StarOfElyon wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Sleeping_OwI wrote: »

I'm a pvE vet, made a pvp build recently (magDK, Trickery, BSW, Magma, trainee chest+Markyn) to finally get into pvp and have some fun and maybe do some fun stuff in the upcoming event... and it's just constant ass whooping. Every battleground match, there's a full group of organized strong players going around killing everything in sight. I can't even when make a dent on them 1v1, let alone if they're more. And believe me I'm not exaggerating, out of every 5 matches, 4 were like this, it's so frequent and unrewarding. There was only 1 match which was better balanced and half fun.

Is it always supposed to be like this? Beginners just get their ass kicked constantly until maybe they get better after a long time? I wish there was a place or mode where I could fight players in my own skill level, not be put against pvp gods and go 0-10 at the end of most matches. How are you supposed to learn anything when you die under 5 seconds no matter what you do or how much you try?

Just to be clear and summarize, I dont mind dying and losing, I know it's part of the process. It's constantly being put against groups and players that are waay better than me that makes it unfair, unfun and frustrating. I feel like I'm wasting my time trying to get into Eso's pvp when almost every match is frustarting and unrewarding like this..

You said the reason I put in bold, BG system is garbage, come to Cyrodiil.

Cyrodiil sucks unless you enjoy wasting time riding from keep to keep. Imperial City is the best pvp zone.

I do like IC once in awhile, a lot of PvE going on though. I just teleport to keeps (pre flag) most of the time, it's only 20k ap. Big fights are fun. Both zones are better than BG's.

I’ve heard people say that as a new player it’s good to be tanky. It’s not. Now I’m not saying you can’t use some heavy armor, or 1 defensive set, or sword n shield. What I’m saying is the last thing you should do is go out of your way to become a tank in hopes that you can learn more by living longer. It is a very counter intuitive part of eso that damage potential also equals healing potential. You can’t pvp without a large amount of damage you just can’t. What you may perceive as tanky is normally defensive percent modifiers (major protection for instance,) that are acquired not through 5 piece sets but instead through passives and slotted skills. And good self healing— which again goes back to having high damage.

As a new player you may think that what is expected of you is to jump headlong into the scrum and survive through sheer talent alone… let me put you at ease, it really isn’t about that. Very very few people can do that against adequate competition. If you’ve ever seen such a case, trust me, it was either one talented player fighting rather poor players OR it was one talented player kiting and line of sighting so well that even though there were 8 people nobody could properly target him. In other words he wasn’t being hit hardly at all— and you can kinda thank lag for that.

Instead, what being a successful pvper is actually about, is timing and positioning. You really only want to engage (this is from a bg or small scale perspective mostly,) when your burst is ready. Which, in a perfect world, would be one delayed damage ability one ultimate with a stun attached and one execute. If it’s AoE all the better. If your target is otherwise occupied all the better.

You get in and get out. When your burst isn’t ready you’re mostly… wait for it… doing nothing. Heavy attacking for resources, kiting someone that is trying to hit you, keeping your buffs and HoTs up, and y’know, helping your teammates if able. Now that seems like a lot of important stuff maybe, but I call it doing nothing, because it is times like this when my character may be bunny hopping around, circling the scrum, and it’s just a very low stress moment in general.

Mobility is king. And you don’t necessarily need a ton of it— you just need the ability to remove snares so that you don’t get bogged down in a kill-zone and ulti dumped. What makes it a kill zone? How many people are bogged down in it.

Also king? Not getting targeted. How do you not get targeted? Look tanky. Looking tanky and being tanky are two different things, as I alluded in the beginning. Have a reasonable amount of hp (28-32k or whatever,) so that every time you get scratched it doesn’t look like you just got chunked. Plus other players can see your health total even if you’re at full, and they will focus the easy one. If you get hit hard prioritize healing yourself before anything else. It doesn’t matter if you think “naw I’m fine I got this guy right where I want him,” because it isn’t necessarily that guy that’s gonna kill you. It might be the three players behind you trying to steal his kill. Anybody that’s 60% health or less is gonna attract attention. Everybody in the scrum will literally stop what they’re doing to attack you.

And this is the same mentality you must adopt.