Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

Skjaldbjorn wrote: »

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

Increase the chance of applying Chilled to enemies with Winter's Embrace abilities by 200%.

I stand by what I said warden is way over top now.

This is on top of minor vulnerability and major toughness. It's not balanced.

A few things here;

Applying Chilled while actively holding a Frost Staff now applies Minor Brittle in addition to its other effects. Note that the Staff must be on your active bar when Chilled is applied for this to proc.

First off, we have no idea what kind of duration Brittle has. Second, this requires you to be on a frost staff bar. Definitely doable for healers, but there's going to be gaps. Third, chilled uptimes even with a Warden DPS actually aren't that high. 60% or so on average. That passive is really good for sure, but it's not going to be 100% uptime.

Fact is they have 200 percent of applying chilled. This advantage no matter how you look at it. Maybe just frosting on top of cake but it's more then other classes with just bread.

That's 200 percent for the one skill that a DD is likely to use in the skill line, which has like a 1% base chance of applying chilled (if I'm correct that that's the figure for an AoE DoT). What warden HEALER uses Winter's Revenge?

Meanwhile, major (de)buffs I use all the time while healing got greatly nerfed.

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

Minor Brittle: Increases the target’s Critical Damage taken by 10% - This is easy with well you know all frost sources they got.

Minor Toughness - 1k it's like ebon but can stack with ebon

Major Resolve: Increased to 5948, up from 5280. - important with damage reduction debuffs

Minor Vulnerability: Decreased to 5%, down from 8%. - why they were in cool crowd before

Minor Fortitude/Endurance/Intellect: Increased to 20%, up from 10%

* Only class with major maim and major protection which is more important with these following nerfs

• Major Maim: Decreased to 10%, down from 25%. and Major Protection: Decreased to 10%, down from 30%.

AOE Breech of Physical and Spell Resistances - Not as cool as Necro but aoe never the less.

Only class able to pull off minor heroism potions without a lost as they have easy acess with healing skills of critical and spell damage buffs from typical pots.

Warden healers don't use a lot of frost spells though and someone still needs to apply concussion so you might not even get to run a frost staff because the group needs lightning and has frost covered by the tank.

Minor toughness isn't preventing any oneshots and is only relevant for the tank and in PvP. It doesn't even increase damage done so who cares.

Major Resolve, same story as with toughness, it's not even needed in PvE and in PvP people already have a source of it and don't need the help for that.

Minor Vulnerability - literally everyone with a lightning staff can proc minor vulnerability. Sorcs proc minor vulnerability on a regular. Concussion applies minor vulnerability. You don't need a warden for that.

Minor Fortitude/Endurance/Intellect can be applied to an entire group by a Templar healer along with minor magicka steal to all enemies within a 28m radius for 20s if they just choose to use the Radiant Aura morph instead of Repentance (which healers don't really need anymore anyway). Oh and Warden's don't even apply Minor Fortitude in their 20m cone, which btw costs them 4500 magicka while Templars have no cost on that skill.

I really don't see what's supposed to be so much stronger about Wardens. They are doing fine and so are the other healers.

It looks like this patch will tilt away from Warden healer if anything. Moreover, groups may more take a warden tank (OT) or even Magden instead of the almost ever-present warden healer. They are super strong but may loose some meta dominance actually. I think it's too early to judge meta but there is a chance that warden/templar duo may be seen slightly less.

comments on OP's cited changes:

Minor Brittle: if warden OT winds up being the best to apply it, there will be big reasons NOT to use warden healer. Maybe a magden instead of OT. Healer is least likely as they typically sit on resto bar for combat prayer. It may not even be a warden thing bc the passive only applies to an AOE DoT which sucks for applying status effects.

Minor Toughness - hasn't changed. every class has a minor buff (necro major vuln)

Major Resolve: tank can apply it

Major Breach: tank can always run caltrops if this is required for trash

Major Maim/Protection or the synergy gate: who cares and they both got nerfed.

Minor Vulnerability and Major Mending: both nerfed

Minor Fortitude/Endurance/Intellect: this is the only really unique to warden healer buff, but if it's important warden OT could run it or any Sorc

Heroism Pots: warden's try not to waste skill slots on netch let alone lotus. If running Ulti pots typically DK slots Igneous and players slot IL/Camo hunt...

Healer is the only good spot Wardens have in endgame raids. You sound like you don't really play one too.

So what if they become the strongest Healers? Templars have been the strongest since release and no one has whined about it. Some classes are just better than others.

You're talking about their frost abilities as if the Charged Trait didn't exist and was enough pretty much.