Are macros in Razer Synapse allowed?
Korereactor
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Are we allowed to use macros in Razer Synapse? I'm thinking a cancel cast (using add-on) and then dodge, but I don't want to get banned for using it if it's not allowed.
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Good question... I have a Nostromo I been avoiding because I simply don't know if it would be allowed... Some Dev feedback on which hardware is allowed and which isn't would be niceThe statement "if you put enough monkeys behind enough typewriters... sooner or later one will produce the works of Shakespeare" has sadly been proven utterly wrong by the internet...0 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭Macros that simply press multiple keys at the same time are perfectly fine. Macros that use repeats or delays are NOT fine (that's botting).2 -
7788b14_ESO✭✭✭It's probably ok until it becomes a problem. Zeni probably hasn't even thought about it yet.1 -
I'm sorry Saeydoth for not taking your word on that... I mean, hearing it from an offcial would be worth alot more... Not saying that you are wrong ofcourse, but there is no recourse if you get banned anyway and all you can tell them is : "Yeah... but Saerydoth said is was oke"
Edited by stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO on April 23, 2014 1:51AMThe statement "if you put enough monkeys behind enough typewriters... sooner or later one will produce the works of Shakespeare" has sadly been proven utterly wrong by the internet...0 -
Auric_ESO✭✭✭✭not sure where you came up with that Saerydoth. Both should be NOT fine. However one is alot more detectable that the other. Gonna go read the tos again but macros shouldnt be okay but people use anyway, full on scripts like saerydoth said should be really really wrong."The purpose of training is to tighten up the slack, toughen the body, and polish the spirit." Morihei Ueshiba0 -
Nordak✭✭not sure where you came up with that Saerydoth. Both should be NOT fine. However one is alot more detectable that the other. Gonna go read the tos again but macros shouldnt be okay but people use anyway, full on scripts like saerydoth said should be really really wrong.
If that were the case then high end keyboards with macro keys wouldn't be allowed.2 -
Euh.... that actualy does happen in some games... in SWtOR alot of people got banned for using the macro buttons on the official SWtOR keyboard that set them back over 200 euro's
Oke they unbanned them but still... that was with an Official piece of hardware...
The statement "if you put enough monkeys behind enough typewriters... sooner or later one will produce the works of Shakespeare" has sadly been proven utterly wrong by the internet...4 -
Auric_ESO✭✭✭✭correct nordak. That WAS my point. just because some things have the ability to make a macro doesn't mean the developer allows it. I did specifically say "however one is a lot more detectable than the other" i.e. it might be hard to enforce, but macros and "advanced" macros (more like scripts) should not be allowed"The purpose of training is to tighten up the slack, toughen the body, and polish the spirit." Morihei Ueshiba0
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Carnage2K4✭✭✭✭Korereactor wrote: »Are we allowed to use macros in Razer Synapse? I'm thinking a cancel cast (using add-on) and then dodge, but I don't want to get banned for using it if it's not allowed.
I'd like to see them try and stop you.
I have a complete logitech set-up, peripheral macros are pretty hard to detect.
And ZOS can't even seem to contain scripted botting software atm...Edited by Carnage2K4 on April 23, 2014 2:17AMHuman Infant Connoisseur2 -
Korereactor✭✭✭mcconnell2_ESO wrote: »spell+bash macro
Yes I know this works.
No offense to the person who posted this, but it's just downright odd. A full cloth mage or sorcerer, would not cancel their cast by "bashing" in the air (or by trying to block a very hot incoming fireball with their staff???) and then get out of the way. It makes no sense! You cancel and roll out of the way, then fire back, or block magic with magic! Hasn't anyone watched any movies??? Sorry, I just can't figure out why ZeniMax made it this way. Just makes no sense, and it's kind of immersion breaking actually. Not to mention, go ahead and try and block a boss attack with your staff. You'll notice you take a heck of a lot of damage still.
Bottom line, they need to change it so rolling/dodging cancels a cast.Edited by Korereactor on April 23, 2014 12:10PM0 -
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Oh please for God's sake can we have discussions that don't have to use the 'i' word in lieu of real arguments?Korereactor wrote: »Just makes no sense, and it's kind of immersion breaking actually.
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JoshuaFrickeb14_ESOSoul ShrivenMacros that simply press multiple keys at the same time are perfectly fine. Macros that use repeats or delays are NOT fine (that's botting).
Negative. Botting is when a external program hooks the game and listens to combat calls, like when any enemy is targeted, then AUTO presses things.
Vanishing strike, 2secpause, swift strikes, blur <<<<<macro
Enemy power attack; play bash <<<<<Bot
any macro is a script to write to perform a string of commands.
Anything AUTO needs a hook to detect when to execute is not a macro but a bot.2 -
Boneidle✭✭Yeah I always kinda figured a macro was allowed, as it is a string of input commands which you use at a specific time, for instance cancelling the current action to avoid etc.
Bots as explained above actually read the game itself which is why bots aren't allowed it is classed as hacking the game. I haven't read anywhere that macros aren't allowed. However they are also not built into the game unlike other mmo's which do allow them.
Personally I have a rat 9 mouse a cyborg keyboard and I do use some macros but not to change combat or anything just to make my life much simple like with addon /slash commands.Never retreat, If you turn and run you will only die tired.0 -
AlliN✭✭✭It's used to cancelcast with bash - yes, you can abuse it, and no, you won't get banned as it's impossible to detect because ESO has no client side process scanners.
happy now? Better still, you can write light attack+skill cast+bash macro, so it makes insane burst damage combining them in one big pile of hurt, and just mow down people in pvp.
Yay clutches for handicapped people.
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Boneidle✭✭It's used to cancelcast with bash - yes, you can abuse it, and no, you won't get banned as it's impossible to detect because ESO has no client side process scanners.
happy now? Better still, you can write light attack+skill cast+bash macro, so it makes insane burst damage combining them in one big pile of hurt, and just mow down people in pvp.
Yay clutches for handicapped people.
So your saying i can make a iwin button on my mouse and spam it like a god!!!!Never retreat, If you turn and run you will only die tired.1 -
AlliN✭✭✭So your saying i can make a iwin button on my mouse and spam it like a god!!!!
Jup, and that's what most "competitive pvp players" aka abusing lamers do from the moment bash exploit came out. Because it's strong even when used manualy, now remove any click and reaction time from it, and make pauses of minimal keypress command intervals, and there, maximum possible dps you can get, that is counted in thousands. "Ends justify means" population mentality, that makes me sick.Edited by AlliN on May 11, 2014 7:09PM0 -
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✭✭It's used to cancelcast with bash - yes, you can abuse it, and no, you won't get banned as it's impossible to detect because ESO has no client side process scanners.
happy now? Better still, you can write light attack+skill cast+bash macro, so it makes insane burst damage combining them in one big pile of hurt, and just mow down people in pvp.
Yay clutches for handicapped people.
They need one imo.
I keep bringing up Warden. They need something similar Im telling you. Cant do the teleport and underground hack without altering data in RAM. need a third party program for that.1 -
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So your saying i can make a iwin button on my mouse and spam it like a god!!!!
Never heard of the swifty one shot macros in wow? lol.
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AlliN✭✭✭Never heard of the swifty one shot macros in wow? lol.
It's just a burst macro that triggers all buffs at once, the one in ESO actualy changes a game menchanic to create a burst that would not be otherwise possible, or less effective at least. 8 years ago he actualy created a better one, but then there was no castsequence limitations in macro lua.
The one in eso, is just a straight exploit of keyboard/mouse software on a faulty , badly designed skill.0 -
Korereactor✭✭✭I gave up on using Razer Synapse and just learned to block to cancel, even though I hate it. Hopefully ZeniMax someday will change it so dodging cancels a cast. We'll see I guess.0
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Valethar✭✭✭✭Using macros is not botting. Fully automating the game so you can walk away and let the software 'play' is. There's a difference.
Helps to know what you're talking about before you offer a biased opinion that has no facts to back it up.Resistance is not futile! Say no to the Greed Collective™. Boycott Crown Crates.0 -
Rotherhans✭✭✭The question isn´t if macros are botting, the question is ..are macros allowed?
I have the the pre-Razer n52te Speedpad and don´t use any macros either.
Quite frankly I always get slightly antsy about getting banned because of a badly set up banning rule if some MMO client detects the mandatory Razerapp. Edited by Rotherhans on May 11, 2014 11:41PM“I'm not going out of my way looking for devils;
but I wouldn't step out of my path to let one go by.”― Robert E. Howard1 -
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✭✭Warden uses a list of known bad and good programs so Razerapp isnt an issue but Glider would be.
Which if I remember right, I think Blizzard now owns. They hardcore shut that one down.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glider_(bot)
Rather well known case actually.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDY_Industries,_LLC_v._Blizzard_Entertainment,_Inc.
Edited by Sakiri on May 12, 2014 12:06AM0 -
JoshuaFrickeb14_ESOSoul ShrivenMicros are fine. Basically everything you do in a macro can be done without. Making them "legal". Because of diversity of characters, the same number of vulnerabilities apply except time, for going against the Macromaster. MM are also locked into that loop but can toggle in and out. Use that knowledge. With a macro you can press a button 1000ps but that doesn't mean the game is going to register that. Most stuff in eso reach there casting cap for macroLESS users anyway. There usually isnt a lot of room for flexibility in "iwin button" although multiple macros can be made, each take a LONG time to perfect. This is also the trade in for practice. There is a LOT of tweaking involved and cast times and such will always change. Its not the cheap way to go because it cost a lot of study. More like the smart way to go making it attractive to tacticianer and HCPVPer alike.
It really more of a playstyle then an advantage. A macro user may spank you the first time, but the tricks does usually change.1 -
Korereactor✭✭✭JoshuaFrickeb14_ESO wrote: »P.S.
Getting my orbweaver soon, be jelly.
You will not be disappointed - it is awesome.
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QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭no matter what macros you use - from official hardware or just any 3rd party soft
there is no difference and they cand detect what exactly soft you using, its light as a day0 -
Caesar Tantalia✭✭✭here you go - discussion closed - macros are a no goZOS_MollyH wrote: »Hello @Casdha !
To clarify this a bit, using a third party program - in this case it would be your keyboard's profile software - to perform any game function is a violation of the ESOTU terms of service.
The phrase "change the game play experience" includes having third party software macros that automatically perform emotes. The game play experience in this case would be that it is designed to have you - the player - performing these actions manually, and by using a macro you are changing the game play experience.
Using macros, and using unapproved third party applications, programs, scripts or any other game modifying mechanic is a violation of the Terms of Service, and as such continuing to do so would put you at risk for having your account actioned.1