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Nameplates are VITAL for the gameplay, add them back.
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EternalDiva✭✭✭I hate nameplates floating over people. besides you can see who the person is by putting your curser over them and just bothering to look UP just like you do to see what anything else is called. in every game where the stupid name plates are floating around I either wont play or if I can turn them off I turn them off. I dont want to see who you are unless I right click to choose to interact.2 -
Jogi1✭✭I personally don't like the idea of floating info bars. No matter how urgently you need the info of players around you, or how badly you want to know the out or incoming damage. I am very glad that ESO differs from other MMO games, no idea of making every MMO game look alike."Anon us most soon again, for sooth."
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Eliran✭✭✭✭✭@Ace_SiN @leonheart87 @Draconiuos stop that INVALID argue, they won't effect any difference at PVP as Health Bars are ALREADY doing that.2 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Ace_SiN @leonheart87 @Draconiuos stop that INVALID argue, they won't effect any difference at PVP as Health Bars are ALREADY doing that.
Exactly.
A RED BAR OVER YOUR HEAD IS MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR PLAYERS TO SEE YOU!
I have all the bars on , all the time , hell i have the bar even for my chars."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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TieFighter✭✭✭just say no to name plates, i appreciate eso for the originality- we dont need peoples douchy names and/or guild tags hovering everywhere in a world that is supposed to be realistic as possibleDa'Hui DC imperial mage dragonknight(retired but retained)
Hand Saryn Valor EP dunmer templar(mage/healer)
Pergan Asuul AD dunmer dragonknight(dps firemage)
Mi'Mosa EP imperial nightblade(stamina)
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TieFighter wrote: »just say no to name plates, i appreciate eso for the originality- we don't need peoples douchy names and/or guild tags hovering everywhere in a world that is supposed to be realistic as possible
If they Re enabled the OPTION (it was in beta) you could always you know turn it OFF, then you wouldn't See any of those "douchy names and/or guild tags hovering everywhere" as you put it because you would have it turned OFF.Edited by uktitanb16_ESO on April 13, 2014 10:17AM1 -
Eliran✭✭✭✭✭Also in Nameplates simply make them the name of the Character and not Tags names, to those who complain about it.
Personally I don't want to see tags either, just the Character name.0 -
Ace_SiN✭✭✭✭@Ace_SiN @leonheart87 @Draconiuos stop that INVALID argue, they won't effect any difference at PVP as Health Bars are ALREADY doing that.
Wrong. You see it as invalid because you insist on pushing your bias agenda. By default we all have alliance tags over our heads, yet you can still duck into a corner and hide. By "your sides" very argument you already use health bars, yet a player can still hide in a corner while still detected with reasonable success.
Why is this? It's simple, you don't have a huge billboard over your head and the current indicators can easily be overlooked.
There are no need for nameplates as it will hurt the PvP experience. The chance of hiding in plain sight will effectively diminish to 0.
Stop using your counter-argument, because it's already being proven invalid everyday.Edited by Ace_SiN on April 13, 2014 4:51PMKing of Beasts0 -
Eliran✭✭✭✭✭@Ace_SiN
And it is clear that you have no idea about High End PVP in ANY game and that I tell you as a Player with feats such as Global Elite in Counter Strike, Diamond in League of Legends and the one I am most proud of, Multi Gladiator/HoTA + Rank 1 in WoW.
Currently I look forward in play at least the next 6 years if not more in ESO and therefore I want it to improve it and make it perfect and so far the only thing I am missing is nameplates, if you had any idea about competative high end pvp MMOs such as those mentioned above, you wouldn't behave with so much egoism.
And once again, your point is invalid, trust me, the Health bars are more than enough for me to track you down from 300 yards distance even if your behind a stone, would you like to hide? just click CTRL and tada your in stealth, no one bothers you, now stop flaming.0 -
TroothSoul ShrivenMake it an option. With that said it is not vital and I would leave it off 99% of the time. This isn't 2004, I don't need hundreds of name tags all over my screen in cyrodill.0
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Ace_SiN✭✭✭✭@Ace_SiN
And it is clear that you have no idea about High End PVP in ANY game and that I tell you as a Player with feats such as Global Elite in Counter Strike, Diamond in League of Legends and the one I am most proud of, Multi Gladiator/HoTA + Rank 1 in WoW.
Currently I look forward in play at least the next 6 years if not more in ESO and therefore I want it to improve it and make it perfect and so far the only thing I am missing is nameplates, if you had any idea about competative high end pvp MMOs such as those mentioned above, you wouldn't behave with so much egoism.
And once again, your point is invalid, trust me, the Health bars are more than enough for me to track you down from 300 yards distance even if your behind a stone, would you like to hide? just click CTRL and tada your in stealth, no one bothers you, now stop flaming.
Go play Darkfall and then come talk to me about "High End PvP" for a MMO. The fact that you are proud of lolWoW and league of legend PvP is hilarious. CS is the only thing worth talking about and that's not a MMO.
Please just stop. You have no clue what you are talking about. Floating billboards are not vital for High End PvP and never will be. The only thing ESO might be missing is a way to identify the commander easier.Edited by Ace_SiN on April 13, 2014 8:45PMKing of Beasts1 -
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✭jmedens.webub17_ESO wrote: »Make it an option. With that said it is not vital and I would leave it off 99% of the time. This isn't 2004, I don't need hundreds of name tags all over my screen in cyrodill.
Yup that is the resonable response , to give the players a choice , nobody is saying you must have those , but it would make many player happier to have them.@Ace_SiN
And it is clear that you have no idea about High End PVP in ANY game and that I tell you as a Player with feats such as Global Elite in Counter Strike, Diamond in League of Legends and the one I am most proud of, Multi Gladiator/HoTA + Rank 1 in WoW.
Currently I look forward in play at least the next 6 years if not more in ESO and therefore I want it to improve it and make it perfect and so far the only thing I am missing is nameplates, if you had any idea about competative high end pvp MMOs such as those mentioned above, you wouldn't behave with so much egoism.
And once again, your point is invalid, trust me, the Health bars are more than enough for me to track you down from 300 yards distance even if your behind a stone, would you like to hide? just click CTRL and tada your in stealth, no one bothers you, now stop flaming.
Go play Darkfall and then come talk to me about "High End PvP" for a MMO. The fact that you are proud of lolWoW and league of legend PvP is hilarious. CS is the only thing worth talking about and that's not a MMO.
Please just stop. You have no clue what you are talking about. Floating billboards are not vital for High End PvP and never will be. The only thing ESO might be missing is a way to identify the commander easier.
Ok , new ADDON i need , , in some way i need it to make other player quite visible in my screen , from now on , i will murder each every single ... behind i rock i find , hell , i will relog and tell the other faction if i see any in my main faction doing it.
Will be awesome."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Zokten✭
Go play Darkfall and then come talk to me about "High End PvP" for a MMO. The fact that you are proud of lolWoW and league of legend PvP is hilarious. CS is the only thing worth talking about and that's not a MMO.
Please just stop. You have no clue what you are talking about. Floating billboards are not vital for High End PvP and never will be. The only thing ESO might be missing is a way to identify the commander easier.
Sorry but ESO is not a "High end pvp" mmo, so trying to bring Darkfall (which screwed up hard) into this is pretty terrible.
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Go play Darkfall and then come talk to me about "High End PvP" for a MMO. The fact that you are proud of lolWoW and league of legend PvP is hilarious. CS is the only thing worth talking about and that's not a MMO.
Please just stop. You have no clue what you are talking about. Floating billboards are not vital for High End PvP and never will be. The only thing ESO might be missing is a way to identify the commander easier.
Sorry but ESO is not a "High end pvp" mmo, so trying to bring Darkfall (which screwed up hard) into this is pretty terrible.
Darkfall screwed up in a lot of ways, but combat was never one of them. No other MMORPG combat system has been able to match that level of skill required to be decent(let alone good). Besides, I'm not the one that brought up High End PvP. He brought up WoW and LoL as if they are high end PvP games and I have no clue about that "level".
Epeens aside, I still maintain my stance that nameplates are not vital.Edited by Ace_SiN on April 13, 2014 9:42PMKing of Beasts0 -
Hoylegu✭✭✭Just my two copper, begging for nameplates. It IS a social game, not a stand-alone ES title. And, if you don't like them, TURN THEM OFF. Options are never bad, as long as they aren't imbalancing. And nameplates aren't imbalancing. You can already see the red health bar above enemies in PvP.0 -
Draconiuos✭✭✭Health bars aren't actually that big and you usually can't see them around objects. They don't show up until you are really close. They are easy to over look. The nameplates would be able to be seen over the top of cover that is put there to help people ambush other people. Hitting ctrl doesn't always work if someone can see you.
Personally the unwillingness of the OP to compromise just proves his bias. I could live with an option that gave you name plates in pve, but leave them out of pvp.
Also, bringing up CS and LOL into a MMORPG pvp discussion is just funny. Those are two separate genres from ESO, one is a FPS and the other is a MOBA. If you wanted to see some mass pvp should have played Shadowbane, but OP seems a little young to have been able to play that one.0 -
AltrosSoul ShrivenWhy not make an option that turns on nameplates for people of your alliance? Make it an option so that people who don't like them (myself included) can leave them off, but in PvP they don't show up over enemy combatants since they're in a different alliance.Edited by Altros on April 14, 2014 4:59AM2 -
Draconiuos✭✭✭
I could go with that. That is a good idea.Why not make an option that turns on nameplates for people of your alliance? Make it an option so that people who don't like them (myself included) can leave them off, but in PvP they don't show up over enemy combatants since they're in a different alliance.
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Eliran✭✭✭✭✭@Ace_SiN@Ace_SiN
And it is clear that you have no idea about High End PVP in ANY game and that I tell you as a Player with feats such as Global Elite in Counter Strike, Diamond in League of Legends and the one I am most proud of, Multi Gladiator/HoTA + Rank 1 in WoW.
Currently I look forward in play at least the next 6 years if not more in ESO and therefore I want it to improve it and make it perfect and so far the only thing I am missing is nameplates, if you had any idea about competative high end pvp MMOs such as those mentioned above, you wouldn't behave with so much egoism.
And once again, your point is invalid, trust me, the Health bars are more than enough for me to track you down from 300 yards distance even if your behind a stone, would you like to hide? just click CTRL and tada your in stealth, no one bothers you, now stop flaming.
Go play Darkfall and then come talk to me about "High End PvP" for a MMO. The fact that you are proud of lolWoW and league of legend PvP is hilarious. CS is the only thing worth talking about and that's not a MMO.
Please just stop. You have no clue what you are talking about. Floating billboards are not vital for High End PvP and never will be. The only thing ESO might be missing is a way to identify the commander easier.
Lol first of all, LoL does require skill and about x10 times more than CS.
Second, WoW require situation based thinking in order to counter, I agree that it is easy to move and all but in many cases timings of abilities with 5 seconds rotation are difference between life and death (PVP wise that is).
Third, CS IS MMO, aka Massive Multiplayer Online! That said, 200k players people play at the same time and 2.5m unique accounts per week are more than eough to be called MMO. ESO however is MMORPG so please don't correct me if you have no idea what MMO is.
CS is purely based on fast reaction, knowledge of the map your playing at and above all fast and accurate cursor aimming, CS is in NO WAY require high knowledge of thinking, any skill more than those mentioned above and even tactical skills are nearly no existence and as said above, I say that as Global Elite who played the game for almost 8 years.
ESO however, unlike all of above, DOES require skill as there is nearly no RNG AT ALL, you actually HAVE TO BLOCK rather than pray for luck, you actually HAVE to dodge and so on.
The only RNG thing in this game is crit and non crit, either of those will have the exact same number depend on your enemy gear, that said for example, hit will always be 20 and crit will always be 40 and therefore combat log is not really needed.
I believe that if you want to maximize ESO skill, it will require more thinking and brain resource than any of the above games .
I also believe that one day ESO will add an Arena feature so High End PVP Players will be able to make a showdown against each other and maximize their skills.
And btw, Nameplates ARE needed still.
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✭@Ace_SiN @leonheart87 @Draconiuos stop that INVALID argue, they won't effect any difference at PVP as Health Bars are ALREADY doing that.
Wrong. You see it as invalid because you insist on pushing your bias agenda. By default we all have alliance tags over our heads, yet you can still duck into a corner and hide. By "your sides" very argument you already use health bars, yet a player can still hide in a corner while still detected with reasonable success.
Why is this? It's simple, you don't have a huge billboard over your head and the current indicators can easily be overlooked.
There are no need for nameplates as it will hurt the PvP experience. The chance of hiding in plain sight will effectively diminish to 0.
Stop using your counter-argument, because it's already being proven invalid everyday.
Simply not true. Nameplates will disappear in stealth, just like health bar and shield. You will only be seen if an enemy comes close, you have low stealth or make a dumb move.
Nameplates will make no advantage in pvp.
But as the years roll on it will mean I can recognise the pvp characters in my campaign.
In my last mmo recosgnising people in pvp was really important in how we played socially.
Why do all these people who don't want name-plates want to ruin it for people who do? Just turn it off and realise that people have different playstyles.
thanks
Edited by martinhpb16_ESO on April 14, 2014 11:58AMAt least the spelling is difficult for you.
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martinhpb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Draconiuos wrote: »Health bars aren't actually that big and you usually can't see them around objects. They don't show up until you are really close.
I'm already spotting health bars from quite a long distance. Granted I see the players first but very soon after I see the health bar, rather like the colour of a uniform. It would be ridiculous to have to get up real close just to see a players alliance.
I cant see any impact on pvp fights in having a nameplate on show.
what it would tell me is who are the go-to pvp guilds and players and who those enemies are I want revenge on
Edited by martinhpb16_ESO on April 14, 2014 12:07PMAt least the spelling is difficult for you.
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Zokten✭Draconiuos wrote: »Health bars aren't actually that big and you usually can't see them around objects. They don't show up until you are really close. They are easy to over look. The nameplates would be able to be seen over the top of cover that is put there to help people ambush other people. Hitting ctrl doesn't always work if someone can see you.
Personally the unwillingness of the OP to compromise just proves his bias. I could live with an option that gave you name plates in pve, but leave them out of pvp.
Also, bringing up CS and LOL into a MMORPG pvp discussion is just funny. Those are two separate genres from ESO, one is a FPS and the other is a MOBA. If you wanted to see some mass pvp should have played Shadowbane, but OP seems a little young to have been able to play that one.
What they could do is have nameplates only show up within a certain distance in PvP and have them in PvE0 -
Draconiuos✭✭✭Draconiuos wrote: »Health bars aren't actually that big and you usually can't see them around objects. They don't show up until you are really close. They are easy to over look. The nameplates would be able to be seen over the top of cover that is put there to help people ambush other people. Hitting ctrl doesn't always work if someone can see you.
Personally the unwillingness of the OP to compromise just proves his bias. I could live with an option that gave you name plates in pve, but leave them out of pvp.
Also, bringing up CS and LOL into a MMORPG pvp discussion is just funny. Those are two separate genres from ESO, one is a FPS and the other is a MOBA. If you wanted to see some mass pvp should have played Shadowbane, but OP seems a little young to have been able to play that one.
What they could do is have nameplates only show up within a certain distance in PvP and have them in PvE
The thing is I have already seen times when a nameplate would have gotten me killed in pvp. I was on top of the tower of a farm as an enemy 50 man team took it. I hide myself behind the battlements, but gotten stealth because the NPC mage that spawned on it could see me some how. Lucky for me the battlements kept me hiding when they pass maybe 5-10 feet from me. That is close enough for a nameplate to pop up over the battlement and get you killed.
Why do you need name plates on enemy players in pvp? If you are in Cyrodil you should expect other players are going to kill you. And if you got name plates on friendly players you would know anyone without a name plate is fair game. Please explain how this compromise does not work?
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anarquista✭✭yes I agree.. and also guild tag! at least for AvA ... dam I like to see what guilds are the good ones and who are just running around like chickens0 -
Nikkae✭✭When I was playing in beta it was really difficult for me to determine who was an NPC and who was an actual player. It was very frustrating to try and find a merchant or vendor to sell things to. Nameplates are extremely important in an MMO and to not even have the option is flat ridiculous. To me everyone looks very similar. There aren't even colorful or bold armor pieces to really distinguish one person from another. On another note: I wish we also had the option to dye our armor pieces (especially those that dont match).0 -
reggielee✭✭✭✭toggable option only, I dont want to see alot of name plates everywhere, if i need to see someone i hover over them with my mouse, as for class i take em at their word they are a tank etc. as for distinguishing npcs, i used options to display player health bars so those with no health bars are npcs.Mama always said the fastest way to a man's heart is through his chest.0 -
Eliran✭✭✭✭✭@DraconiuosDraconiuos wrote: »Draconiuos wrote: »Health bars aren't actually that big and you usually can't see them around objects. They don't show up until you are really close. They are easy to over look. The nameplates would be able to be seen over the top of cover that is put there to help people ambush other people. Hitting ctrl doesn't always work if someone can see you.
Personally the unwillingness of the OP to compromise just proves his bias. I could live with an option that gave you name plates in pve, but leave them out of pvp.
Also, bringing up CS and LOL into a MMORPG pvp discussion is just funny. Those are two separate genres from ESO, one is a FPS and the other is a MOBA. If you wanted to see some mass pvp should have played Shadowbane, but OP seems a little young to have been able to play that one.
What they could do is have nameplates only show up within a certain distance in PvP and have them in PvE
The thing is I have already seen times when a nameplate would have gotten me killed in pvp. I was on top of the tower of a farm as an enemy 50 man team took it. I hide myself behind the battlements, but gotten stealth because the NPC mage that spawned on it could see me some how. Lucky for me the battlements kept me hiding when they pass maybe 5-10 feet from me. That is close enough for a nameplate to pop up over the battlement and get you killed.
Why do you need name plates on enemy players in pvp? If you are in Cyrodil you should expect other players are going to kill you. And if you got name plates on friendly players you would know anyone without a name plate is fair game. Please explain how this compromise does not work?
Not true, Health Bars would've expose you regardless, you've been simply lucky no one had them turned on, either way, nameplates and healthbar are 100% no difference.
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Draconiuos✭✭✭
It is obvious from your replies you haven't done any sort of major PvP in this game or any other game. Name plates are massive compared to the small health bar they put over the players heads in Cyrodil. And you didn't explain why the compromise wouldn't work? You just stated false information as fact.@DraconiuosDraconiuos wrote: »Draconiuos wrote: »Health bars aren't actually that big and you usually can't see them around objects. They don't show up until you are really close. They are easy to over look. The nameplates would be able to be seen over the top of cover that is put there to help people ambush other people. Hitting ctrl doesn't always work if someone can see you.
Personally the unwillingness of the OP to compromise just proves his bias. I could live with an option that gave you name plates in pve, but leave them out of pvp.
Also, bringing up CS and LOL into a MMORPG pvp discussion is just funny. Those are two separate genres from ESO, one is a FPS and the other is a MOBA. If you wanted to see some mass pvp should have played Shadowbane, but OP seems a little young to have been able to play that one.
What they could do is have nameplates only show up within a certain distance in PvP and have them in PvE
The thing is I have already seen times when a nameplate would have gotten me killed in pvp. I was on top of the tower of a farm as an enemy 50 man team took it. I hide myself behind the battlements, but gotten stealth because the NPC mage that spawned on it could see me some how. Lucky for me the battlements kept me hiding when they pass maybe 5-10 feet from me. That is close enough for a nameplate to pop up over the battlement and get you killed.
Why do you need name plates on enemy players in pvp? If you are in Cyrodil you should expect other players are going to kill you. And if you got name plates on friendly players you would know anyone without a name plate is fair game. Please explain how this compromise does not work?
Not true, Health Bars would've expose you regardless, you've been simply lucky no one had them turned on, either way, nameplates and healthbar are 100% no difference.
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