anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@ManDraKE : read again.

I've just stated a few examples of why people who make money out of teaching the game AND who are included in a players' feedback panel can lead to a conflict of interest.

what conflict of interest? I read your "trying to make the game more hard so they can sell more lessons" argument and is ridiculous. If that is all you have, you better pack up and leave the discussion, nobody is ever going to take that argument seriously.

Sypher wrote: »

You're assuming bias and motivation based off a source of revenue. I get what you're saying, I just think it's a bit silly and paranoid.

Let's say someone mains Templar. Maybe I don't want them to give feedback on Templar because it's their main and they'll most likely be bias towards the class.

Also, I still fail to see the supposed connection of personal training and how that affects our decision making skills in feedback. I teach players to play the game in whatever current state it is. What scenario results in skewed feedback? As in, what balance decision (example) could be skewed in favor of a personal ESO trainer? (Curios)

At the end of the day, you seem to have your mind made up. All I can say to comfort you is Zenimax is smart enough to filter and prioritize our feedback and I think over all this event was a big success for the game.

While I remain unimpressed with the way ZOS handled communicating this event and how ZOS prioritises ongoing issues that affect the whole player base, I have no reason to doubt your comment above 'this event was a big success for the game'.. I think this itself can't be a bad thing.. If anything, ZOS should have more events and not restrict them to 'theory-crafting' etc.

Spotlighting and inviting these players is good but I still think they're not getting a true cross section of their player base. They will get the elitist perspective and that's it. They are completely (imo) missing out on the casual player base. Hey, they spend money too. Maybe just as much or more in some cases. And they know what they want to see in an mmo.It's also a questionable method of survey imo. They choose "leaders" who have hundreds (or more) followers and enshrine them, butter them up if you will so that they will encourage their "followers" to spend $$ on ESO. Doesn't seem right to me.

All I can say is, thank god that they are choosing players to come out to test and get feedback from high profile testers and theorycrafters who don't typically have biased opinions instead of taking to the forums where almost a lot of the good feedback gets buried under piles of unnecessary hate feedback. You have got to be kidding if you are against this method.

I don't care who is invited, I'm just glad they are choosing this road, and I think it is a damn good one. Especially with what they are wanting testing with -- if you really think you are salty because you didn't get invited, do you think you could have helped out as much as the guys who went with giving in-depth feedback on a lot of testings, because really I do not see that much theorycrafting coming from many people outside of the group that got invited. Ask yourselves this question, it's more greed than anything. Really, do you think there is a better group of people out there to give incredible feedback front and back end than the ones who went? Cause I don't see many others posting on the forums who have any clue of what penetration is and how it works or hell, something as basic as increasing magicka also increases your damage.
These topics and some of the comments are some of the worst I have seen in awhile.

As for making money, how is this any different than streaming and getting paid for twitch?

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

General information provided in this thread: (not my personal opinions)
People should not make money from things they enjoy.
People can be passionate about finding fault with others.
People cannot be passionate about what they do for fun and/or from that which they make money.
People who make money from a game are flawed and incapable of being of sound judgement and character.
People who do not make money are ennobled and of good character and judgement.
Some people feel they are entitled to full disclosure about a company's every move and if they don't do it they are an evil empire.
Conclusion:
If we are not vetting somebody for Attorney General, then we must have an agenda of some sort or a real big bone to pick.
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Deltia is on a diet.

Nope. None of what you listed (except perhaps for the salad).
The point is rather that wherever money is involved, it causes bias that should be taken into consideration.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Nope. None of what you listed (except perhaps for the salad).
The point is rather that wherever money is involved, it causes bias that should be taken into consideration.

And you don't think anyone at Zenimax is capable of that consideration? I'm fairly sure there are some fairly smart people at work for them who are capable of sifting through the information they receive. If not they need to disable polls on the forum NOW!!

Oh yes I trust ZOS for taking this into consideration. I mentioned it earlier. I was merely explaining - again - the notion of conflict of interest applied to this specific situation (because people asked me to), but I do trust ZOS to filter stuff out and interprete the feedback correctly.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Nope. None of what you listed (except perhaps for the salad).
The point is rather that wherever money is involved, it causes bias that should be taken into consideration.

I wish this NDA didn't exist so I could hit you with the facts. I'm really disappointed that people actually think that everything is so focused on money that it'd cause concern for something as harmless as player testing. CEO's making millions a year, and we gotta assume that a handful of people making less than 3 figures (I make less than 2 figures from this game myself) are greedy little gremlins looking to squeeze every ounce out of people. I'm done with the narrow minded mentality in this thread. God forbid a man try and put food on his plate to continue doing what he loves and reach out to others.