Another rant about snipe... @__@

Eatmyface · January 2020

Okay, I'ma try keep this brief.

This is just one of those "bringing awareness" threads, because I don't have any real smart ideas about how to fix this trash style of gameplay.

Why is it still able to be glitched / desynced??? WHY.

We've all had it happen... you're riding your pretty flaming horse, standing on a keep porch - whenever, wherever (so catchy, Shakira), and all of a sudden your stam, mag and health bars go straight to 0%. You then wander around in a circle for 3-5s, before transporting back to where you were standing previously - dead. You bring up the death recap, albeit knowing exactly what you're going to see. But why not bring your blood pressure all the way up.

Focused aim 6k > focused aim > 7k > focused aim 9k > focused aim 8k > focused aim > 8k.

No animations. No sounds. No possible way of defense.

Meanwhile, the bottom feeding mouth breather who's standing so far away they might as well be in Deshaan, disappears back into cloak.

For the love of God, Budha, Allah, Jim Carey... CAN WE JUST NOT HAVE THIS.

Thanks for your time xx

MartiniDaniels · January 2020

Awesome for whenever, wherever

Beardimus · January 2020

It's a glitchy skill, we all know it.

YandereGirlfriend · January 2020

Yes, this skill is quite desperately in need of cleaning up (or just replacement...).

People bag on zerglings spamming one button and jumping (and for good reason) but IMO it's the Snipe-spammers and badling gankers who are the least-skilled players in Cyrodiil.

Once something breaks their expectation of what should happen and their target begins to fight back, it's hilarious how their minds simply melt down and they become paralyzed with the fear of actual fair combat.

I especially love the free kills when they knock my Templar off her horse and it's one Unstable Core -> Toppling Charge -> Crescent Sweep for the GG. Or if they manage to cloak away, then it's time for a detection pot and *shh* *shh* *shh* spam in their last known vector. And once they're in the Jabs... they're never getting out!

LeHarrt91 · January 2020

Yep i had this happen twice the other night. Was versing others then all resources gone and was dead, recap was all Snipe.

Banana · January 2020

It would have been one of those extinct nightblades.

mocap · January 2020

hmm... i have opposite experience with it:

DODGE
DODGE
DODGE
DODGE

Salix_alba · January 2020

Snipe killed Dumbledore.

whats really amazing is out of all the real world words that spell checker misses or insists are wrong it Knows Dumbledore?

isoJs · January 2020

Salix_alba wrote: »

Snipe killed Dumbledore.

whats really amazing is out of all the real world words that spell checker misses or insists are wrong it Knows Dumbledore?

Carefully now, you might get banned here if you spoil movies.

KillsAllElves · January 2020

Eatmyface wrote: »

Okay, I'ma try keep this brief.

This is just one of those "bringing awareness" threads, because I don't have any real smart ideas about how to fix this trash style of gameplay.

Why is it still able to be glitched / desynced??? WHY.

We've all had it happen... you're riding your pretty flaming horse, standing on a keep porch - whenever, wherever (so catchy, Shakira), and all of a sudden your stam, mag and health bars go straight to 0%. You then wander around in a circle for 3-5s, before transporting back to where you were standing previously - dead. You bring up the death recap, albeit knowing exactly what you're going to see. But why not bring your blood pressure all the way up.

Focused aim 6k > focused aim > 7k > focused aim 9k > focused aim 8k > focused aim > 8k.

No animations. No sounds. No possible way of defense.

Meanwhile, the bottom feeding mouth breather who's standing so far away they might as well be in Deshaan, disappears back into cloak.

For the love of God, Budha, Allah, Jim Carey... CAN WE JUST NOT HAVE THIS.

Thanks for your time xx

Desync- is server issue in which some real time movements didnt get registered in the server or it got registered in the server too late ...

The damage is irrelevant, the ability is a prjectile and will always be effected by lag, client issues and or player connection.

You were outplayed nothing more.

KillsAllElves · January 2020

mocap wrote: »

hmm... i have opposite experience with it:

DODGE
DODGE
DODGE
DODGE

This is frustrating, almost all my snipes are dodged/miss its also so damn clunky.

UrbanMonk · January 2020

Everytime I get sniped, T_Bag inc for the sniper...

Unseelie · January 2020

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Yes, this skill is quite desperately in need of cleaning up (or just replacement...).

People bag on zerglings spamming one button and jumping (and for good reason) but IMO it's the Snipe-spammers and badling gankers who are the least-skilled players in Cyrodiil.

Once something breaks their expectation of what should happen and their target begins to fight back, it's hilarious how their minds simply melt down and they become paralyzed with the fear of actual fair combat.

I especially love the free kills when they knock my Templar off her horse and it's one Unstable Core -> Toppling Charge -> Crescent Sweep for the GG. Or if they manage to cloak away, then it's time for a detection pot and *shh* *shh* *shh* spam in their last known vector. And once they're in the Jabs... they're never getting out!

I have doubts that coming in trying to sound all Mr hard guy and then using the laziest boring skill in the game as a point of pride will have the effect that you are looking for jabs-a-lot

thadjarvis · January 2020

Imagine PvP in which 3 Jabs, Wrecking Blows, or Rapid Strikes all hit instantaneously. Curious why does it happen with snipe and not Uppercut? They are both cast times.

xWarbrain · January 2020

KillsAllElves wrote: »

You were outplayed nothing more.

Bahahahahahaha good one!

Obviously a sniper.

There's no "outplayed" - when this happens you're just suddenly dead. There's nothing to react to or defend against. The damage comes from an invisible opponent and registers before the animation or sound occurs to the player being targeted.

If you think you're outplaying anyone by doing this, you're not.

jadarock · January 2020

I'm going to die on top of this mountain....
Snipe would be fine if it didnt desync. Period.

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MashmalloMan · January 2020

thadjarvis wrote: »

Imagine PvP in which 3 Jabs, Wrecking Blows, or Rapid Strikes all hit instantaneously. Curious why does it happen with snipe and not Uppercut? They are both cast times.

None of the abilities you mentioned are ranged with projectile travel time, this is where the issue comes from.

YandereGirlfriend · January 2020

Unseelie wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Yes, this skill is quite desperately in need of cleaning up (or just replacement...).

People bag on zerglings spamming one button and jumping (and for good reason) but IMO it's the Snipe-spammers and badling gankers who are the least-skilled players in Cyrodiil.

Once something breaks their expectation of what should happen and their target begins to fight back, it's hilarious how their minds simply melt down and they become paralyzed with the fear of actual fair combat.

I especially love the free kills when they knock my Templar off her horse and it's one Unstable Core -> Toppling Charge -> Crescent Sweep for the GG. Or if they manage to cloak away, then it's time for a detection pot and *shh* *shh* *shh* spam in their last known vector. And once they're in the Jabs... they're never getting out!

I have doubts that coming in trying to sound all Mr hard guy and then using the laziest boring skill in the game as a point of pride will have the effect that you are looking for jabs-a-lot

Oh, I fully acknowledge that Templars are OP (notice how I said "Jab spam" as a nod to this?), though it's only one of several classes that I play.

And I'm definitely not the best PvP'er on this forum or anywhere else, but I do at least fight honorably and out in the open and it is still true that most of these gankers have no idea how to fight when you survive their initial strike.

jadarock · January 2020

xWarbrain wrote: »

KillsAllElves wrote: »

You were outplayed nothing more.

Bahahahahahaha good one!

Obviously a sniper.

There's no "outplayed" - when this happens you're just suddenly dead. There's nothing to react to or defend against. The damage comes from an invisible opponent and registers before the animation or sound occurs to the player being targeted.

If you think you're outplaying anyone by doing this, you're not.

You dont have to be invisible just well positioned so that you aren't spotted after the first snipe.
The desync is no different than the one that accompanied broken dizzy.
Other than that Snipe is no different than a sorc pew pewing from a safe distance. The thing with snipe is as long as you hear the first one and roll you are gtg. Being caught already engaged or out of position and not hearing the snipes and its gg

KillsAllElves · January 2020

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xWarbrain wrote: »

KillsAllElves wrote: »

You were outplayed nothing more.

Bahahahahahaha good one!

Obviously a sniper.

There's no "outplayed" - when this happens you're just suddenly dead. There's nothing to react to or defend against. The damage comes from an invisible opponent and registers before the animation or sound occurs to the player being targeted.

If you think you're outplaying anyone by doing this, you're not.

Cant snipe on mag sorc!

Stealth game play and positioning of said player is legitimate game play and is working as intended per developers discretion.

If you have a problem with desync take it up with the developer, but dont advocate forr removing class and weapon abilities in a fantasy game, not every one wants to play or be forced to play melee range. There are several counters to snipers and being oblivous is not one of them.
OP positioned him self infront of a sniper, thats his fault.
Anything else?

VaxtinTheWolf · January 2020

I had that weird delay on damage the other day. I also couldn't move before any visual indicators were even present, and didn't get a stunned animation to alert me of such. Happens within the first 20 seconds of the video below.

https://youtu.be/Z_k8YQvJOBA

Eatmyface · January 2020

youtu.be/dskUFIHM_jA Yep... got one too. Check this out - the guys name is literally Dsync. Classic gag.

x48rph · January 2020

Just going to say that archers were a thing in medieval times which combat is very loosely based off of. And yes, they either sniped you from a distance or they stood behind the infantry and shot arrows at you, they didn't run up in the middle of a melee battle and try to shoot you at point blank range because oh yeah, they weren't wearing heavy armor. People can think what they want about the play style but archers shooting from behind the others isn't cowardly, it's smart tactics.

As far as the dsync, that is a whole other issue that falls to ZOS to address and fix. I totally agree that you shouldn't get hit with 5 snipes at once, it should register like any other attack so you can react to it.

NyassaV · January 2020

KillsAllElves wrote: »

Quoted post has been removed.

xWarbrain wrote: »

KillsAllElves wrote: »

You were outplayed nothing more.

Bahahahahahaha good one!

Obviously a sniper.

There's no "outplayed" - when this happens you're just suddenly dead. There's nothing to react to or defend against. The damage comes from an invisible opponent and registers before the animation or sound occurs to the player being targeted.

If you think you're outplaying anyone by doing this, you're not.

Cant snipe on mag sorc!

Stealth game play and positioning of said player is legitimate game play and is working as intended per developers discretion.

If you have a problem with desync take it up with the developer, but dont advocate forr removing class and weapon abilities in a fantasy game, not every one wants to play or be forced to play melee range. There are several counters to snipers and being oblivous is not one of them.
OP positioned him self infront of a sniper, thats his fault.
Anything else?

How about we rework snipe to be an actual spammable? The current animation is so dumb and could be made instant cast with less damage. Problem solved.

KillsAllElves · January 2020

NyassaV wrote: »

KillsAllElves wrote: »

Quoted post has been removed.

xWarbrain wrote: »

KillsAllElves wrote: »

You were outplayed nothing more.

Bahahahahahaha good one!

Obviously a sniper.

There's no "outplayed" - when this happens you're just suddenly dead. There's nothing to react to or defend against. The damage comes from an invisible opponent and registers before the animation or sound occurs to the player being targeted.

If you think you're outplaying anyone by doing this, you're not.

Cant snipe on mag sorc!

Stealth game play and positioning of said player is legitimate game play and is working as intended per developers discretion.

If you have a problem with desync take it up with the developer, but dont advocate forr removing class and weapon abilities in a fantasy game, not every one wants to play or be forced to play melee range. There are several counters to snipers and being oblivous is not one of them.
OP positioned him self infront of a sniper, thats his fault.
Anything else?

How about we rework snipe to be an actual spammable? The current animation is so dumb and could be made instant cast with less damage. Problem solved.

Keywords [less damage] i was waiting for this. The last thing we need are more nerfs to damage abilities when too many players are stacking resistances and healing buffs. This idea would make snipe useless.

Vig0rz · February 2020

Same time happens with crystal blast the one time a year someone runs it. You'd think with how often it happens they'd do literally anything to try and prevent it. All we can do is spread awareness.

OWLTHEMAD · February 2020

All i know, is i wish they would nerf the da** bow instead of nightblades. The calls for nerfs to snipe and its ilk are not nearly as bad as they were but when ever people complain about bow gankers too heavily, nightblades get nerfed instead of the bow. (At least as far as i noticed)

Otherwise bow gankers especially now are usually pretty easy to deal with with out the desync. The moment you lose a little health. . . ROLL DODGE.

Otherwise i absolutely agree that desync bug needs to be dealt with.

Salix_alba · February 2020

isoJs wrote: »

Salix_alba wrote: »

Snipe killed Dumbledore.

whats really amazing is out of all the real world words that spell checker misses or insists are wrong it Knows Dumbledore?

Carefully now, you might get banned here if you spoil movies.

I think its been enough time on that one

Beardimus · February 2020

thadjarvis wrote: »

Imagine PvP in which 3 Jabs, Wrecking Blows, or Rapid Strikes all hit instantaneously. Curious why does it happen with snipe and not Uppercut? They are both cast times.

Because Snipe is bugged.

We all know it

We all talk about it

They did try to adress it

But it's back and folks seem able to make it happen..

Rune Cage was bugged and instead they left rh but and nerfed if

CaliMade · February 2020

x48rph wrote: »

Just going to say that archers were a thing in medieval times which combat is very loosely based off of. And yes, they either sniped you from a distance or they stood behind the infantry and shot arrows at you, they didn't run up in the middle of a melee battle and try to shoot you at point blank range because oh yeah, they weren't wearing heavy armor. People can think what they want about the play style but archers shooting from behind the others isn't cowardly, it's smart tactics.

As far as the dsync, that is a whole other issue that falls to ZOS to address and fix. I totally agree that you shouldn't get hit with 5 snipes at once, it should register like any other attack so you can react to it.

Also i medieval times people weren’t able to go invisible.

And yes if you crutch on a clear exploit to kill people, you’re a coward. Contrary to what you possibly believe you can still you snipe and not desync people with it. If someone snipe desync’s you, it’s deliberate.

Easiest possible fix would be to have its cast time pull you from steath. You can only be desyced if the sniper is in stealth. remove this and problem solved.