, yes.. but shoulda, woulda, coulda, etc.)

Edit: Anyway, it's not about that -- CC immunity kicks in while I'm down on the floor, unable to move. It is broken.

Warraxx

i like immovable pots...

also, u really need a CC on your bar too.

Kobaal

block when you see it comming.

Molag_Crow

Warraxx wrote: »

i like immovable pots...

also, u really need a CC on your bar too.

True... on my main bar I use blazing spear AOE stun but that's unreliable in most situations I guess, especially in that situation!... so I should put on a proper stun like Aurora Javelin or something then.

Edit: Old, irrelevant post -- My build and gear has changed.

Molag_Crow

Kobaal wrote: »

block when you see it comming.

Yeah I wanted to save stamina to break out and whatnot, but errr.. I could have even mist formed away or just Jabbed him back, but it doesn't matter.. the way it is spammed is what's concerning me.

Edit: Old, irrelevant post -- My build and gear has improved & changed.

alt3rEgo

Is there any other Skill in this Game with three Abilities? I mean high damage, stun and damage booster?

Thecapeo

Lol. I once got an angry message on PSN from someone who said I spammed WB because I went WB, WB, WB, Fossilze, Executioner to kill them. I want to send them this video.

starkerealm

CrowsDescend wrote: »

So basically, I'm wondering why Wrecking Blow's knockback doesn't have diminishing returns, and continuously knocks one down? I will provide you with a short video. The player is able to do a total of 16 Wrecking Blows.

Because, against a live player, it's very difficult to actually get a second wrecking blow off before they get away from you and fire off some CC, to keep me from closing back in. I mean, yeah, I could use Ambush or critical charge, but all you need to do is use Drain Essence, and I'll just stand there looking stupid and squirming, while you eat my spleen.

Just stay mobile and don't get into melee in light armor, and you should be fine. Try Flame Touch. It's almost as funny, and you can keep your distance with it.

danno8

The fight lasted 18 seconds if you bother to investigate the video. He got cc'd 4 times. That's a cc every 4.5 seconds. CC immunity is suppose to last 7 seconds. So where is the extra cc coming from?

If you watch closely you can see him get cc again immediately after getting up after the second knockdown because there was a delay between him getting up and getting cc immunity.

CC immunity does not work perfectly.

And Wrecking Blow should really be put back to the 1.5 second cast time since they made it uninterruptable.

david.haypreub18_ESO

Wrecking Blow shouldn't be able to buff itself. That is just a recipe for spam.

Is the immunity timer supposed to work if you don't CC break? That might be where the problem with the CC lies.

Emma_Overload

Wrecking Blow "spam" isn't the issue here. The problem we need to be discussing is this:

WHY is the OP getting CC'd repeatedly before his CC immunity timer is up?

That shouldn't even be possible!

Molag_Crow

Hmmmmmm good point, Emma*.... CC Immunity is flawed!

I've edited the title so that maybe ZOS will notice this and see what they make of it.

Edit: Old, irrelevant post(?) -- My build and gear has improved & changed.

MrGrimey

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here... Only reason people are using wrecking blow now is because they nerfed damage so hard and all our other abilities do crap damage, so now wrecking blow is the only ability left that actually bursts people down and does enough damage... You guys want damage even more nerfed?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Sithisvoid

I get cced after taking unstoppable potions. Lol explain that. Also on ps4 maybe cc immunity is bugged?

GreenSoup2HoT

Fix CC immunity. That was ridiculous.

WillhelmBlack

I counted 3 secs before each CC. Why did you just stand there? Why didn't you just CC him back? Blazing Spear man.

Araxleon

All knockbacks have this bug.

Leap, Wrecking Blow and a few others (fire trap)
It can be really annoying

istateres

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Wrecking Blow "spam" isn't the issue here. The problem we need to be discussing is this:

WHY is the OP getting CC'd repeatedly before his CC immunity timer is up?

That shouldn't even be possible!

He's not the only one. There are many ways to deal with WB, but not if you can never get out of CC!

tplink3r1

Yes, CC is bugged, but did you really die to a WB spammer? LOL.

danno8

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I counted 3 secs before each CC. Why did you just stand there? Why didn't you just CC him back? Blazing Spear man.

Bolded is the real problem.

starkerealm

istateres wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Wrecking Blow "spam" isn't the issue here. The problem we need to be discussing is this:

WHY is the OP getting CC'd repeatedly before his CC immunity timer is up?

That shouldn't even be possible!

He's not the only one. There are many ways to deal with WB, but not if you can never get out of CC!

Here's a thought, "try blocking."

Sharee

Okay. Watching the video i think i can see the issue.

First thing, you are getting immunity everytime you recover from a wrecking blow knockdown, and it lasts ~6 seconds everytime, as it should. However, the immunity is only applied after you stand up, and there is a brief window between you standing up and you getting the immunity where you are vulnerable to a knockdown again.

Chronology of what happens in the video:

0:01 - you get hit by the first knockdown
0:05 - you stand up, and your first immunity starts. (notice that the immunity only starts after you stand up, not while you are lying down)
0:11 - your first immunity expires
0:12 - you get hit by the second knockdown
<up until this point everything is working as it should. but now...>
0:14 - you stand up from the 2nd knockdown, but your immunity has not been applied yet. You eat the 3rd knockdown
0:15 - NOW your immunity from the 2nd knockdown is applied (too late). You are lying on the floor, with immunity running.
0:21 - your second immunity expires
0:22 - 4th knockdown, and the end.

The problem is that while you did get immunity from the 2nd knockdown, it came a split second too late, you got knocked down in meantime, and your immunity was wasted since you were lying on the floor while it was running.

TLDR: the bug is this: immunity after a knockdown is applied a split second too late, allowing two successive knockdowns if the 2nd knockdown is timed precisely between character standing up from 1st knockdown and the immunity from 1st knockdown being applied.

QuebraRegra

LazyLewis wrote: »

This is quite hilarious. Yes people spamming one skill. We all remember impulse spamming? Still happens but use to be bigger. DKs main DPS is Whip. Templar is Jabs. NB constantly cloaks.

The only one of those that doesn't cause dmg in and of it's self is cloak.

yodased

Sharee wrote: »

smart things. .

Even worse than this is the amount of time that it takes for a wrecking blow to wind up and hit you is just about exactly the amount of time that you are lying on the floor with CC immunity.

If wrecking blow was faster or shorter then they would not overlap the way it does. It's almost like WB spammers found the sweet spot and intrinsically time them for multiple CCs, but they didn't it is just what happens when you mash the 1 key over and over.

Failure.

Molag_Crow

Thank you for the analysis Sharee! damn, you're good. I didn't realize CC immunity was flawed at first, this was mainly a wrecking blow issue, originally. Haha...

edit: that's completely turned the topic around so I've had to edit bits in order for it to make sense to those who're only stumbling upon this topic now. Also; Edit: Old, irrelevant post -- My build and gear has improved & changed.