Please don't bring non-vet style "battle levelling" to vet campaigns!

Truewavesound

This will mean that all V1-V13s will have almost identical stats in campaigns and your gear will make almost no difference. Reasons not to bring this in:

- This will ruin a large part of the game for us pvpers who like to pvp while we level. Many of us love the gearing "mini-game" (see pages and pages on the internet of sites dedicated to gearing your character in clever and innovative ways) - please don't take this away from us!
- 95-99% of V1-V13 gear that has been so lovingly designed, stat balanced, weighted etc by ZOS will become almost useless to large parts of the community and so remain unused/become obsolete - this is sad!
- I don't see any real demand for this change from players and I am struggling to understand any rationale behind this proposed change.

I can somewhat understand the reasoning for this style of battle levelling in the non-vet campaign but it just makes no sense in vet campaigns. Please don't do this!

Truewavesound

Who's with me on this?

strikeback1247

Truewavesound wrote: »

Who's with me on this?

*awkward silence*

:^)

Reb

*tumbleweed*

Sanct16

You can disable Battle Leveling in the Settings if you don't want your character to be affected by it.

WolfgangArmadeus

There has to be an option for vet rank players who want an even playing field... they should convert some of the vet campaigns to scaled campaigns with no cp advantages which allow everyone to play at an equal "lvl"... The only difference will be your character race, the gear you choose, the skills you use and your mundus stone...

Obviously they should keep vet campaigns for those who enjoy level/CP Advantages and the complete lack of skill it sometimes requires to topple VR1-VR10 opponents who have no choice in the matter if they want to take part in pvp or pve in "pvp" zones with their vr level characters...

Truewavesound

My frustration is that a large part of the game for me is gearing. But when they bring this in, there will be no point in even wearing any equipment at all, and in fact, you will have just as much stats (stam, health, magicka, spell damage, weapon damage) and armor/spell resist naked as you would in full gold upgraded sets. This will then apply from Level 1 to level VR13, so most of the game, rendering most of the gear in the game pointless (including the pvp rewards and pvp gear you can buy for AP).

I can't believe I am the only one that sees this as nonsensical.

I can understand making one vet campaign like this, if people are desperate to pvp naked...

Alternatively ZOS could replace the very lazy "battle levelling" (not battle levelling at all, but just a selection of fixed stats) with a more intelligent system that allows players to use gear combinations etc but still bring them up to maybe the level of a V12-14.

Truewavesound

I think maybe a lot of players don't realise what this will mean for vet campaigns as they might not be familiar with the system from non-vet. If we let this happen, i think there will be a lot of unhappy players. In fact, I already know a lot from non-vet who were never told how the battle levelling works and have wasted days/thousands of gold gearing pointlessly.

strikeback1247

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it give them the stats of an average v14 in average gear? So if you are fully geared, you still have better stats than the them?

Poxheart

If you think that gear doesn't matter with battleleveled stats, then you haven't been using the right gear.

Truewavesound

WolfgangArmadeus wrote: »

Obviously they should keep vet campaigns for those who enjoy level/CP Advantages and the complete lack of skill it sometimes requires to topple VR1-VR10 opponents who have no choice in the matter if they want to take part in pvp or pve in "pvp" zones with their vr level characters...

I don't think this is the case at all. I am quite competitive on all clases from VR1 as long as I have bothered to gear my character even slightly intelligently. Anyone who is getting facerolled 1on1 is probably a l2p or l2spec issue.

And assuming you are trolling saying "For those who enjoy...advantages", because my posts make it clear that I am talking from the perspective of a levelling VR1-10 char. My reasons are explained quite clearly also.

WolfgangArmadeus

^ note the word "sometimes"

Truewavesound

Poxheart wrote: »

If you think that gear doesn't matter with battleleveled stats, then you haven't been using the right gear.

Poxheart I think you should read my posts and the latest announcements from ZOS re the way battle leveling will work with the vet campaigns soon and then come back. Or just shhhhhh kiddo.

Gear will have 0 effect except SOME 5 piece bonuses and Divines/Sprinting trait. The stats are fixed. I already said that didn't i? Is there an echo? (echo echo)

strikeback1247

Could you please link these new announcements?

Truewavesound

WolfgangArmadeus wrote: »

Obviously they should keep vet campaigns for those who enjoy level/CP Advantages and the complete lack of skill it sometimes requires to topple VR1-VR10 opponents who have no choice in the matter if they want to take part in pvp or pve in "pvp" zones with their vr level characters... want the gear they wear from VR1-13 to matter and enjoy the idea of using sets/gear to be more competitive in the same way we all do at level cap

strikeback1247

Just turn off battle leveling perhaps?

WolfgangArmadeus

^ Note the part where i said "The only difference will be your character race, the gear you choose, the skills you use and your mundus stone"

Truewavesound

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/180480/pvp-update-june-2015#latest

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Just turn off battle leveling perhaps?

Not sure if you have played non-vet campaign mate but if it works the same way and other players are battle levelled they will have ridiculous stats compared to you.

If you switch off Battle Levelling in non-vet, you have 1/4-1/2 the stats of those with it on, no matter how well you are geared.

Truewavesound

WolfgangArmadeus wrote: »

^ Note the part where i said "The only difference will be your character race, the gear you choose, the skills you use and your mundus stone"

Wolfgang, i clearly wasn't disputing that, or that YOU understand how it works. I have very clearly illustrated above how i disagreed with you, in terms of who this would be FOR. Perhaps you should re-read?

Truewavesound

The gear won't make a difference - that has been the entire point. Perhaps you don't understand how the non-vet battle levelling works. I'm signing out now peeps, i'm just repeating myself.

Thanks guys for reading anyway.

strikeback1247

Truewavesound wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/180480/pvp-update-june-2015#latest

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Just turn off battle leveling perhaps?

Not sure if you have played non-vet campaign mate but if it works the same way and other players are battle levelled they will have ridiculous stats compared to you.

If you switch off Battle Levelling in non-vet, you have 1/4-1/2 the stats of those with it on, no matter how well you are geared.

So if the battle leveling is going to be like it is intended, all the players will have the stats of an average v14. If you turn off battle-leveling, it won't be much different from what it's like now. You will still have less stats than most of the players, and you have to focus more on gearing. I don't see a problem.

Eejit1331

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Truewavesound wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/180480/pvp-update-june-2015#latest

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Just turn off battle leveling perhaps?

Not sure if you have played non-vet campaign mate but if it works the same way and other players are battle levelled they will have ridiculous stats compared to you.

If you switch off Battle Levelling in non-vet, you have 1/4-1/2 the stats of those with it on, no matter how well you are geared.

So if the battle leveling is going to be like it is intended, all the players will have the stats of an average v14. If you turn off battle-leveling, it won't be much different from what it's like now. You will still have less stats than most of the players, and you have to focus more on gearing. I don't see a problem.

While we are at it, we might as well do battle leveling for pve as well. Vet DSA and trails for people that don't want to grind and who want instant gratification. That's what this new generation is all about, right...

Joy_Division

Truewavesound wrote: »

This will mean that all V1-V13s will have almost identical stats in campaigns and your gear will make almost no difference. Reasons not to bring this in:

- This will ruin a large part of the game for us pvpers who like to pvp while we level. Many of us love the gearing "mini-game" (see pages and pages on the internet of sites dedicated to gearing your character in clever and innovative ways) - please don't take this away from us!
- 95-99% of V1-V13 gear that has been so lovingly designed, stat balanced, weighted etc by ZOS will become almost useless to large parts of the community and so remain unused/become obsolete - this is sad!
- I don't see any real demand for this change from players and I am struggling to understand any rationale behind this proposed change.

I can somewhat understand the reasoning for this style of battle levelling in the non-vet campaign but it just makes no sense in vet campaigns. Please don't do this!

You are going to sign off because people don't agree with you? LOL. Maybe they understand you fully but are not convinced by your logic.

To your points:

1. Irrelevant. you can just turn battling leveling off. There, now you can still have your gearing "mini-game." And don;t tell me that is unfair to non battle levelers because you said: " I am quite competitive on all clases from VR1 as long as I have bothered to gear my character even slightly intelligently. Anyone who is getting facerolled 1on1 is probably a l2p or l2spec issue."

2. You have it backwards. 95% of the gear in this game is junk and everyone stacks spell/weapon damage. In fact, only through battle-leveling is some of this gear actually worth it. In BwB, I actually have to weigh the advantages of certain 5 piece bonus like fiord's Legacy or hide of the Werewolf since these become viable options via battle-leveling.

3. The disadvantage between a vr1 and max level has been noted many times since BETA. If it hasn't quite got the amount of attention as the other issues in Cyrodiil, that doesn't mean people haven't pointed the power gap out or are not disgruntled their level 49 character suffers a serious nerf when reaching Vr1 in Cyrodiil. I wouldn't have battle-leveled people to max level as my gut feeling is that this mechanism can be abused, but I will reserve judgment until I see it play out.

Phoenix99

Truewavesound wrote: »

This will mean that all V1-V13s will have almost identical stats in campaigns and your gear will make almost no difference. Reasons not to bring this in:

- This will ruin a large part of the game for us pvpers who like to pvp while we level. Many of us love the gearing "mini-game" (see pages and pages on the internet of sites dedicated to gearing your character in clever and innovative ways) - please don't take this away from us!
- 95-99% of V1-V13 gear that has been so lovingly designed, stat balanced, weighted etc by ZOS will become almost useless to large parts of the community and so remain unused/become obsolete - this is sad!
- I don't see any real demand for this change from players and I am struggling to understand any rationale behind this proposed change.

I can somewhat understand the reasoning for this style of battle levelling in the non-vet campaign but it just makes no sense in vet campaigns. Please don't do this!

Yet for some reason the non-vet campaign is regarded the most fun by most players... Coincidence?

SturgeHammer

You know you could just not play battle-level campaigns, right? There is a large enough portion of the pvp community that want it to warrant having a campaign for it, doesn't mean you have to play there.

EDIT: Op is right, I totally missed the point of this topic.

Truewavesound

SturgeHammer wrote: »

You know you could just not play battle-level campaigns, right? There is a large enough portion of the pvp community that want it to warrant having a campaign for it, doesn't mean you have to play there.

Sturge, read the topic.... soon they will ALL be battle levelled.

Truewavesound

Eejit1331 wrote: »

While we are at it, we might as well do battle leveling for pve as well. Vet DSA and trails for people that don't want to grind and who want instant gratification. That's what this new generation is all about, right...

Precisely, eejit. I don't wanna level, i want all of it now!

Phoenix99 wrote: »

Truewavesound wrote: »

This will mean that all V1-V13s will have almost identical stats in campaigns and your gear will make almost no difference. Reasons not to bring this in:

- This will ruin a large part of the game for us pvpers who like to pvp while we level. Many of us love the gearing "mini-game" (see pages and pages on the internet of sites dedicated to gearing your character in clever and innovative ways) - please don't take this away from us!
- 95-99% of V1-V13 gear that has been so lovingly designed, stat balanced, weighted etc by ZOS will become almost useless to large parts of the community and so remain unused/become obsolete - this is sad!
- I don't see any real demand for this change from players and I am struggling to understand any rationale behind this proposed change.

I can somewhat understand the reasoning for this style of battle levelling in the non-vet campaign but it just makes no sense in vet campaigns. Please don't do this!

Yet for some reason the non-vet campaign is regarded the most fun by most players... Coincidence?

Vet campaign is most fun because TTK is down to a reasonable level and there is less zerging.

ToRelax

Truewavesound wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

If you think that gear doesn't matter with battleleveled stats, then you haven't been using the right gear.

Poxheart I think you should read my posts and the latest announcements from ZOS re the way battle leveling will work with the vet campaigns soon and then come back. Or just shhhhhh kiddo.

Gear will have 0 effect except SOME 5 piece bonuses and Divines/Sprinting trait. The stats are fixed. I already said that didn't i? Is there an echo? (echo echo)

In the thread you linked (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/180480/pvp-update-june-2015) there is no moderator comment indicating that gearing will work any different with battle levelling than it does now, and right now it certainly plays a role in BWB.
So can you please link these mysterious announcements now that tell us gearing will be obsolete for low vets when they turn battle levelling on?

Truewavesound

ToRelax wrote: »

Truewavesound wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

If you think that gear doesn't matter with battleleveled stats, then you haven't been using the right gear.

Poxheart I think you should read my posts and the latest announcements from ZOS re the way battle leveling will work with the vet campaigns soon and then come back. Or just shhhhhh kiddo.

Gear will have 0 effect except SOME 5 piece bonuses and Divines/Sprinting trait. The stats are fixed. I already said that didn't i? Is there an echo? (echo echo)

In the thread you linked (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/180480/pvp-update-june-2015) there is no moderator comment indicating that gearing will work any different with battle levelling than it does now, and right now it certainly plays a role in BWB.
So can you please link these mysterious announcements now that tell us gearing will be obsolete for low vets when they turn battle levelling on?

ToRelax, that's how battle levelling works NOW. I (and other players) have already explained the mechanic in this thread. Feel free to google it or just log onto BwB and see.

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ToRelax

Truewavesound wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Truewavesound wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

If you think that gear doesn't matter with battleleveled stats, then you haven't been using the right gear.

Poxheart I think you should read my posts and the latest announcements from ZOS re the way battle leveling will work with the vet campaigns soon and then come back. Or just shhhhhh kiddo.

Gear will have 0 effect except SOME 5 piece bonuses and Divines/Sprinting trait. The stats are fixed. I already said that didn't i? Is there an echo? (echo echo)

In the thread you linked (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/180480/pvp-update-june-2015) there is no moderator comment indicating that gearing will work any different with battle levelling than it does now, and right now it certainly plays a role in BWB.
So can you please link these mysterious announcements now that tell us gearing will be obsolete for low vets when they turn battle levelling on?

ToRelax, that's how battle levelling works NOW. I (and other players) have already explained the mechanic in this thread. Feel free to google it or just log onto BwB and see.

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Ah, so you really don't have damn clue. Oh well.

Truewavesound

Tee hee. ToRelax, you need to read up on this obviously. I'll repeat - in battle levelling your stats (stam, health, magicka, spell damage, weapon damage) and armor/spell resist are FIXED, kiddo. You can go naked or wear full gold sets, they will be the same. The only effect gear has is SOME 5 piece bonuses work and SOME of the traits work (not infused, but divines, well fitted do and 1 or 2 others).

If you're gonna spout off like a goon, get your facts right first...

Like i said, you could have just logged onto BwB and seen. It's quite enjoyable when arrsey smart asses are so sure they are right when they are wrong. This isn't a matter of opinion, but game mechanics...and if you are trolling, well well played, sir.