Tales of gankers keep me away from PvP. I have no interest in playing someone else's victim on my own time. PvP players on here (and there are a bunch) who rage perjoratively at PvE players because they won't play with them just reinforce the feeling. That is sad, because I am sure there are lots of really great folk who play PvP who love testing their skills against other players, and I don't begrudge them their events at all.

If devs want PvP to succeed, they might consider ways casual players can become involved without the fear of being immediate cannon fodder.

Those are pretty much the same reasons I never tried Fallout online.

I don't care about the ganking but I love seeing IC populated. Full groups running around, lots of PvP, bosses dying over and over. It's so fun.

It got so much my screen started freezing even after lowering settings.

What sucks is after the event is over IC becomes a ghost town again.

thorwyn wrote: »

Tales of gankers keep me away from PvP. I have no interest in playing someone else's victim on my own time

And this right here is exactly the result of threads like this one. Apparently you have not tried PvP yet, but you are being scared off by narratives posted on the forum. It is not your fault that you are discouraged, I bet the same happens to a lot of players. The negativity of overdramatic renderings of what's actually happening during events like this has an impact on the success of such events.
If you would try it yourself, you would see that those tales are all exaggerated. Yes, you might get killed sometimes, you might not stand a chance during a fight and you might wonder where that damage is coming from, but that's about it.

Don't believe the hype!

Thank you @thorwyn for your response. It was helpful and nice.

I think it should go the other direction, and the only things that reward tickets for the PVP event should be the Kill X Players quests and the BG daily quests. Nothing else. No scouting, no town quests, no Imperial city, where you can avoid conflict with players. You should have to actually get kills, perform PVP actions, to get tickets.

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Can we please get a way to get the daily tickets without being gank feed?

Nothing is done about PvP, but we have this event to feed the PvP players in an attempt to make them happy.

99% of events are for PvE. Let us have our day. It's christmas time for us.

Androrix wrote: »

Tales of gankers keep me away from PvP. I have no interest in playing someone else's victim on my own time. PvP players on here (and there are a bunch) who rage perjoratively at PvE players because they won't play with them just reinforce the feeling. That is sad, because I am sure there are lots of really great folk who play PvP who love testing their skills against other players, and I don't begrudge them their events at all.

If devs want PvP to succeed, they might consider ways casual players can become involved without the fear of being immediate cannon fodder.

Those are pretty much the same reasons I never tried Fallout online.

What fear? There are no consequences to dying in PvP (IC has Tel Var loss but that's a minor annoyance at best).

Do you play a FPS and have a fear of dying or getting sniped?

When there are no consequences there should be no fear. It opens up the game to having fun.

I don't play PvP games where there are consequences, especially the ones where you could lose what you have when you die. In ESO you just respawn at a nearby keep or in the sewers or a district and continue. And so what if you die again? You lose nothing.

If folks reading this are worried about getting ganked, I'll say first that (A) you can't guarantee you won't get ganked and (B.) If you tangle with a PVPer who knows what they are doing, it'll probably feel like you got ganked because you don't know what you're doing and that's okay.

You're new to PVP. Nobody expects you to know what you're doing and there's no shame when you die.


Most gankers are built as stealthy glass cannons.They are built for stealth, not open fighting, so they will wait for their target to come to them. They have high burst damage but not a lot of defense, that's why they go for low health targets who aren't paying attention or in a position to fight back. As fsr as the ganker is concerned, they are skilled in ganking is in finding the right target and pulling off a devastating attack. With that in mind, you can use the way gankers operate in how you play:

• Have high HP. Gankers can see how much HP ypu have but not much else. Most PVPers have between 30-40k HP. Building for high HP won't necessarily save you, but it does mean that you aren't an obviously easy target.
• Buff up. A ganker is a lot less likely to gank my MagDK while I'm fishing or standing around if I periodically recast my Spiked Armor. They want an unaware target, not someone who's buffed up for a fight.
• Stay alert. Gankers need to stealth and wait for a good target to come to them. So when you come to a choke point or a quest location or anywhere where an enemy player knows that other players will be coming to, be on the lookout. (I find that constant awareness gets to me after a while since it's so alien to the PVE questing experience. If I start getting really anxious about it, that's my cue to go do something more relaxing for a bit.)
• Use Detect pots or detection effects. You probably have Radiant Magelight accessible from the Mages Guild. If you want to really amuse yourself and you have some of the Support skill line unlocked, start chucking Revealing Flare all around when you and other players have to go up to a quest giver. Ypu might still be attacked, but you'll reveal any stealthed players, and a ganker waiting will know that you aren't an easy target.
• When you are ganked: break free, dodge roll, and block. Then heal. That's your best chance for surviving. And that's not a back reaction to taking sudden damage from any source: break free, dodge roll, block, and heal, then evaluate the threat and how to deal with it.(I can attest from personal experience that running away will not help. If you must run, watch your stamina and roll when you can.)

All that being said, don't forget that ganking is a playstyle, not a lifestyle. Just like how you know Dark Brotherhood players aren't evil people in real life, I encourage you to remember that gankers are playing a PVP game where ganking is accepted by ZOS.

Good news, though, because it is a playstyle, you can use your knowledge of how that playstyle works in order to avoid and counter it. You can't guarantee that PVP won't happen in a PVP zone, but you can make yourself look like an obviously alert, tough target.

Basically, this is what you're aiming for:

Invisible potions really do help a person stay hidden a lot of the time.

Even so, each faction has a temporary winning area so a non-pvper can port to a town and do quests with others helping/guarding.

For being so unpopular we had 100+ queues on PS NA.
Sure hate to see the queues if PvP was popular!

These ‘pvp event, me no likey’ threads always make me laugh. You want to know how many tickets I got in the Zenithar event. Zero. None. Nada. I don’t group… with anyone. So no tickets for me. Life goes on.

jaws343 wrote: »

GreatGildersleeve wrote: »

These ‘pvp event, me no likey’ threads always make me laugh. You want to know how many tickets I got in the Zenithar event. Zero. None. Nada. I don’t group… with anyone. So no tickets for me. Life goes on.

Not that I disagree with the sentiment of not being required to participate in events if you don't want to do them...

But, you absolutely did not need to join a single group to get event tickets during the Zenithar event.

Then the event was very badly explained. That was my only takeaway. No group, no ticket. Perhaps something for ZoS to work on for next year.

This event should be an advertisement for PVP and it doesn't seem to be. Unless you are amazing, you probably shouldn't take a pve build and expect to survive. I've read lots of comments over the years about how this trait is pve only or you have to have at least xxxxxxK in health. For most pve events you just need to show up and get tickets - possible exception Undaunted since nFG1 does take a few minutes to finish even though a pvp build would be fine.

My suggestion is that ZOS create a couple of new campaigns or battlegrounds during MYM where for the initial level, you can choose from a stamina or magika build for your class (class seems to be immutable) and the build includes equipment, skills, attributes and CP in the proper places. You can then learn the fundamentals of PVP before making a whole new build.

The second level would let you adjust everything but still gave you adequate pvp armor. Then once you learn a bit, you can move to the real campaigns and spend the gold/time to create a build. So give interested pvers a low cost way to test pvp.

We know ZOS has the capability since this is essentially what they do when you visit uncle Sheo to play with the Volunthingy.

Androrix wrote: »

Tales of gankers keep me away from PvP. I have no interest in playing someone else's victim on my own time. PvP players on here (and there are a bunch) who rage perjoratively at PvE players because they won't play with them just reinforce the feeling. That is sad, because I am sure there are lots of really great folk who play PvP who love testing their skills against other players, and I don't begrudge them their events at all.

If devs want PvP to succeed, they might consider ways casual players can become involved without the fear of being immediate cannon fodder.

Those are pretty much the same reasons I never tried Fallout online.

Altghough the feeling of entitlement in this comment is subtle compared to others', it's still there.
You can't possibly ask the devs to make you not have to learn pvp from ground level, the way everybody else did, just because you don't want to be a beginner at some point.

If people don't want to put the work in, there is no reward of any kind to be had for no effort. That is actually true for any walks of life.

Pvp is gutted tho, so you aren't missing out on much anyways...