Any word on the ridiculous sneak speeds?

rophez_ESO

Don't get me wrong. I'm actually enjoying using the nights silence plus vampire sneak passive. I'm just really wondering if it's intended. I know there are also nightblades that can achieve even faster speeds - almost horse speeds, while sneaking! I mean seriously, I don't even sprint anymore I just stay crouched and I run around almost as fast as my horse.

I understand people who really are enjoying themselves and don't want this to change - it is fun running superfast all the time, especially when you're hiding, but I just feel kind of dirty doing it.

I really think ZOS just needs to put a cap on sneak speed. It doesn't make sense to ever be able to sneak faster than you can sprint!

eventide03b14a_ESO

Are you serious?

rophez_ESO

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Are you serious?

Super seriously.

ThisOnePosts

A cap on sneak speed? The fastest horse will outrun you still --- I'VE TESTED IT. A horse that is upgraded to about 20 points in speed (without concealed weapon and with concealed weapon about 25 points in speed added), will be about the same as you... so basically any newbie from the starter zones. You are sacrificing ALL OF THOSE WONDERFUL STATS of other sets, some which are AMAZING, for speed.

Go home OP, you're drunk.

rophez_ESO

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A cap on sneak speed? The fastest horse will outrun you still --- I'VE TESTED IT. A horse that is upgraded to about 20 points in speed, will be about the same as you... so basically any noob from the starter zones. You are sacrificing ALL OF THOSE WONDERFUL STATS of other sets, some which are AMAZING, for speed.

Go home OP, you're drunk.

So you think it makes sense to sneak faster and cheaper than you can sprint?

Auric_ESO

It's a sensible post. He's thinking that the current attainable speeds were probably not intended. And questioning if it's going to get changed. Perfectly reason question. I'm not a stealther though I do play a NB so it doesn't directly affect me but indirectly it does.

If it's as fast as he says then yeah. It probably needs to be addresses. I remember my night blade in daoc had to position themselves well for a good backstabbing combo. Sometimes you'd have to reposition to do it and not getting caught while setting up was part of the challenge. If I would have been able to sneak at bard 5 it would have been too easy

eventide03b14a_ESO

rophez_ESO wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Are you serious?

Super seriously.

Okay well, there is nothing wrong with it. You need 5 items, which means you are giving up a different set bonus for the speed and it still costs stamina. I'm sorry that it bothers you, but this is not something that needs correcting.

Azarul

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Are you serious?

Super seriously.

Okay well, there is nothing wrong with it. You need 5 items, which means you are giving up a different set bonus for the speed and it still costs stamina. I'm sorry that it bothers you, but this is not something that needs correcting.

I disagree. The set bonus speed is fine, however there should be a cap to not allow all 3 speed buffs to stack.

rophez_ESO

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Are you serious?

Super seriously.

Okay well, there is nothing wrong with it. You need 5 items, which means you are giving up a different set bonus for the speed and it still costs stamina. I'm sorry that it bothers you, but this is not something that needs correcting.

The 60 percent from the set doesn't feel OP,it's the way it stacks with vampire passive, concealed blade and rally.

twev

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Are you serious?

Super seriously.

Okay well, there is nothing wrong with it. You need 5 items, which means you are giving up a different set bonus for the speed and it still costs stamina. I'm sorry that it bothers you, but this is not something that needs correcting.

I galloped a speed-enhanced horse between 2 AD castles while another AD alongside me stealthed his way there.

[ETA: We did this to get to a castle that was under attack, so we were both making all possible haste.]

Are you really saying that the stealther ought to have gone the whole distance while stealthed at the same rate that my horse did?

yiasemi

OOOH yes all my characters have night silence! And I am an Orc now with speed bonuses. Undead Orcs on horses must do the whatever run in next to nothing parsecs!! (I admit I hate Star Wars) Anyone got a bite?

Attorneyatlawl

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Are you serious?

You give up a lot to fight in night's silence gear for a largely non-combat advantage (the reason I say largely is since you can sometimes re-sneak after killing someone but before another enemy can tag you, for example). I don't see the problem with the set at all.

Azarul

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Are you serious?

You give up a lot to fight in night's silence gear for a largely non-combat advantage (the reason I say largely is since you can sometimes re-sneak after killing someone but before another enemy can tag you, for example). I don't see the problem with the set at all.

Again there's nothing wrong with the set bonus. Its that all the speed bonuses stack.

yiasemi

It's fun until you get more traits on armour. That's how I use it, as FUN. The divines forbid we can't enjoy our free time. Some people are so competitive and killjoy.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

in pvp commander says "well flank em, sneak and follow me"
he rushes off, while rest of us is sneaking at normal speed, jumps in battle first and gets killed, while were still sneaking a mile away, then is mad at us ...

Attorneyatlawl

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

in pvp commander says "well flank em, sneak and follow me"
he rushes off, while rest of us is sneaking at normal speed, jumps in battle first and gets killed, while were still sneaking a mile away, then is mad at us ...

Yeah, I can't say I've ever seen that happen, not even in a PUG...

eventide03b14a_ESO

Guys seriously what is the actual complaint? That it negates horses? It still eats your stamina even with medium armor passives you have to constantly consume stamina pots. It doesn't give you any bonuses to damage. Why would you think it's unintentional? The two abilities both increase movement speed while sneaking and they are from completely different things. How is this OP?

eNumbra

No. It's not "unfair" that someone specializing in sneak can sneak quickly.


Be careful what you wish for, you want one set of bonuses to stop stacking you open the door for every bonus to stop stacking.

Nestor

There is a reason why Night's Silence is a Two Trait Set. At lower levels, speed will help you to survive and get the critical first hit in. Once leveled, there are other sets out there much more suitable to a NightBlade for combat. Vampires Kiss and Hundings Rage being two of them. Magnus' Gift is another one that works nice for NB, especially if your using any buffs for Stamina (set makes up for lack of magic).

Although, I can see having a set of NS just to travel around with, and then switch to another set for combat.

Mephos

runs as fast as a horse.. dies instantly when fighting because of missing stats and set boni..

I call that the chicken build.. just run away as fast as you can

yiasemi

Mephos wrote: »

runs as fast as a horse.. dies instantly when fighting because of missing stats and set boni..

I call that the chicken build.. just run away as fast as you can

Too right, last time in the endgame I ran right past all the guards undetected in the final scene. Just couldn't be bothered. Only big boss man I fought. Funniest finale ever, they wouldn't show that in Hollywood but it's as valid as the timid dude in Conan. Still saved Tamriel. Does it matter?

rophez_ESO

Currently leveling my 2nd character up. My main is a VR12 DK, and my new character is VR8 Orc Sorc - wearing 7/7 medium and using stamina as a bit of a challenge (compared to my DK.) You guys all say that he should be easy to kill wearing this subpar set, but he's not.

1. I sneak faster than I can sprint, and use less stamina doing so. I can 1 shot 1 monster from each pack I fight with a wrecking blow, then swap to dual wield and proceed to demolish the rest of the pack. Especially if bats are up (every other fight.)

2. In PVP I run in small groups, and have yet to notice myself feeling 'gimped' by night's silence. Of course I also run Ravager jewelry and 4/5 ashen grip (dual wield bar.) Can I win every 1v1 (or at least have a chance like my DK) - no, but I sure can move around a lot better and have an easy time picking those fights that I will probably win.

Look, I'm not saying it isn't fun. It's fun as hell moving around like that. I can understand people arguing for me to shut up before the devs notice and ruin our "fun." Sometimes you just have to stand up and speak out if you think the "fun" is going to damage the game in the long run.

Does it make sense that the best mobility in the game is stealthed? Should we leave it alone and make some passives to non stealth movement that are even faster? Maybe give werewolves a passive to increase sprint speed? And a set bonus that increases sprint speed by 60%? Let them stack for fast yet visible movement?

Is everyone a stealther? Do non stealther players like the idea that when that nightblade (or any other class drinking an invis pot) vanishes, you can forget about him, because he just ran 100 yards per second in a random direction?

Just some food for thought.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Nestor wrote: »

There is a reason why Night's Silence is a Two Trait Set. At lower levels, speed will help you to survive and get the critical first hit in. Once leveled, there are other sets out there much more suitable to a NightBlade for combat. Vampires Kiss and Hundings Rage being two of them. Magnus' Gift is another one that works nice for NB, especially if your using any buffs for Stamina (set makes up for lack of magic).

Although, I can see having a set of NS just to travel around with, and then switch to another set for combat.

I agree with you, but the the fact still remains that if someone wants to use it for a tactical advantage in speed they are still giving up something else and there is nothing OP about it. The only reasoning I have found for people not liking it is that someone is faster than them.

Theosis

vampire for the win

eliisra

I'm actually thinking about getting a set for my VR12 characters (ty ZoS for shared bank).

It's a pretty nice and nifty travelling outfit. Combined with vampire you can reach any contested keep quick as a mount while still being hidden in sneak. The risk of getting jumped 3v1 is pretty minuscule when you sneak like apple feed mounts. It's cheaper than the light horse to.

Than when its time to do the actual fighting, just switch gear with a hotkey if you have the addon.

Will definitely be FoTM if they ever decided to restrict the radius of free re-spawn and forward camps. That will naturally force solo'ers and smaller groups to sneak most of the route to contested keep, since dying half way there means starting all over again lol.

kitsinni

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Don't get me wrong. I'm actually enjoying using the nights silence plus vampire sneak passive. I'm just really wondering if it's intended. I know there are also nightblades that can achieve even faster speeds - almost horse speeds, while sneaking! I mean seriously, I don't even sprint anymore I just stay crouched and I run around almost as fast as my horse.

I understand people who really are enjoying themselves and don't want this to change - it is fun running superfast all the time, especially when you're hiding, but I just feel kind of dirty doing it.

I really think ZOS just needs to put a cap on sneak speed. It doesn't make sense to ever be able to sneak faster than you can sprint!

There are actually three words on it "working as intended". This basically allows NB to pick off single targets and they still are not all that powerful against anything but the surprise attack. You can sometimes pick off a guy on siege, you can pick off people on horses other than that you are not nearly as good as any of the other classes.

Sorcs have bolt escape they can get away from anyone and pull anyone out of stealth.

Templars have blazing shield that make it near impossible to take 1v1.

DKs can basically just walk around out of stealth with no issue.

eventide03b14a_ESO

I swear some people won't be happy until we are hitting each other with pool noodles in Cyrodiil. EVERY TACTICAL ADVANTAGE IS AN EXPLOIT!! NERF IT ALL!!!

rophez_ESO

You guys keep avoiding my main issue with the situation:

Does it make sense that the best mobility in the game is stealthed? And please don't talk to me about high speed horses - first of all they are barely faster and second of all, you can't mount them when you really want to. Pop an invis pot, crouch, and, bingo!, you're stealthed and moving super fast.

Fine, leave it alone, because it IS very fun, but how about add some sets/skill lines that make sprinting faster than sneaking. LOL.

eventide03b14a_ESO

rophez_ESO wrote: »

You guys keep avoiding my main issue with the situation:

Does it make sense that the best mobility in the game is stealthed? And please don't talk to me about high speed horses - first of all they are barely faster and second of all, you can't mount them when you really want to. Pop an invis pot, crouch, and, bingo!, you're stealthed and moving super fast.

Fine, leave it alone, because it IS very fun, but how about add some sets/skill lines that make sprinting faster than sneaking. LOL.

Um...it's achieved by vampires that's why. They are not real. In most iterations, even the terrible "Twilight" series, they can move at preternatural speeds. Why is this an issue?

rophez_ESO

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Um...it's achieved by vampires that's why. They are not real. In most iterations, even the terrible "Twilight" series, they can move at preternatural speeds. Why is this an issue?

Okay, so just another issue of vampire benefit vs. drawback vs. werewolf balance. I can buy that. Well, I've said my piece, I'm assuming the devs are aware of this situation so we'll see how it plays out.

Cheers!

kitsinni

rophez_ESO wrote: »

You guys keep avoiding my main issue with the situation:

Does it make sense that the best mobility in the game is stealthed? And please don't talk to me about high speed horses - first of all they are barely faster and second of all, you can't mount them when you really want to. Pop an invis pot, crouch, and, bingo!, you're stealthed and moving super fast.

Fine, leave it alone, because it IS very fun, but how about add some sets/skill lines that make sprinting faster than sneaking. LOL.

Yes it does make sense if you are willing to sacrifice having a set that would do more damage, a skill that would do more damage and make yourself weak to the most common damage type in order to achieve it.