Don't you think 50% damage reduction is a bit much.

TheBull

I mean don't get me wrong I understand why it was done. One and two shots are no fun for the person getting killed. At the same time, from this vets prospective that chance of being killed by making mistakes gave an edge to ESO pvp. It made combat exhilarating. Running around out of stealth was a death sentence for cloth and medium armor wearing vampires. There were repercussions for choices you made.

I was about to start rambling. I'm just gonna get to the point. Come 1.7 good players will never kill each other. Let me back that up, two players of equal skill will never kill each other. A good player will still kill a bad player nearly as fast though. Maybe the bad player gets a couple more global cool downs, or maybe they get to run for help. They are certainly not gonna kill the good player. At least in 1.6 they had a punchers chance. They could land a lucky shard, or soul harvest and change the fight.

Beyond all of that it just feels like we are fighting with pillows. Nothing really hurts, nothing really works. I mean somethings work eventually, but before that time chances are someone else is running up stealing a bit of your glory and or honor. Winner or loser it's feels more "meh..." than "hell yeah!" in those situations, at least for me.

Idk 40%, 35% reduction maybe? There will be time to react, but you could still be hit hard enough to feel a sense of urgency. The feel of danger is important. Without it things get dull.

What do you guys think?

actosh

You can still hit hard as *** and now u just have to invest a bit more.

I like it how it is right now.

Lord_Hev

I think they need to suck up, and go back to the old Health/mag/stam ratio before 1.6 screwed up TTK.

AssaultLemming

I've been happy with how it is currently on live, I didn't like the new changes on pts at all.

newtinmpls

I want softcaps back

Zsymon

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Arkh__Longstride

10 mins duels are not fun. Change it ffs

Sarousse

The TTK is perfect right now on the pts, the fights are strategic and fun.

Can't wait to see this on live servers.

Zsymon

Arkh__Longstride wrote: »

10 mins duels are not fun. Change it ffs

ESO PvP is not about duels though, it was never meant to be balanced for duels.

In group PvP the TTK is far too low on Live, and on PTS it is pretty much picture perfect. Sure it would have been better to just revert to the old health ratios to increase TTK, but companies don't admit mistakes, and this is the next best thing.

Armitas

I think they need to fix the problems directly not globally. The global nerfs have gone too far, a little bit is okay and good to have, but now it's just getting absurd.

There is a ton of mediocre damagers out there and a handful of OP nukers which are the direct cause of the TTL issue. With the Global nerf they nerf the mediocre damagers into pitiful damagers and the nukers into mediocre damagers and now TTL is too high (from your report). An obvious outcome to such a broad fix for a specific problem. I just do not understand their thinking, the major changes on this entire update make no sense at all. Their focus, and solutions are just so out of whack.

ScruffyWhiskers

I sure hope they try 35% with the next build.

Farorin

I agree, I found it fun and exciting how kills were pretty quick.

Now it feels slow, sluggish, and it feels like your fighting with toys, not weapons. Fights last way too long, and if both players are good a fight can drag on long enough for them to literally get bored and mutually give up to walk away.

TheBull

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

I sure hope they try 35% with the next build.

Or the one after. They said dmg and shields currently aren't calculating right on pts and they want to see how that works before they make more changes like crit to shields. I'm not sure if that means dmg was to high or too low though...

"We have a fix in for the next PTS build that resolves an issue with Battle Spirit where the damage/healing/shield values were not being calculated properly."

Draehl

Keep 50% damage reduction.
Reduce stam/magicka ability costs by 50%
Reduce stam/magicka regen/restore by 75%

Fights last longer. Players have relatively larger pools to start, but they eventually run out. Shields can stay potent. Burst can stay potent. Dodge/block nerfs can be reverted. Efficient builds become more relevant. But again, players run out and can't heal forever. Fights generally last longer but they end.
 

Etharian

50% is perfect... Wait til shields are crittable. you will see, and everyone is runnign around in v14 gear too. so wait til you get maxed out and the dmg will be fine at 50%

Forestd16b14_ESO

I honestly don't know what people are complaining about I seen and have been melted just as fast on PTS as on live.

Nifty2g

newtinmpls wrote: »

I want softcaps back

soft caps are the devil. do not bring back, just fix up your champion system please zos

olemanwinter

mislucb16_ESO wrote: »

The TTK is perfect right now on the pts, the fights are strategic and fun.
.

Strategy = have more people.

Or if evenly matched, have more people arrive first.

Win.

olemanwinter

I'm still waiting to experience ANYTHING REMOTELY like 2.1 live on the PTS before I judge.

If they fix the bubble shield bugs....If they make shields crit....but what if they fix long standing penetration math and damage overflow after shields....If if but but if if.

All I know is TTK is too high now, combat is tedious, and too often it simply comes down to numbers, making small battles feel like pointless zerg battles.

But I wouldn't advocate for anything right now until they present us with a HALF WAY DECENT REPRESENTATION to judge. Which they have not yet done.

Zsymon

Draehl wrote: »

Keep 50% damage reduction.
Reduce stam/magicka ability costs by 50%
Reduce stam/magicka regen/restore by 75%

Fights last longer. Players have relatively larger pools to start, but they eventually run out. Shields can stay potent. Burst can stay potent. Dodge/block nerfs can be reverted. Efficient builds become more relevant. But again, players run out and can't heal forever. Fights generally last longer but they end.
 

You're trying to balance PvP around solo fighting, that is not going to work because this game only supports group PvP.

In group PvP, the current TTK is absolutely perfect. No one stays alive forever but people don't die the moment they enter the battlefield. The numbers are just right now in my opinion.

Zsymon

Etharian wrote: »

50% is perfect... Wait til shields are crittable. you will see, and everyone is runnign around in v14 gear too. so wait til you get maxed out and the dmg will be fine at 50%

It's not been confirmed that damage shields will become crittable, they said they're going to test the improved formula first.

Draehl

Zsymon wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

Keep 50% damage reduction.
Reduce stam/magicka ability costs by 50%
Reduce stam/magicka regen/restore by 75%

Fights last longer. Players have relatively larger pools to start, but they eventually run out. Shields can stay potent. Burst can stay potent. Dodge/block nerfs can be reverted. Efficient builds become more relevant. But again, players run out and can't heal forever. Fights generally last longer but they end.
 

You're trying to balance PvP around solo fighting, that is not going to work because this game only supports group PvP.

In group PvP, the current TTK is absolutely perfect. No one stays alive forever but people don't die the moment they enter the battlefield. The numbers are just right now in my opinion.

The same applies to group. IE healers cant top allies off for maybe a couple minutes, but when they go OOM their allies fall or defeat the enemy first. Fights ending is the key point here be it 1v1 or 20v20. Unless one side is closer to a respawn point where fresh players can come in- in which case, hey, superior supply lines = more sustainable war just as it should be.

c0rp

The regen in this game needs to be nerfed by 50%.