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New "Two Handed and Shield, Dual Two Handed, Single Handed, Illusion Staff, and Archery" Skill sets?
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UTG_Zilla✭✭✭'2H + shield'
You do realize that 2h weapons literally need two hands to use right? Not just because they're long, but the weight and balance also.
Yea, you go try one handing a claymore while trying to effectively block with a shield in your other hand, let us know how it works.
My guess:
'Tried swinging claymore with one hand, broke wrist/dropped sword'1 -
Healzie✭'2H + shield'
You do realize that 2h weapons literally need two hands to use right? Not just because they're long, but the weight and balance also.
Yea, you go try one handing a claymore while trying to effectively block with a shield in your other hand, let us know how it works.
My guess:
'Tried swinging claymore with one hand, broke wrist/dropped sword'
Many games have done it, why can't ESO?0 -
UTG_Zilla✭✭✭'2H + shield'
You do realize that 2h weapons literally need two hands to use right? Not just because they're long, but the weight and balance also.
Yea, you go try one handing a claymore while trying to effectively block with a shield in your other hand, let us know how it works.
My guess:
'Tried swinging claymore with one hand, broke wrist/dropped sword'
Many games have done it, why can't ESO?
I personally haven't seen any mmo have a 2h combined with a shield, maybe a 1h with a long blade. But I'm fairly certain that developers know 2 handed weapon means literally weapons that need 2 hands.
Maybe what you're looking for are katanas. They're long blades that can be used as 2h as well as 1h (if skilled enough and not looking for finesse).0 -
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RavenSkylord✭✭✭'2H + shield'
You do realize that 2h weapons literally need two hands to use right? Not just because they're long, but the weight and balance also.
Yea, you go try one handing a claymore while trying to effectively block with a shield in your other hand, let us know how it works.
My guess:
'Tried swinging claymore with one hand, broke wrist/dropped sword'
Many games have done it, why can't ESO?
I personally haven't seen any mmo have a 2h combined with a shield, maybe a 1h with a long blade. But I'm fairly certain that developers know 2 handed weapon means literally weapons that need 2 hands.
Maybe what you're looking for are katanas. They're long blades that can be used as 2h as well as 1h (if skilled enough and not looking for finesse).
Holding two handed weapons in each hand has long history as a way of showing incredible strength. From movies Conan the Barbarian, Krull for swords to the wealth of movies depicting dual wield shotguns. In games there is precedent, Diablo 3 comes to mind off hand. Not unheard of in media of all formats0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RavenSkylord wrote: »'2H + shield'
You do realize that 2h weapons literally need two hands to use right? Not just because they're long, but the weight and balance also.
Yea, you go try one handing a claymore while trying to effectively block with a shield in your other hand, let us know how it works.
My guess:
'Tried swinging claymore with one hand, broke wrist/dropped sword'
Many games have done it, why can't ESO?
I personally haven't seen any mmo have a 2h combined with a shield, maybe a 1h with a long blade. But I'm fairly certain that developers know 2 handed weapon means literally weapons that need 2 hands.
Maybe what you're looking for are katanas. They're long blades that can be used as 2h as well as 1h (if skilled enough and not looking for finesse).
Holding two handed weapons in each hand has long history as a way of showing incredible strength. From movies Conan the Barbarian, Krull for swords to the wealth of movies depicting dual wield shotguns. In games there is precedent, Diablo 3 comes to mind off hand. Not unheard of in media of all formats
Hollywood has never, and probably never will be, a historically accurate or even physically accurate source of information.
Movies overexagerrate. While most two handed swords weigh in at about 4 pounds, their point of balance is too far from the grip to effectively wield in one hand. Your wrist, arm, and hand would have to be like the hulk's for that to work out in your favor.
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UTG_Zilla✭✭✭RavenSkylord wrote: »'2H + shield'
You do realize that 2h weapons literally need two hands to use right? Not just because they're long, but the weight and balance also.
Yea, you go try one handing a claymore while trying to effectively block with a shield in your other hand, let us know how it works.
My guess:
'Tried swinging claymore with one hand, broke wrist/dropped sword'
Many games have done it, why can't ESO?
I personally haven't seen any mmo have a 2h combined with a shield, maybe a 1h with a long blade. But I'm fairly certain that developers know 2 handed weapon means literally weapons that need 2 hands.
Maybe what you're looking for are katanas. They're long blades that can be used as 2h as well as 1h (if skilled enough and not looking for finesse).
Holding two handed weapons in each hand has long history as a way of showing incredible strength. From movies Conan the Barbarian, Krull for swords to the wealth of movies depicting dual wield shotguns. In games there is precedent, Diablo 3 comes to mind off hand. Not unheard of in media of all formats
That doesn't mean at all that it's practical in anyway. And as for the examples, Conan was, well, a huge muscled barbarian. Would you feel the same if you saw some wimpy (I mean customized to have small muscles) argonian running around with 2h+shield? Total immersion break.0 -
UTG_Zilla✭✭✭RavenSkylord wrote: »'2H + shield'
You do realize that 2h weapons literally need two hands to use right? Not just because they're long, but the weight and balance also.
Yea, you go try one handing a claymore while trying to effectively block with a shield in your other hand, let us know how it works.
My guess:
'Tried swinging claymore with one hand, broke wrist/dropped sword'
Many games have done it, why can't ESO?
I personally haven't seen any mmo have a 2h combined with a shield, maybe a 1h with a long blade. But I'm fairly certain that developers know 2 handed weapon means literally weapons that need 2 hands.
Maybe what you're looking for are katanas. They're long blades that can be used as 2h as well as 1h (if skilled enough and not looking for finesse).
Holding two handed weapons in each hand has long history as a way of showing incredible strength. From movies Conan the Barbarian, Krull for swords to the wealth of movies depicting dual wield shotguns. In games there is precedent, Diablo 3 comes to mind off hand. Not unheard of in media of all formats
That doesn't mean at all that it's practical in anyway. And as for the examples, Conan was, well, a huge muscled barbarian. Would you feel the same if you saw some wimpy (I mean customized to have small muscles) argonian running around with 2h+shield? Total immersion break.
And it's been months since I played d3 but I'm fairly fairly and even more fairly certain you couldn't dual wield while using, say, The Furnace0 -
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RavenSkylord✭✭✭RavenSkylord wrote: »'2H + shield'
You do realize that 2h weapons literally need two hands to use right? Not just because they're long, but the weight and balance also.
Yea, you go try one handing a claymore while trying to effectively block with a shield in your other hand, let us know how it works.
My guess:
'Tried swinging claymore with one hand, broke wrist/dropped sword'
Many games have done it, why can't ESO?
I personally haven't seen any mmo have a 2h combined with a shield, maybe a 1h with a long blade. But I'm fairly certain that developers know 2 handed weapon means literally weapons that need 2 hands.
Maybe what you're looking for are katanas. They're long blades that can be used as 2h as well as 1h (if skilled enough and not looking for finesse).
Holding two handed weapons in each hand has long history as a way of showing incredible strength. From movies Conan the Barbarian, Krull for swords to the wealth of movies depicting dual wield shotguns. In games there is precedent, Diablo 3 comes to mind off hand. Not unheard of in media of all formats
Hollywood has never, and probably never will be, a historically accurate or even physically accurate source of information.
Movies overexagerrate. While most two handed swords weigh in at about 4 pounds, their point of balance is too far from the grip to effectively wield in one hand. Your wrist, arm, and hand would have to be like the hulk's for that to work out in your favor.
Historically accurate? Physically accurate? Over exaggerate? You do realize we are talking about? Last I checked there are no elves, cat people or lizard people. You can not shoot magic out of your hand, or turn invisible, there are no guar, whether named Penelope or not, people don't grow spines out of their backs, no one can carry 60 iron armor pieces in their pocket, let alone 170. There are no portals to other places either.0 -
UTG_Zilla✭✭✭RavenSkylord wrote: »RavenSkylord wrote: »'2H + shield'
You do realize that 2h weapons literally need two hands to use right? Not just because they're long, but the weight and balance also.
Yea, you go try one handing a claymore while trying to effectively block with a shield in your other hand, let us know how it works.
My guess:
'Tried swinging claymore with one hand, broke wrist/dropped sword'
Many games have done it, why can't ESO?
I personally haven't seen any mmo have a 2h combined with a shield, maybe a 1h with a long blade. But I'm fairly certain that developers know 2 handed weapon means literally weapons that need 2 hands.
Maybe what you're looking for are katanas. They're long blades that can be used as 2h as well as 1h (if skilled enough and not looking for finesse).
Holding two handed weapons in each hand has long history as a way of showing incredible strength. From movies Conan the Barbarian, Krull for swords to the wealth of movies depicting dual wield shotguns. In games there is precedent, Diablo 3 comes to mind off hand. Not unheard of in media of all formats
Hollywood has never, and probably never will be, a historically accurate or even physically accurate source of information.
Movies overexagerrate. While most two handed swords weigh in at about 4 pounds, their point of balance is too far from the grip to effectively wield in one hand. Your wrist, arm, and hand would have to be like the hulk's for that to work out in your favor.
Historically accurate? Physically accurate? Over exaggerate? You do realize we are talking about? Last I checked there are no elves, cat people or lizard people. You can not shoot magic out of your hand, or turn invisible, there are no guar, whether named Penelope or not, people don't grow spines out of their backs, no one can carry 60 iron armor pieces in their pocket, let alone 170. There are no portals to other places either.
True....but this realm isn't Nirn.
Also, for the 2h/shield option, just look how toons hold 2h swords (claymores). They have they arms bent up and towards their body, as in the majority of the support comes from both arms, they're not one handing them to the side while the blade points down. So even if you wanna go off my comment of this realm not being nirn, it's still not physically practical in game either.Edited by UTG_Zilla on July 26, 2015 11:17PM0 -
Healzie✭RavenSkylord wrote: »RavenSkylord wrote: »'2H + shield'
You do realize that 2h weapons literally need two hands to use right? Not just because they're long, but the weight and balance also.
Yea, you go try one handing a claymore while trying to effectively block with a shield in your other hand, let us know how it works.
My guess:
'Tried swinging claymore with one hand, broke wrist/dropped sword'
Many games have done it, why can't ESO?
I personally haven't seen any mmo have a 2h combined with a shield, maybe a 1h with a long blade. But I'm fairly certain that developers know 2 handed weapon means literally weapons that need 2 hands.
Maybe what you're looking for are katanas. They're long blades that can be used as 2h as well as 1h (if skilled enough and not looking for finesse).
Holding two handed weapons in each hand has long history as a way of showing incredible strength. From movies Conan the Barbarian, Krull for swords to the wealth of movies depicting dual wield shotguns. In games there is precedent, Diablo 3 comes to mind off hand. Not unheard of in media of all formats
Hollywood has never, and probably never will be, a historically accurate or even physically accurate source of information.
Movies overexagerrate. While most two handed swords weigh in at about 4 pounds, their point of balance is too far from the grip to effectively wield in one hand. Your wrist, arm, and hand would have to be like the hulk's for that to work out in your favor.
Historically accurate? Physically accurate? Over exaggerate? You do realize we are talking about? Last I checked there are no elves, cat people or lizard people. You can not shoot magic out of your hand, or turn invisible, there are no guar, whether named Penelope or not, people don't grow spines out of their backs, no one can carry 60 iron armor pieces in their pocket, let alone 170. There are no portals to other places either.
True....but this realm isn't Nirn.
Also, for the 2h/shield option, just look how toons hold 2h swords (claymores). They have they arms bent up and towards their body, as in the majority of the support comes from both arms, they're not one handing them to the side while the blade points down. So even if you wanna go off my comment of this realm not being nirn, it's still not physically practical in game either.
I understand what you're saying, but all in all, while everyone's sitting here complaining about the 2h + shield, I don't think anyone's bothered to bring up a discussion about anything else besides the bows. For example, why can't we use just the one hand? it's physically possible and weird that we can't have a skill set for that?0 -
UTG_Zilla✭✭✭I think they didn't include 1h because it would kinda just be a waste of an open hand slot, some people did make good points tho by pointing out it could be more like fencing with the skills but I think from the developers view (at the time) they just thought it would have a wasted open hand.
And as for those 1h semi automatic hand bows. That's like 2000 years of technology ahead than the eso world, the only archaic semi automatic crossbows that worked and are noted of were made by the Chinese. And they were clunky, only held about 5 bolts at a time, and weren't great on accuracy (if you look at one you could See why, like a 6" box on top of the crossbow). And as for dual wielding hand crossbows, how would you load them mid battle? Sure, maybe some crafty khajiit could rig up a self loading system with ropes/twine for a few bolts but still, for just a few bolts0 -
Mitchblue✭✭✭✭I want to be able to carry a bow, 2-H, 2 daggers, shield and two staffs all at the same time.Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?0
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BaconMagic✭✭✭I played a MUD where katanas could be used as 1h or 2h depending on your 'grip' on the weapon. Attack strength would scale off training in the appropriate skill, but the critical bonus on the weapon as a 2h would only be available as a 2h, not when swung with 1h only. Needless to say it was lame, but if you wanted to be a katana wielding mage with a wand in off hand, it was kinda fun.0
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Noomfy-Mop✭✭So I'm seeing a lot of hate for 2 handed and shield..
What about if they introduced bucklers and you could do 2 handed with a buckler!
Since a buckler is just a small shield that's generally designed to be held with something else in the same hand.This is my signature.
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Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
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Kronosphere✭✭✭✭not to be mean but this is NOT the game for dual wield 2h etc man not at all.
the one good thing that DOES come from this however is to shine light on the fact there should be 1h version of staffs so you can dual wield 2 staffs or go full gandalf and have a staff + sword. id be ok with this as you can do it on skyrim etc~House Indoril~
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✭✭✭✭✭I'd much rather have some additional reasonable weapon choices. Polearm skill line. One-handed and magic wand/rune skill line. Crossbows added to bow. Spell foci for destruction/restoration magic. Unarmed brawling that does crap for damage, but has some neat CC options. That sort of thing...
The "combine weapon" ideas... meh.
Yeah, I suppose a brawny person could try and use a two hander one handed... at half the attack speed, and rather clumsily too, as those things are balanced to be used two-handed, and it'd beed superhuman strength to even get around half of that... two spears may look awesome in a certain anime, but... would also be somewhat impractical for people with mere human strength. I'd rather have one spear and animations like in the "Red Viper vs. the Mountain" fight in GoT then implausible anime stuff here...0 -
UTG_Zilla✭✭✭Noomfy-Mop wrote: »So I'm seeing a lot of hate for 2 handed and shield..
What about if they introduced bucklers and you could do 2 handed with a buckler!
Since a buckler is just a small shield that's generally designed to be held with something else in the same hand.
Still doesn't change the fact that you'd need both hands to wield 2h, so a buckler would just be tied to the forearm like...bracers armor...0 -
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✭Two two-handed sword? You wanna be some badass boss, so do I! Id love to be a Minotaur even once in a game, Ive a really bad itch. Make it happen devs.Edited by Sausage on July 27, 2015 12:01PM0 -
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