Wrecking-O-Matic Volume 9 (Stamina DK video)

Xsorus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXOZQjoDndc

Dekkameron

Nice. Your build seems at first glance nearly identicle to my Orsimer Bow/2handed Orsimer DK.

Good ol' Fozzilize

Poxheart

Good stuff.

nothing2591

remove green dragon blood and you will understand how it is to play stamina nightblade

Panda244

WTB Your Stamina Management.

Otherwise nice video.

Xsorus

nothing2591 wrote: »

remove green dragon blood and you will understand how it is to play stamina nightblade

Actually don't run GDB anymore..running Vigor with Rally.

Oughash

Lol wrecking blow is gonna get nerfed and people are gonna cry.

Also, the vigor plus rally heal is stronk.

TheBucket

Oh eso.. How broken you are. lol

Xsorus

TheBucket wrote: »

Oh eso.. How broken you are. lol

Are you implying there is something wrong with Wrecking Blow? heh

ThyIronFist

Don't think any stamina DK should use GBD to be honest, I mean the stamina regen doesn't stack with the 20% regen you get from a Stam pot, so it's pointless, I always have my 20% regen from my Stam pot active as much as possible, and with Igneous shield + Rally + Vigor I heal more than GDB ever could.

IxSTALKERxI

Errmahhgerddd you killed ash, clone, tali and I. *sadface*

Huntler

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

TheBucket wrote: »

Oh eso.. How broken you are. lol

Are you implying there is something wrong with Wrecking Blow? heh

*tear*

frozywozy

Good one!!

I expect a rematch tho When u got me I was out of stam trying to stealth my way through the hordes of DC to siege Bleakers. Could not cc break out of that putrify. Anyway, great video and footage overall.

Suru

Oh man this music from your first vids, made it way morenejoyable to watch haha, good vid as always!

Xsorus

frozywozy wrote: »

Good one!!

I expect a rematch tho When u got me I was out of stam trying to stealth my way through the hordes of DC to siege Bleakers. Could not cc break out of that putrify. Anyway, great video and footage overall.

Yea, if you get caught by fossilize without stamina, you're probably dead..wrecking blow will pretty much 2 or 3 shot ya.

Imdrefan

WTB non CC breaking enemies.

Huntler

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Good one!!

I expect a rematch tho When u got me I was out of stam trying to stealth my way through the hordes of DC to siege Bleakers. Could not cc break out of that putrify. Anyway, great video and footage overall.

Yea, if you get caught by fossilize without stamina, you're probably dead..wrecking blow will pretty much 2 or 3 shot ya.

The bane of my existence

Erock25

@xsorusb14_ESO I am surprised that someone who 2 shots people so often would feel it is even worth their time to complain about Sorcerers so much. In your fight with Ezareth, you started it with about 5% stamina and he had Defensive Rune up and you still made short work of him. Do you honestly feel Sorc shields are still out of balance, especially when compared to your 30k dmg you pull off consistently in 2 global cool downs?

Huntler

Erock25 wrote: »

@xsorusb14_ESO I am surprised that someone who 2 shots people so often would feel it is even worth their time to complain about Sorcerers so much. In your fight with Ezareth, you started it with about 5% stamina and he had Defensive Rune up and you still made short work of him. Do you honestly feel Sorc shields are still out of balance, especially when compared to your 30k dmg you pull off consistently in 2 global cool downs?

Shhh, the first rule of 1.6 is WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT WRECKING BLOW.

Maulkin

Huntler wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

@xsorusb14_ESO I am surprised that someone who 2 shots people so often would feel it is even worth their time to complain about Sorcerers so much. In your fight with Ezareth, you started it with about 5% stamina and he had Defensive Rune up and you still made short work of him. Do you honestly feel Sorc shields are still out of balance, especially when compared to your 30k dmg you pull off consistently in 2 global cool downs?

Shhh, the first rule of 1.6 is WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT WRECKING BLOW.

That's right. We only QQ about Wards, while we melt faces with WB. It's the hip thing to do in 1.6 ^_^

FireCowCommando

The question is... is wrecking blow scaling too hard, or is light armor scaled down too low?

Or is my assumption of being 2/3 shot not exclusive to LA?

I like that the video has examples of people instantly CC breaking, but the animation being so long they still instantly die with no chance to react

Edited for less salt: You are playing it very well! Solid play for sure

Huntler

FireCowCommando wrote: »

The question is... is wrecking blow scaling too hard, or is light armor scaled down too low?

Or is my assumption of being 2/3 shot not exclusive to LA?

I like that the video has examples of people instantly CC breaking, but the animation being so long they still instantly die with no chance to react

Edited for less salt: You are playing it very well! Solid play for sure

Its a combination of issues I think which makes it tough. I have no confirmation, but I swear to all that is holy that wrecking blow does more damage through block than like any ability in the game. Don't know how or why, but it feels like it does. Comparing it with crystal, which does like no damage when I block it is very confusing. It is definitely a balance mistake to put a CC on a skill line's strongest dps ability as well, its just asking to be broken. Combine that with uninterrupted and the stun break animation (like you said) taking too long... you're dead regardless of what you do.

Maulkin

Huntler wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

The question is... is wrecking blow scaling too hard, or is light armor scaled down too low?

Or is my assumption of being 2/3 shot not exclusive to LA?

I like that the video has examples of people instantly CC breaking, but the animation being so long they still instantly die with no chance to react

Edited for less salt: You are playing it very well! Solid play for sure

Its a combination of issues I think which makes it tough. I have no confirmation, but I swear to all that is holy that wrecking blow does more damage through block than like any ability in the game. Don't know how or why, but it feels like it does. Comparing it with crystal, which does like no damage when I block it is very confusing. It is definitely a balance mistake to put a CC on a skill line's strongest dps ability as well, its just asking to be broken. Combine that with uninterrupted and the stun break animation (like you said) taking too long... you're dead regardless of what you do.

If you're using s&b there's a passive that allow you to block 15% more from projectiles. Maybe that's why you block more from Frags.

I have no issues with WB. It's very very strong but I think it's balanced considering the Wards I can cast or the amount of dodge-rolling stamina builds can do. Which is why I find it absurd when people want Wards nerfed.

I don't think they should remove the CC either. If they did I would just tank it with wards, but now I have to actually block or face certain death from the CC. Which makes me balance my build with more stamina regen so that i can actually afford to block more that 2-3 hits.

frozywozy

Huntler wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

The question is... is wrecking blow scaling too hard, or is light armor scaled down too low?

Or is my assumption of being 2/3 shot not exclusive to LA?

I like that the video has examples of people instantly CC breaking, but the animation being so long they still instantly die with no chance to react

Edited for less salt: You are playing it very well! Solid play for sure

Its a combination of issues I think which makes it tough. I have no confirmation, but I swear to all that is holy that wrecking blow does more damage through block than like any ability in the game. Don't know how or why, but it feels like it does. Comparing it with crystal, which does like no damage when I block it is very confusing. It is definitely a balance mistake to put a CC on a skill line's strongest dps ability as well, its just asking to be broken. Combine that with uninterrupted and the stun break animation (like you said) taking too long... you're dead regardless of what you do.

Exactly, abilities that are supposed to disable &/or root &/or set off balance should never deal high damage (above 9k). But in my opinion, the surprise attack + soul harvest combo is much worse than wreckinblow spam. I would be curious to watch xsorus against sunshine in duel. Too bad they're both DC!

Huntler

frozywozy wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

The question is... is wrecking blow scaling too hard, or is light armor scaled down too low?

Or is my assumption of being 2/3 shot not exclusive to LA?

I like that the video has examples of people instantly CC breaking, but the animation being so long they still instantly die with no chance to react

Edited for less salt: You are playing it very well! Solid play for sure

Its a combination of issues I think which makes it tough. I have no confirmation, but I swear to all that is holy that wrecking blow does more damage through block than like any ability in the game. Don't know how or why, but it feels like it does. Comparing it with crystal, which does like no damage when I block it is very confusing. It is definitely a balance mistake to put a CC on a skill line's strongest dps ability as well, its just asking to be broken. Combine that with uninterrupted and the stun break animation (like you said) taking too long... you're dead regardless of what you do.

Exactly, abilities that are supposed to disable &/or root &/or set off balance should never deal high damage (above 9k). But in my opinion, the surprise attack + soul harvest combo is much worse than wreckinblow spam. I would be curious to watch xsorus against sunshine in duel.

Definition of a wombo combo there really, a few too many these days I think... Once again goes to my concerns we just have builds were we 1-2 shot people that anyone can do so we always get that tasty glorification of our egos .



As to what mike said, I have said it many times, but as the game goes on.... a reckoning is coming with dodge roll.... just a few more champ points for some people and its going to be ridiculous . Guess we'll see!!

silentdude

Nice vid!!!

Petrify+WB clearly not a broken combination. Not to mention the non existent sustain, evasion and power through vigor, momentum, stam regen and dodge rolls.

#nerfmagickabuffstamina
#magickasucks

Ezareth

Erock25 wrote: »

@xsorusb14_ESO I am surprised that someone who 2 shots people so often would feel it is even worth their time to complain about Sorcerers so much. In your fight with Ezareth, you started it with about 5% stamina and he had Defensive Rune up and you still made short work of him. Do you honestly feel Sorc shields are still out of balance, especially when compared to your 30k dmg you pull off consistently in 2 global cool downs?

The best part is I just came from an Ayelid well buff too.

Several things to note in that fight. First I took him for a NB as I just saw someone with a bow so I popped a detection pot which was my first mistake as I killed any bonus stamina or stamina recovery that I rely on. Second (and this isn't clear in the video) I reflected his meteor which he then reflected back at me. The problem with meteor is after it is reflected twice it becomes invisible and I didn't know that and couldn't see it so not only did I not block the reflected meteor I sat in the dot which then killed me.

He actually instaggibed me a bit earlier to with his bow as well. One second I was alive with full health and shields the next I was dead and the *only* thing in my death recap was a 12,000 damage camo hunter proc. That made a nice screen shot.

Anyways entertaining video and great fights Xsorus. Your build exemplifies that I've been trying to say both about damage shields and stamina cost-reduction enchants.

frozywozy

Ezareth wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

@xsorusb14_ESO I am surprised that someone who 2 shots people so often would feel it is even worth their time to complain about Sorcerers so much. In your fight with Ezareth, you started it with about 5% stamina and he had Defensive Rune up and you still made short work of him. Do you honestly feel Sorc shields are still out of balance, especially when compared to your 30k dmg you pull off consistently in 2 global cool downs?

The best part is I just came from an Ayelid well buff too.

Several things to note in that fight. First I took him for a NB as I just saw someone with a bow so I popped a detection pot which was my first mistake as I killed any bonus stamina or stamina recovery that I rely on. Second (and this isn't clear in the video) I reflected his meteor which he then reflected back at me. The problem with meteor is after it is reflected twice it becomes invisible and I didn't know that and couldn't see it so not only did I not block the reflected meteor I sat in the dot which then killed me.

He actually instaggibed me a bit earlier to with his bow as well. One second I was alive with full health and shields the next I was dead and the *only* thing in my death recap was a 12,000 damage camo hunter proc. That made a nice screen shot.

Anyways entertaining video and great fights Xsorus. Your build exemplifies that I've been trying to say both about damage shields and stamina cost-reduction enchants.

The camo hunter proc death recap bug has been going since release of the game. When camo hunter procs, it tends to hide some details (hits, damage, abilities involved, etc).

Maulkin

Ezareth wrote: »

Several things to note in that fight. First I took him for a NB as I just saw someone with a bow so I popped a detection pot which was my first mistake as I killed any bonus stamina or stamina recovery that I rely on. Second (and this isn't clear in the video) I reflected his meteor which he then reflected back at me. The problem with meteor is after it is reflected twice it becomes invisible and I didn't know that and couldn't see it so not only did I not block the reflected meteor I sat in the dot which then killed me.

As a serial reflecter of Meteors I get done by this as well from time to time. Reflecting a meteor once, creates a very visible animation where the meteor "lobs" back towards the caster. If however the caster also had a reflect up, the meteor disappears for what seems a completely random amount of time. Maybe has to do with distance or lag but since it's invis it's impossible to know when it will land.

Eventually X seconds later you get magically thrown in the air and the ground illuminates, with no sound or visuals warning you of the incoming hit. One for the "to fix" list I guess...

And yes without pots giving you stamina regen, you're fooked against a 2Her.

NoRefunds

To be honest with heavy armor and blocking i almost take 0 damage from wrecking blow, the problem is that when you get fossilized you can still get stunned again from WB, even during the break free animation as you can see in the video, and even if you break the stun you are rooted, that is a bit too much CC imo....

frozywozy

NoRefunds wrote: »

To be honest with heavy armor and blocking i almost take 0 damage from wrecking blow, the problem is that when you get fossilized you can still get stunned again from WB, even during the break free animation as you can see in the video, and even if you break the stun you are rooted, that is a bit too much CC imo....

Indeed. All different disable and root abilities should be regrouped in different categories and have diminishing returns added to them like all the oher mmos out there. CC immunity is one thing but a root should not give cc immunity to a stun ability or a stun should not give cc immunity to a fear ability so yeah.