1.6 Free race change [1.6.x MAJOR CHANGES] [Confirmed: Stamina OP]

supernico

Posted 28/01/2015

With the upcoming changes in 1.6 to combat mechanics and to stamina/magika/hp functioning, we can safely assume that some racial passives won't be optimal anymore for some builds. Some of the players chose a specific race to fit a defined build and playstyle wich in 1.6 may or may not be obsolete.

That said, I think we should be given the option to a one time change race to all of our characters on the account.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ any word on this?

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Posted 11/02/2015

EDIT: Some important changes in 1.6.x in wich RACIAL PASSIVES have a critical role for builds (race you may or may not taken in consideration at the time you created a character)
Because of the steep changes in 1.6.x in the game functionality, at this point min/maxing is apparently essential.

* ALL STATS SOFT AND HARD CAPS ENTIRELY REMOVED (hp/magika/stamina/spell damage/weapon damage/armor/spell resistance/etc)

* CHAMPION SYSTEM (Champion system perks that affects the base stats)

* IMPENETRABLE (Apparently in 1.6 it's not an indispensable trait anymore, therefor we can focus more on traits that might synergize with our race)

* LEGERDEMAIN SKILL LINE (Improved Hiding wich at rank IV Reduces the Stamina cost of Sneaking by 40% (classes like NB can now stay forever on sneak, wich ofcourse is based off of stamina pool)

* ARMOR and SPELL RESISTANCE MITIGATION (1.6.x PvP probably will be known as the Age of the Stamina, Medium Armor and Physical Damage you might aswell stack armor (remeber, caps were removed)

* Some SKILLS MORPHS (Changes) that in 1.6 use Stamina instead of Magika in 1.5

* VIGOR (Alliance Support - AoE Healing skill based on stamina pool)

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EDIT 07/02/2015 MAJOR CHANGE IN WOOD ELF PASSIVE

Extracted from PTS Patch 1.6.1 Notes

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Wood Elf
Y’ffre’s Endurance: The Wood Elf racial skill Exhilaration (formerly Vigor) has been replaced with Y'ffre's Endurance, which grants an increase of 7%/14%/21% to Stamina Regeneration while in combat.

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Stamina regen has been MORE THAN DOUBLED (from 3/6/9%) in percentage. Is this some psychological *** you're trying to pull on the players coz for sure it makes me really frustated.

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Posted 15.02.2015

Undocumented Dark Elf fire resistance racial passive nerf as per this this thread http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/150668/undocumented-dark-elf-fire-resist-nerf-in-1-6x (uncofirmed?)

You might wanna have chosen other race instead for some group roles in 1.6.x

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Posted 17.02.2015

Major changes to Argonian racial passives (I know this is old news but it's good to have it documented in this thread)

Some changes into Argonian passive related to potion uses changes completely how some Argonian builds will work in 1.6 compared to 1.5.
* 1.5 Increase the effectiveness of potions by 5/10/15%
vs
* 1.6 Whenever you drink a potion restore 2/4/6% of Max. Health, Magika & Stamina

This change might be great for some future playstyles, but definitelly not for the ones that chose an Argonian for a specific playstyle they like to play based on its 1.5 passive, wich is kinda ruined in 1.6.

Digital_Frontier

I dont think so. Deal with it

Sallington

My guess is we get faction and race changes in the Crown Shop within 12-18 months.

I don't see them allowing that for free every time they balance or change mechanics.

TheShadowScout

The only reason I would change one of my characters races for is if they added new races I really wanted despite having filled all my character slots. Not for FotM reasons. But then, I never build my characters to take advantage of racial boni anyways, I play this game to have fun, not to be super effective...

A race change that costs a lot of crowns on the other hand, that one I can see coming sooner or later. Then everyone can decide if its worth the price for them...

supernico

Sallington wrote: »

My guess is we get faction and race changes in the Crown Shop within 12-18 months.

I don't see them allowing that for free every time they balance or change mechanics.

Not every time, but given the nature of this patch, having such a big impact to the gameplay, by logic they should give the option to change it.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

The only reason I would change one of my characters races for is if they added new races I really wanted despite having filled all my character slots. Not for FotM reasons. But then, I never build my characters to take advantage of racial boni anyways, I play this game to have fun, not to be super effective...

A race change that costs a lot of crowns on the other hand, that one I can see coming sooner or later. Then everyone can decide if its worth the price for them...

This thread might not be for you, but thanks for your input

UrQuan

TheShadowScout wrote: »

The only reason I would change one of my characters races for is if they added new races I really wanted despite having filled all my character slots. Not for FotM reasons. But then, I never build my characters to take advantage of racial boni anyways, I play this game to have fun, not to be super effective...

This is definitely me as well.

Lied

doubt it will happen, but it wouldn't bother me and I don't blame people for requesting it. If you rolled/rerolled for a specific bonus that ends up being significantly changed or removed then I don't see how it's any different from free respecs when skills are changed.

BBSooner

Sallington wrote: »

My guess is we get faction and race changes in the Crown Shop within 12-18 months.

I don't see them allowing that for free every time they balance or change mechanics.

This is my guess. This has "Crown Store Convenience" written all over it.

Selique

Racial bonuses are minimal impact. Nothing in those passives would warrant a race change.

Aeratus

Selique wrote: »

Racial bonuses are minimal impact.

Dead wrong

Rosveen

Selique wrote: »

Racial bonuses are minimal impact. Nothing in those passives would warrant a race change.

+12% or 10% to an attribute without softcaps is minimal? I don't think we're playing the same game.

Heruthema

I would like the ability to change factions. Race I can live with, but not being able to play with whom ever I choose to, is a pain.

Sallington

Heruthema wrote: »

I would like the ability to change factions. Race I can live with, but not being able to play with whom ever I choose to, is a pain.

I've been wanting a "Change your faction" quest line since launch. Some type of quest where you betray your faction and pledge allegiance to another. Even if you could only do this at max level, it would be nice.

Make it a long quest, make it have some 30-90day cooldown so you don't have people faction-hopping every week.

Heruthema

Sallington wrote: »

Heruthema wrote: »

I would like the ability to change factions. Race I can live with, but not being able to play with whom ever I choose to, is a pain.

I've been wanting a "Change your faction" quest line since launch. Some type of quest where you betray your faction and pledge allegiance to another. Even if you could only do this at max level, it would be nice.

That would be great. I do think that one you have completed Gold you should have the option.

Turelus

Doubt it's going to happen, don't make permanent choices based on FOTM.

kieso

They will probably work on changing racial passives first and then see where the chips are.

Lied

Turelus wrote: »

Doubt it's going to happen, don't make permanent choices based on FOTM.

Why exactly should you choose one race or another?

Xsorus

Selique wrote: »

Racial bonuses are minimal impact. Nothing in those passives would warrant a race change.

They completely changed how a Argonian Nightblade worked in 1.6

Its built around potions, and that is just no longer a thing after the patch.

UrQuan

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Selique wrote: »

Racial bonuses are minimal impact. Nothing in those passives would warrant a race change.

They completely changed how a Argonian Nightblade worked in 1.6

Its built around potions, and that is just no longer a thing after the patch.

Correction: your build was built around potions. Not everyone's argonian nightblade was built around potions... Was it an effective argonian nightblade build? Sure. Was it the only effective argonian nightblade build? Of course not. There are plenty of effective nightblade builds that don't rely on any racial passives.

GreyRanger

A big challenge is that this sort of dramatic re-balancing has consequences for people. I have a stamina - sorcerer build that I like playing and is my provisioner. Unfortunately with the sorcerer changes I don't think my build really works any longer. I already have a magica based sorcerer so I don't want another, but I sure don't want to re-roll and gather all those recipes again. So sort of stuck.

I might like a class respec, that that is not going to happen. When the devs make big changes, even if needed, they inevitably break the mechanics that some players characters were based on.

Spiritreaver_ESO

GreyRanger wrote: »

A big challenge is that this sort of dramatic re-balancing has consequences for people. I have a stamina - sorcerer build that I like playing and is my provisioner. Unfortunately with the sorcerer changes I don't think my build really works any longer. I already have a magica based sorcerer so I don't want another, but I sure don't want to re-roll and gather all those recipes again. So sort of stuck.

I might like a class respec, that that is not going to happen. When the devs make big changes, even if needed, they inevitably break the mechanics that some players characters were based on.

Not picking at you GreyRanger, just using your sentiment. I've been seeing it here and there. I am beginning to wonder if the majority of ppl who hold it have played many other MMOs before? Because class/job shakeups are pretty common in the aftermath of major game mechanic/system changes.

But a saving grace that TESO has that not every MMO i've played has is the ability to respec.

wraith808

Sallington wrote: »

Heruthema wrote: »

I would like the ability to change factions. Race I can live with, but not being able to play with whom ever I choose to, is a pain.

I've been wanting a "Change your faction" quest line since launch. Some type of quest where you betray your faction and pledge allegiance to another. Even if you could only do this at max level, it would be nice.

Make it a long quest, make it have some 30-90day cooldown so you don't have people faction-hopping every week.

Reminds me of my favorite part of EQ2. They should really make it an inconvenience just like in EQ2, i.e. when you're in the middle of the change, both sides view you as KOS and you have limited access to conveniences.

TheShadowScout

Sallington wrote: »

I've been wanting a "Change your faction" quest line since launch. Some type of quest where you betray your faction and pledge allegiance to another. Even if you could only do this at max level, it would be nice.

Make it a long quest, make it have some 30-90day cooldown so you don't have people faction-hopping every week.

Add my vote to that one! Just like in the other threads it has been mentioned...

...even if I maybe wouldn't use it much, I still want it to be there... not just a "buy change", but some quest every character can play, with one huge decision in the end - stay loyal, or defect... could be one-time only, no cooldown required, and doing it after completing the main story, cadwells silver&gold makes much sense, and things much easier to code I would presume (less things to worry about keeping track of story progress changes).

Dracane

And then ? Only 3 races exist in the game ? This is just stupid -.- no race change please.

Lynnessa

The plural form of bonus is bonuses. Not boni. English =/= Latin.

That is all.

Edit: To say something on-topic, my character's racial bonuses are pretty vital to her effectiveness. Not something I knew when I made her, mind you, but something I was glad for after I learned what I was doing.

Robbmrp

supernico wrote: »

With the upcoming changes in 1.6 to combat mechanics and to stamina/magika/hp functioning, we can safely assume that some racial passives won't be optimal anymore for some builds. Some of the players chose a specific race to fit a defined build and playstyle wich in 1.6 may or may not be obsolete.

That said, I think we should be given the option to a one time change race to all of our characters on the account.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ any word on this?

I'd rather have the ability to change Class or Faction. With all the changes coming around a lot of people would be dumping the Veterinarian(Sorc) Class.

The problem with that is then we'd see a DK every two feet..... Plus why would they give this to us for free since they were the ones that screwed up the class balance from the start.... It's probably already being added to the Crown Store.....

supernico

Dracane wrote: »

And then ? Only 3 races exist in the game ? This is just stupid -.- no race change please.

Look, everyone chose the race they want. Some chose Khajit because they want to be cats and they like to roleplay, others chose Khajit exclusively because they want the racial bonus as a Nightblade.
This patch is a major change to the game functionalities that prejudice the latter big time. Anyone who chose a race for the sole reason of its racial bonuses is prejudiced by this patch and we are entitled to ask for a race change because of that reason.
Now, that ZOS will ignore us it's just unethical and disrespectful towards the players.

BEZDNA

i vote for race change

NobleX35

No...passives don't make a big of a difference to warrant something like this.

Nivzruo_ESO

Everything available in game will eventually be in the Crown shop at one point, you can bet on it. The devs can spew they are against P2W all they want, but they were also against b2p/f2p weren't they and we see how that went. The devs aren't the ones making decisions around here, the suits are.

Reremnu

supernico wrote: »

Now, that ZOS will ignore us it's just unethical and disrespectful towards the players.

If you close your eyes, cover your ears the "monster" will go away... <- ZOS's way of solving race change and balance issue, so far.