[BUG] Templar Eclipse (and morphs) disables any action.

Phinix1

There is currently a bug with this ability on live. This is confirmed for the Total Dark morph by myself (see video below). When a target's spell is blocked/absorbed, you are completely disabled from any attack or spell including basic light and heavy attacks until the spell runs out or the target dies.

For the test I am continuously auto-attacking, but as I said this affects ALL attacks and spells.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA3HiFqz5E0

technohic

It's both morphs. There was another thread about it a while back. Hope they fix it as it is one of my favorite abilities.

Tonnopesce

I belive it is only related to the fact that the imp where using a channel attak since the side effect disappere just after the imp stop his channel try on a different type of mobs and see what happen

Phinix1

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

I belive it is only related to the fact that the imp where using a channel attak since the side effect disappere just after the imp stop his channel try on a different type of mobs and see what happen

Nope, that just happened to be what was happening in the video. I tested it on numerous mobs, and on these imps when they were not channeling, and had the same problem.

Even if it were just on channeling attacks it would still be a bug, since those channeling attacks without any other spell do not cause you to lose the ability to attack.

Phinix1

Just an aside, but this makes two abilities for Templar that are essentially working FOR your enemy in PVP!

First Jabs is giving your opponents free permanent CC immunity, and 2nd, an ability that is supposed to damage your enemy when they cast spells at you is actually causing YOU to not be able to attack!

O.o

TequilaFire

Yep, I noticed this, very frustrating when facing a pack of mobs after casting Eclipse on one of them.

Sandmanninja

When a target's spell is blocked/absorbed, you are completely disabled from any attack or spell including basic light and heavy attacks until the spell runs out or the target dies.

I was wondering why I was unable to do anything! Thanks for the heads up

Cinbri

Buged since first days of 1.6 pts...

Phinix1

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ... Can we get some dev attention on this one?

The ability is currently unusable in its present state.

Kromus

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Just an aside, but this makes two abilities for Templar that are essentially working FOR your enemy in PVP!

First Jabs is giving your opponents free permanent CC immunity, and 2nd, an ability that is supposed to damage your enemy when they cast spells at you is actually causing YOU to not be able to attack!

O.o

Focused charge is third. It has internal cooldown of one second or so, which due to lag can go up to 1.5-2 seconds of unable to cast anything after charge.

Keron

That is just compensation for that other skill, dubbed "you know what"

Just kidding, take it as the joke it was meant to be

derpsticks

I would love to be using explosive charge. I didn't invest the skill points into it since the patch since I figured it would still be broken. I ended up wanting to try it. Big mistake and a waste of two skill points.

At the very least I wish it were possible to weapon swap during the cooldown period.

From 1.6.5 patch notes:

Focused Charge
Slightly reduced the post-global cooldown for this ability, making it feel more responsive.

The skill is not responsive at all. Why even have the cooldown? Worst case, there is some build that could wreck if this was spammed over and over. In that case just make the skill cost more and more after each successive use. This skill could be so much more and would be prefect for PVP now that the aoe caps are fixed.

technohic

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ... Can we get some dev attention on this one?

The ability is currently unusable in its present state.

LOL I was waiting until today and enough time for them to get their morning coffee to make sure I mention them. Really hope they at least confirm they are looking at it. Love the skill and its bad enough that it respects CC immunity to even be applied at all.

danno8

Just a fact of life with playing a Templar it seems.

I recall in 1.5 using the following skills was frowned upon or hurt the Templar:

1. Dark Flare - frowned upon due to healing debuff stacking
2. Blazing Spear- Frowned upon due to chain stunning
3. Toppling Charge - Stuns you for just as long as the target - only caster can't cc break out of it, lol.
4. Puncturing Strikes- Frowned upon for chain knockback

In 1.6, 1 and 2 were fixed, while 3 remains a problem, 4 has a new problem (free cc for .5 second knockback) and now we have a new one in the topic of this thread.

I wonder if all the people who power leveled a Templar in anticipation of Radiant Destruction have come to realize the drawbacks of being a Templar.

Rook_Master

At least Blazing Spear is a true stun. It's ridiculous that Jabs gives CC immunity without a CC Break.

As for this new bug, I'm left shaking my head. It's already worthless in PvE because the stronger mobs are immune.

Now there's no reason to have it on my bar.

bg22

Experiencing this as well.

bg22

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom This is rather important... And I'm unable to find anywhere that a dev has acknowledged this as of yet.

glak

Rook_Master wrote: »

At least Blazing Spear is a true stun. It's ridiculous that Jabs gives CC immunity without a CC Break.

As for this new bug, I'm left shaking my head. It's already worthless in PvE because the stronger mobs are immune.

Now there's no reason to have it on my bar.

^ because players just break out of it.

Great, first our charge stuns us, then puncturing strikes gives our opponent free reign with every one of our buddies, finally if we're not dead yet, eclipse disables everything while the enemy breaks out of it. No wonder they don't want to give players more XP in Cyrodiil.

Now I know why they won't even increase the PvE XP in Cyrodiil to spread out players... Some band of PvE-oriented Templars using all the correct skills could hand out flawless victories over and over again without violating the terms of service at all.

Joy_Division

My guess is that it is the healing morph. I have used the damaging morph and do not recall having the same issues you are describing in the OP.

technohic

Joy_Division wrote: »

My guess is that it is the healing morph. I have used the damaging morph and do not recall having the same issues you are describing in the OP.

I will have to test, but I think I have had it happen on both. There is a certain caster based mob I can go test on that makes it happen often that I will go try when I get off work and get the kids settled in later.

glak

technohic wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

My guess is that it is the healing morph. I have used the damaging morph and do not recall having the same issues you are describing in the OP.

I will have to test, but I think I have had it happen on both. There is a certain caster based mob I can go test on that makes it happen often that I will go try when I get off work and get the kids settled in later.

I also believe the lockout happens upon reflect, as if the Templar is channeling. Does blocking after cast stop this particular "channel"?

Get this: I can still use any Dawn's Wrath ability during this "channel" and it makes RD go into full execute mode on the affected target during the reflect.

technohic

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno Any word on this?

AriBoh

OMFG I knew something was up when I was leveling this to try counter shield spammers. Thought the lag was just creeping into pve. Yet another Templar skill that doesn't work, yet another Templar problem ignored by ZOS. Are we beating NBs for most broken skills yet?

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno can we get some of that (completely unneeded) attention you've been showering on sorcs here?

technohic

Just got done testing Unstable Core to be sure. It works just FINE! So long as you use it on a non caster. lol

No seriously; if I cast it on a bow using NPC or Melee NPC, no problems. Magicka based NPC? Problem. Seems to be ok when they are just hitting you, but as soon as they use a spell (which is the entire point in having eclipse!) I cannot even light attack and sometimes am locked out of doing anything until it bursts.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @zos _anyoneelse; you can see it easily by casting eclipse morphs on Stonetalon Witchman in Rift. It doesn't always happen but damned near always.

Cinbri

Reported this bug on pts and told my friend to do the same to be sure that ZOS checking it. I think ZOS just can't figure out the reason that cause that bug.
BTW wanna ask testers - on pts if you casted charge while eclipsed you get an insta snare on you that dissapearing only afte relog. Does this bug still here?

AriBoh

~_~

Sukenlihol

After Two Patches, ZO didn't make anything about this.

Guys, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. Using ECLIPSE & MORPHS is dangerous in combat and useless for now.

Do something or say something please..

Anyone is there? Hello?

Phinix1

I have /bug reported it in-game. About all we can do at this point.

technohic

Yeah, I have bugged it once not knowing why my abilities were not going off and another time when I realized it was eclipse causing it.

This sucks as I loved this ability for so many reasons when I saw the right opportunities. but it leaves me too vulnerable and unable to defend myself as is. Need to find another utility to slot.

AriBoh

Lets us pray to the beam that someone at @ZOS actually gets to read some Templar bug threads through the crown store fuss.

Epiphany

I just noticed this thread after submitting a ticket and reporting this problem in game. I am using the Unstable Core morph. I'm glad to see that it's not just my character that's bugged.