A Final Appeal for Reason

Turelus · June 2017

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I don't think there will be any large changes at this point. ZOS might make some smaller tweaks but over all the update has gone live and many are already adjusting to it.

Alcast has already started putting out videos of how to avoid sustain issues with still having great DPS as well as information on lowering DPS for better sustain if that's what you're after.

I think what he, and many other are after is fun. Combat used to be dynamic, now it plods along. Yeah people can adapt, but have fun? play with style just because? choose a compromised spec for the concept or fun of it? not any more. Choose your cookie cutter spec to be effective, or have a less effective but no more fun character.

Progressing the game means progressing the game, not regressing the players and calling it progress.

The issue was though and even the OP agrees that sustain was at a silly level.
I was running around with no a single regen consideration because I could have 100% uptime on my damage with just my CP and skills.
Now you have to be a little considerate about what you're doing, worst case is you do two or three heavy attacks in a fight just to get some resources back.

Also if people want that spamming without anything else they can still do it. They will just have lower DPS and things will take longer.

idk · June 2017

Turelus wrote: »

I don't think there will be any large changes at this point. ZOS might make some smaller tweaks but over all the update has gone live and many are already adjusting to it.

Alcast has already started putting out videos of how to avoid sustain issues with still having great DPS as well as information on lowering DPS for better sustain if that's what you're after.

I agree that Zos will not make changes at this point. They tend to wait awhile before undoing things.

Those in since before launch may recall Zos saying their reason for abandoning the more traditional MMORPG UI they build for the more basic on was it was always their "vision" that we get our information from the environment. It took them 3 years to realize their "vision" of us getting our information from the environment did not work because the visuals did not work right and were often obscured to the great many visual effects in fights, especially trials. Now we have buff trackers build in.

AzraelKrieg · June 2017

I doubt this will be your last thread or post. I very much doubt you'll quit the game as well.

kunquatb16_ESO · June 2017

Turelus wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I don't think there will be any large changes at this point. ZOS might make some smaller tweaks but over all the update has gone live and many are already adjusting to it.

Alcast has already started putting out videos of how to avoid sustain issues with still having great DPS as well as information on lowering DPS for better sustain if that's what you're after.

I think what he, and many other are after is fun. Combat used to be dynamic, now it plods along. Yeah people can adapt, but have fun? play with style just because? choose a compromised spec for the concept or fun of it? not any more. Choose your cookie cutter spec to be effective, or have a less effective but no more fun character.

Progressing the game means progressing the game, not regressing the players and calling it progress.

The issue was though and even the OP agrees that sustain was at a silly level.
I was running around with no a single regen consideration because I could have 100% uptime on my damage with just my CP and skills.
Now you have to be a little considerate about what you're doing, worst case is you do two or three heavy attacks in a fight just to get some resources back.

Also if people want that spamming without anything else they can still do it. They will just have lower DPS and things will take longer.

Try babysitting a group of new players through a normal pledge. Used to be fun, now it a drudge.

I'm not sure what you mean by spamming. For me it means hammering one or 2 skills repeatedly requiring little skill. Though think you might be including specs with a wide range of situational skill too.

Agobi · June 2017

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

He is right the game is now nothing but 2 things.

1. Resource management.
2. Inventory management.

Not very fun and that is what a game should be at all costs.

This

---actually,this got me thinking its time to take a break...ttfn /wave

edit: perfect timing too "You have 1 days of time remaining on your ESO Plus™ membership"

Kiralyn2000 · June 2017

Hmm, it's odd. Almost every "RPG"-ish game I've ever played has had "resource management" as part of it's gameplay in some way.

From tabletop (and digital) D&D where you needed to carefully husband your HP/daily use items/spell slots through a dungeon, to ARPGs where you had to balance how much MP your abilities used vs MP regeneration abilities, to MMOs where you needed to find regen gear/boost regen stats/drink & eat between pulls/etc, or "cooldown whack-a-mole" games where you managed what skills you used & when. (or combinations of the above - cooldowns+MP, cooldowns+limited use per dungeon, etc).

(I remember WoW having issues balancing that - I remember one "big patch" where they nuked MP regen because high-level raid folks had managed to get nigh-infinite resources for healers/casters.... and screwed over new players because the regen formulas worked fine for people with BiS gear but terribly for folks with green quest gear.)

Xylphan · June 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Bye. I've allready pulled out as I hate how they have mangled this system and disagree with how they chose to handle this. They nerfed us all for a few people being overpowered.

Check out Neverwinter. It might be a bit more hungry for your money, but y'know, at least it's honest about allot of it.

Saying that Neverwinter is more hungry for your money is like saying a nuclear bomb is slightly more powerful than a firecracker.

Xylphan · June 2017

Sausage wrote: »

ESO wasnt boring at one point? The Combat has always been extremely shallow

As opposed to what? The one handed tab targetting play of WoW and FFXIV?

bebynnag · June 2017

i havent posted my thougths on the patch because i needed to try it before i could comment

admitedly i wasnt looking forward to it

i have spent all week playing on various characters

and my conclusion is

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[Edit for bypassing profanity filter]

Iccotak · June 2017

I think the champion point system will eventually go away

ZOS_Bill · June 2017

Creating a thread in order to announce you are leaving the forums is considered a quitting thread and against our forum rules. For this reason the discussion is being closed as it is not constructive.