Imperial City - Should it be a paid DLC?

Enodoc

There's lots of threads about this already, but no poll yet... so I would like to see your opinion on whether you think the Imperial City should be an item of "special, optional downloadable content available for purchase", or one of the "regular updates and new gameplay [...] free of additional charges".

Note that this is not a poll for what you expect to happen, it's a poll for what you would like to see.

Enodoc

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

I tried to avoid any bias in the poll question, so that I could put my bias down here.

First of all, there has been no confirmation either way on whether IC will be paid content or not. I would like to put forward the case to ZOS on why it should not be, and why it should be free to everyone under the promise of "regular updates and new gameplay [that] will be offered to all players to enjoy free of additional charges", as essential "new gameplay" for PvP rather than the paid-for "optional extras".

They said, when giving examples of paid DLC, that they would be scaled to your level and accessible straight away when you buy them. This cannot happen with IC, as you have to own all the Home Keeps to get in. Meaning, even if you own the content, you may not be able to access it. Conversely, those who do not own it would not be able to get in despite spending hours earning the access in Cyrodiil.

Also, the amount of info we have been given about it, and the length of time we have been waiting for it for, considering it is supposed to be part of the main PvP experience, would suggest to me that it would be more appropriate as one of the "regular updates [which is] free of additional charges".

kieso

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

who would say no to free stuff?!

Paske

It will be paying DLC

Sorry scrub

Enodoc

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

kieso wrote: »

who would say no to free stuff?!

I'm sure some people will present the case, perhaps from a ZOS standpoint, why they may want to make it paid DLC. I'd be interested to hear how a paid-DLC standpoint addresses the issues I suggested that would cause. (Even if they themselves vote No, they may still be able to present a case for Yes.)

Kraven

Doesn't matter if it should or should not be.
It will be. Already said the only thing you're getting for free is 1.6 update. Which means they may or may not charge for the finishing touches of Champ and Justice system since 1.6 is just the base of those two.

Imperial City?
Wrothgar?
Spell Crafting?
Clockwork City?

All paid DLC. It's their new way to make money so how can they afford to give it away for free? Maybe you'll get lucky and Imp City will come with some other aspect so that you get 2 pieces of content in 1 DLC, best you can hope for.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

Yes, Imperial City should be a paid DLC

yep it should be for f2p

Slurg

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

I think it should be included as gameplay to show PVP- ers some love and- it's been planned for a long time.

But I strongly suspect it has been held back so it can be in the first or second DLC package.

Edit: Because money.

kieso

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

Enodoc wrote: »

kieso wrote: »

who would say no to free stuff?!

I'm sure some people will present the case, perhaps from a ZOS standpoint, why they may want to make it paid DLC. I'd be interested to hear how a paid-DLC standpoint addresses the issues I suggested that would cause. (Even if they themselves vote No, they may still be able to present a case for Yes.)

well those people suck!

Exstazik

Yes, Imperial City should be a paid DLC

Yes.Also it should be a gift for 6+ month subscribers(DLC)

Hortator Mopa

Nothing is free, sub and then pay for cash shop items to stay top tier and thennnnnn pay for dlcs.

Or leave..

Yep fun.

treborrealb14_ESO

Yes, Imperial City should be a paid DLC

Not knowing what the city will have to offer I said "Yes" due to my thinking Zos will make it pay to use.
Also if it has to be directly entered thru Cyrodiil then I definitely don't wish to have the extra bodies flooding the zone to lag out the servers any more then they are to go to a instanced city

we shall see but for now YES paid DL

ZigoSid

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

That should be the last real content for free. If not, that means it will release after March 17th and it's too long

PunXt3rr0r

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

I think it should be free as it is part of Cyrodil, which is free to go in. If there is a DLC for PVP, it should be some kind of arena in the worst case.
The 3 factions fight should stay free for all.

I'll get ESO+ but I think there should be free content, PVP and PVE, for people who can't afford it.

rophez_ESO

Yes, Imperial City should be a paid DLC

I just voted yes, because I'm 99% sure it will be a DLC. It just makes sense for their B2P model, and the fact that there's been no mention of it arriving before the B2P switch, or console release.

Desdemonte

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

It's already been developed with our dollars, thus should be free. Definitely not holding my breath though.

Frenkthevile

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

IMHO it was ready since last year's april

nerevarine1138

Kraven wrote: »

Doesn't matter if it should or should not be.
It will be. Already said the only thing you're getting for free is 1.6 update. Which means they may or may not charge for the finishing touches of Champ and Justice system since 1.6 is just the base of those two.

That's a ridiculous assertion.

How would you lock things like the elimination of VR behind a paygate? DLC that will require some kind of payment is going to be in the form of new zones, dungeons, etc. You know, things that can actually be charged for.

People really need to read up on how a buy-to-play system works.

WillhelmBlack

Yes, Imperial City should be a paid DLC

Yes if you are a non-sub. If you are a sub then of course not as all content is free, always has been.

Enodoc

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

Kraven wrote: »

Doesn't matter if it should or should not be.
It will be. Already said the only thing you're getting for free is 1.6 update. Which means they may or may not charge for the finishing touches of Champ and Justice system since 1.6 is just the base of those two.

Imperial City?
Wrothgar?
Spell Crafting?
Clockwork City?

All paid DLC. It's their new way to make money so how can they afford to give it away for free? Maybe you'll get lucky and Imp City will come with some other aspect so that you get 2 pieces of content in 1 DLC, best you can hope for.

There is no proof of that. I specifically quoted the part that says there will still be some free gameplay. Here it is again: "regular updates and new gameplay will be offered to all players to enjoy free of additional charges".
From your list, Spellcrafting should also definitely be free gameplay.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Yes if you are a non-sub. If you are a sub then of course not as all content is free, always has been.

Sure, but that's implicit. All members of ESO Plus get access to the paid DLC.

Joejudas

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

i think if its a keep that requires taking like Arrius...they need to make it accessible. anything extra in the city though like PvE dungeons could be behind a pay wall. PVP people havent had anything added since launch. It should probably just be free. Im in a huge pvp guild....and i would hate to leave half the guild at the door during a pvp event cause there is a sign on the door that says " pay me money"

Enodoc

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

Joejudas wrote: »

i think if its a keep that requires taking like Arrius...they need to make it accessible. anything extra in the city though like PvE dungeons could be behind a pay wall. PVP people havent had anything added since launch. It should probably just be free. Im in a huge pvp guild....and i would hate to leave half the guild at the door during a pvp event cause there is a sign on the door that says " pay me money"

Yeah I'd be fine with that as well. Access to the city for everyone who's earned it, but White-Gold Tower/Imperial Prison dungeons as DLC.

Skorner64

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

I made a lengthy post on the Imperial City update in the alliance war section of the forums, explaining why I think the Imperial City is a Core mechanic of PVP in Cyrodiil, and should NOT be put behind a PAYWALL. Please check it out: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/147700/wait-you-want-incentive-in-your-pvp-never#latest

Joejudas

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

Skorner64 wrote: »

I made a lengthy post on the Imperial City update in the alliance war section of the forums, explaining why I think the Imperial City is a Core mechanic of PVP in Cyrodiil, and should NOT be put behind a PAYWALL. Please check it out: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/147700/wait-you-want-incentive-in-your-pvp-never#latest

Thanks headed there now

Enodoc

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

Skorner64 wrote: »

I made a lengthy post on the Imperial City update in the alliance war section of the forums, explaining why I think the Imperial City is a Core mechanic of PVP in Cyrodiil, and should NOT be put behind a PAYWALL. Please check it out: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/147700/wait-you-want-incentive-in-your-pvp-never#latest

Thanks for linking!

For anyone who said Yes: I am wondering your reasons for that, and how you would counter the potential issues described in my second post (right under the OP) and in the linked post by Skorner64.

Elloa

Yes, Imperial City should be a paid DLC

Zenimax being forced to go B2P need revenues to compensate no more subscription fee, and I prefer them making money with quality DLC than cash shop stuff.

SirKeka

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

7 months of dry period with no content, what-so-ever, we will literally have to wait for around 12 months to play something new, they should at least give us SOMETHING, for the sake of us, who have been supporting the game for so long.

Garwulf

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Kraven wrote: »

Doesn't matter if it should or should not be.
It will be. Already said the only thing you're getting for free is 1.6 update. Which means they may or may not charge for the finishing touches of Champ and Justice system since 1.6 is just the base of those two.

That's a ridiculous assertion.

How would you lock things like the elimination of VR behind a paygate? DLC that will require some kind of payment is going to be in the form of new zones, dungeons, etc. You know, things that can actually be charged for.

People really need to read up on how a buy-to-play system works.

Yes I also find it hard to believe the removal of the VR system could be accomplished only under paid content only . It would mean that some would have VR 14 1.6 characters and others non VR characters post 1.7. Of course this assumes that Zenimax can even remove the VR system without totally screwing the game.

Aevric

From this point on, count on everything except bug fixes to cost cash.
Several system aspects that were promised at conventions/expos/media releases are now being labeled as doubtful/slim chance (i.e. spellcrafting and Justice system PvP). You can count on dev resources being channeled to cash shop items and DLC for sale.

Gyudan

No, Imperial City should be free additional gameplay

I think that they're already planning to give it for free as a "grand gesture" for the current subscribers. This way everyone will be happy and all discontent will go away. Rainbows and unicorns everywhere! [/sarcasm]
Why else would it be kept out of the promo video?

Iago

Aevric wrote: »

From this point on, count on everything except bug fixes to cost cash.
Several system aspects that were promised at conventions/expos/media releases are now being labeled as doubtful/slim chance (i.e. spellcrafting and Justice system PvP). You can count on dev resources being channeled to cash shop items and DLC for sale.

sad but true.