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Dragon Knights need to be scaled down some
Jeremy
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I don't often call for nerfs. In fact, it's extremely rare when I do. But this is the exception.
I'm sick of encountering the same type of Dragon Knight in no CP Cyrodil. They just run around spamming the same burst macro with their annoying little snare and whip combinations and do way too much damage. It's ridiculous, especially if you are a Vampire.
So either nerf this combination or I'm just going to start running every time I see it. That or I'll just quit your PvP all together. The developers did a pretty good job limiting these lame kind of lame over-the top burst fighting styles but this one slipped through the cracks.
I'm sick of encountering the same type of Dragon Knight in no CP Cyrodil. They just run around spamming the same burst macro with their annoying little snare and whip combinations and do way too much damage. It's ridiculous, especially if you are a Vampire.
So either nerf this combination or I'm just going to start running every time I see it. That or I'll just quit your PvP all together. The developers did a pretty good job limiting these lame kind of lame over-the top burst fighting styles but this one slipped through the cracks.
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Man, that's what you get for being vampire... advantage over other 10+ specs and huge pain from magDKs.5 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Man, that's what you get for being vampire... advantage over other 10+ specs and huge pain from magDKs.
It's dumb, Martin.
It's not just a "huge pain" but it's impossible to defend against. They just spam the same burst macro over and over and there is literally nothing you can do to counter it. It's just too much damage and I'm sick of seeing them all do it. It's gotten stupid.
No class - Vampires included - should have to run as their only alternative. Especially considering they spam snare so running isn't exactly easy to do...
If they are going to make Vampires free kills for offensive Dragon Knights then they need to give them an effective escape move against them. Mist form doesn't cut it.Edited by Jeremy on December 13, 2019 7:37PM0 -
Mason_Cane✭✭Mag dk is in a good spot right now. Nerf sorcEdited by Mason_Cane on December 13, 2019 7:41PM9
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GRXRG✭✭✭✭And then instead I find those vampire Magcros or Magdens (even magplars), which I hit for 5k crit Dawnbreaker on my 6k weapon damage toon while they dish out 10k accellerated drain on me...
Dk is strong, especially stamina, but among all of them you choose not the worse one in my opinion (I am not dk main at all).1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And then instead I find those vampire Magcros or Magdens (even magplars), which I hit for 5k crit Dawnbreaker on my 6k weapon damage toon while they dish out 10k accellerated drain on me...
Dk is strong, especially stamina, but among all of them you choose not the worse one in my opinion (I am not dk main at all).
None of those classes you name can put out the damage a Dragon Knight does on me. As I said above, it's impossible to defend against. They are just too powerful against Vampires.0 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭"I dont often call for nerfs" lmao
Stay near your healer? Pop a immov pot? Stay out of melee? Damage output is very high right now.
If you are a vamp and squishy you are asking to be deleted by even average players as long as they time their burst right1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"I dont often call for nerfs" lmao
Stay near your healer? Pop a immov pot? Stay out of melee? Damage output is very high right now.
If you are a vamp and squishy you are asking to be deleted by even average players as long as they time their burst right
Would you like to 1v1 me? I'll meet you right now in Cyrodil and you can decide if I am "squishy" or not.
Edited by Jeremy on December 13, 2019 7:44PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭What "burst macro?"
Wait... what "snare" are they spamming? Because DK only has one snare, and it's a 5m diameter stationary skill that costs a ton.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Mason_Cane wrote: »Vampire you say.
Fire skills hit you hard you say.
They hit too hard Mason.
I'm ok with fire hitting Vampires hard. But when it becomes impossible to defend against, there is a problem.
Edited by Jeremy on December 13, 2019 7:47PM0 -
Mason_Cane✭✭Mason_Cane wrote: »Vampire you say.
Fire skills hit you hard you say.
They hit too hard Mason.
I'm ok with fire hitting Vampires hard. But when it becomes impossible to defend against, there is a problem.
Don't you think you would fair better by getting rid of vampire? Wouldn't it be better for you to adjust then to ask for a nerf to a whole class?
Oh and nerf sorcEdited by Mason_Cane on December 13, 2019 7:51PM5 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If Defile debuffs were available/meaningful, magDk would be totally balanced. In this meta I'll be honest, I avoid melee 1v1 against decent magDK because they have all the advantage. They don't need a nerf, they need counterplay.1 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭> Runs vampire in no CP.
> Complains about DKs actually hurting him.
Duh.
Either get rid of vampire or build defensively (which means you won't have as much damage since in no CP you just don't have it all). Simple.8 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mason_Cane wrote: »Mason_Cane wrote: »Vampire you say.
Fire skills hit you hard you say.
They hit too hard Mason.
I'm ok with fire hitting Vampires hard. But when it becomes impossible to defend against, there is a problem.
Don't you think you would fair better by getting rid of vampire? Wouldn't it be better for you to adjust then to ask for a nerf to a whole class?
Oh and nerf sorc
Maybe.
If they can't balance it properly to where Vampires aren't basically just free kills for well-played Dragon Knights then perhaps they should just remove it. It's not a bad argument you make.Edited by Jeremy on December 13, 2019 7:55PM0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If Defile debuffs were available/meaningful, magDk would be totally balanced. In this meta I'll be honest, I avoid melee 1v1 against decent magDK because they have all the advantage. They don't need a nerf, they need counterplay.
I'm going to have to start avoiding 1v1 against them as well. It's just stupid to fight them.
I'm not opposed to adding some counter play options instead of nerfs. Just so long as something is done.0 -
GRXRG✭✭✭✭Mason_Cane wrote: »Mason_Cane wrote: »Vampire you say.
Fire skills hit you hard you say.
They hit too hard Mason.
I'm ok with fire hitting Vampires hard. But when it becomes impossible to defend against, there is a problem.
Don't you think you would fair better by getting rid of vampire? Wouldn't it be better for you to adjust then to ask for a nerf to a whole class?
Oh and nerf sorc
Maybe.
If they can't balance it properly to where Vampires aren't basically just free kills for well-played Dragon Knights then perhaps they should just remove it. It's not a bad argument you make.
What class and build do you actually run? You play CP or no-CP?2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭> Runs vampire in no CP.
> Complains about DKs actually hurting him.
Duh.
Either get rid of vampire or build defensively (which means you won't have as much damage since in no CP you just don't have it all). Simple.
I'm going to answer you the same way I am going to answer all of these ______ posts.
Would you like to 1v1 me? I'll fight you in Cyrodil right now and you can tell me whether I'm squishy or not? Because I'm sick of debating people who act like they know me or how I play or build my character when they obviously have no clue.Edited by Jeremy on December 13, 2019 8:04PM0 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭> Runs vampire in no CP.
> Complains about DKs actually hurting him.
Duh.
Either get rid of vampire or build defensively (which means you won't have as much damage since in no CP you just don't have it all). Simple.
I'm going to answer you the same way I am going to answer all of these ______ post.
Would you like to 1v1 me? I'll fight you in Cyrodil right now and you can tell me whether I'm squishy or not? Because I'm sick of debating people who act like they know me or how I play or build my character when they obviously have no clue.
What is that, 2005 CS? 1v1 me on Dust 2!1!
You have a problem with survivability. So yes, you are squishy.
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✭✭✭✭✭Mason_Cane wrote: »Mason_Cane wrote: »Vampire you say.
Fire skills hit you hard you say.
They hit too hard Mason.
I'm ok with fire hitting Vampires hard. But when it becomes impossible to defend against, there is a problem.
Don't you think you would fair better by getting rid of vampire? Wouldn't it be better for you to adjust then to ask for a nerf to a whole class?
Oh and nerf sorc
Maybe.
If they can't balance it properly to where Vampires aren't basically just free kills for well-played Dragon Knights then perhaps they should just remove it. It's not a bad argument you make.
What class and build do you actually run? You play CP or no-CP?
NO CP.
I"m a Templar Vampire.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭> Runs vampire in no CP.
> Complains about DKs actually hurting him.
Duh.
Either get rid of vampire or build defensively (which means you won't have as much damage since in no CP you just don't have it all). Simple.
I'm going to answer you the same way I am going to answer all of these ______ post.
Would you like to 1v1 me? I'll fight you in Cyrodil right now and you can tell me whether I'm squishy or not? Because I'm sick of debating people who act like they know me or how I play or build my character when they obviously have no clue.
What is that, 2005 CS? 1v1 me on Dust 2!1!
You have a problem with survivability. So yes, you are squishy.
Duh.
So let's set up a match between you and me in Cyrodil right now and let's see how "squishy" I am?
Talk is cheap.Edited by Jeremy on December 13, 2019 8:03PM0 -
Mason_Cane✭✭Mason_Cane wrote: »Mason_Cane wrote: »Vampire you say.
Fire skills hit you hard you say.
They hit too hard Mason.
I'm ok with fire hitting Vampires hard. But when it becomes impossible to defend against, there is a problem.
DMason_Cane wrote: »Mason_Cane wrote: »Vampire you say.
Fire skills hit you hard you say.
They hit too hard Mason.
I'm ok with fire hitting Vampires hard. But when it becomes impossible to defend against, there is a problem.
Don't you think you would fair better by getting rid of vampire? Wouldn't it be better for you to adjust then to ask for a nerf to a whole class?
Oh and nerf sorc
Maybe.
If they can't balance it properly to where Vampires aren't basically just free kills for well-played Dragon Knights then perhaps they should just remove it. It's not a bad argument you make.
What class and build do you actually run? You play CP or no-CP?
NO CP.
I"m a Templar Vampire.
Run> Runs vampire in no CP.
> Complains about DKs actually hurting him.
Duh.
Either get rid of vampire or build defensively (which means you won't have as much damage since in no CP you just don't have it all). Simple.
I'm going to answer you the same way I am going to answer all of these ______ post.
Would you like to 1v1 me? I'll fight you in Cyrodil right now and you can tell me whether I'm squishy or not? Because I'm sick of debating people who act like they know me or how I play or build my character when they obviously have no clue.
What is that, 2005 CS? 1v1 me on Dust 2!1!
You have a problem with survivability. So yes, you are squishy.
Duh.
So let's set up a match between you and me in Cyrodil right now and let's see how "squishy" I am?
Talk is cheap.
What if he is a mag dkEdited by Mason_Cane on December 13, 2019 8:04PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Mason_Cane wrote: »What if he brings a mag dk to 1v1 you?
He'll still see that I"m not "squishy" so his comments were without merit. So I don't care what he brings.
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Man, that's what you get for being vampire... advantage over other 10+ specs and huge pain from magDKs.
It's dumb, Martin.
It's not just a "huge pain" but it's impossible to defend against. They just spam the same burst macro over and over and there is literally nothing you can do to counter it. It's just too much damage and I'm sick of seeing them all do it. It's gotten stupid.
No class - Vampires included - should have to run as their only alternative. Especially considering they spam snare so running isn't exactly easy to do...
If they are going to make Vampires free kills for offensive Dragon Knights then they need to give them an effective escape move against them. Mist form doesn't cut it.
They need to reduce both vampire's susceptibility to fire and undeath. I'll go with 5/10/15% susceptibility (lstage 2/3/4) and 20% undeath. Well, also if you are not running some extremely expensive food like ATB you can drop to level 1 vampirism if you see too many magDKs around... I just noticed that they appear in huge numbers as I roll vampire, idk if this is coincidence or not.
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Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭Still want the resource return? Lower vamp stage to 2 for a 15% fire vulnerability instead of 25.
Or just drop vamp, it it’s the simplest solution, so obvious.
You built a hardcounter into your build for some free stats and extra abilities and then complain even though you signed up for this.5 -
xylena✭✭✭✭✭Do you really think people are using "macros" for Fossilize then Flame Lash?Retired until we break the Tank Meta5
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