RESURRECTION OF SORCERES CALLING ALL MAGES

Ryuho · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I never said, that Sorc did not get nerfed Magicka Sorcs got overnerfed.
Everyone I know stopped playing Magicka Sorcerer or rerolled stamina Sorcerer.

Sorcerer is not dead, it's playable. But I feel like we need something. Lifting the nerfs to conjured ward and bolt escape a liddle would be a good start. I just hope, that ZoS realizes the current state of Sorcs and gives us something, to encourage build diversity and make this class fun again.

Right now, Sorcerer is predictable and streamlined and doesn't really have much options. My bar is filled with 2 toggles and only one class ability per bar. When I look at my Nightblade and Templar, there are SO many awesome class ablities, I would slot them all I can't even decide, which abilities I should slot.

The bolt escape got nerfed a while ago already, that's irrelevant to the DB changes. The only real nerf to ward is the duration, but at least now you get to play vamp for the 10% regen and insane dmg reduction, so that kinda makes up the ward nerf.
(Not talking about stacking healing ward on top of it, that was always for bs sorcs).

To be serious (without trolling) then I feel the BIGGEST nerf for magicka sorc was the dawnbreaker change.

Basically, as PvE sorc you don't have enough ability slots and as PvP sorc you don't have enough abilities. But that's also been like that for a while.

And pfft, @Dracane I specifically asked you on guild channel if you are feeling that you are sucking more than prior to DB and you said no ;P

@Vinther that's not true, all skills cost much more in DB, which hurts especially streak/dodge rolling, cause debuff after teleporting/dodging is much more noticable now and unfortunately well fited won't help us..

quadraxis666 · June 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

5 Infal Aether, 5 Elegant, Maelstrom Lightning Staff

enjoy your easy mode left click build

They have to l2p to get that stuff, they can't, catch 22.
I don't main a sorc, I have one that is parked in TF to get the T3 reward each month and that's it, his build is a cheesey easy mode with gear that's attainable/craftable even for nooblets:

1x Kena
5x Julianos (inc both weapons)
5x Vicious Death (inc Jewellery)

usual sorc spamabilities + inevitable det + meteor ulti.
Just follow zergs around healing them with your off-bar if you go resto. Don't get caught alone or you'll get "rekt"
Stay in the crowds for safety and watch your killing blows go through the roof.
Then log out and play one of your proper toons until next month.

dsalter · June 2016

the only thing holding sorcs back are toggles and overload. toggles are just flat out boring and only semi useful, overload is a crutch we rely on due to no real ability to keep up pressure.

change both and they might start actually making good changes to the sorc class...

Vinther · June 2016

Just saying that to all these ppl crying about shield nerfs.

Just think it from another player's perspective if you meet a full glass cannon with 15k max health running 30k+ shields up 24/7 with only way to beat them is to use shield breaker.

Go take a look at the duel contest or PvP videos, every single BADDIE was able to do amazing on sorc because IT WAS OVERPOWERED.

Hell, I rarely played my sorc and I did better than I did on my Stam DK in 1vX.

End of thread. If you are saying it was normal, you are clueless.

Fasoo · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

Just saying that to all these ppl crying about shield nerfs.

Just think it from another player's perspective if you meet a full glass cannon with 15k max health running 30k+ shields up 24/7 with only way to beat them is to use shield breaker.

Go take a look at the duel contest or PvP videos, every single BADDIE was able to do amazing on sorc because IT WAS OVERPOWERED.

Hell, I rarely played my sorc and I did better than I did on my Stam DK in 1vX.

End of thread. If you are saying it was normal, you are clueless.

Lol a sorc has about 19-23k health and at MAX I've seen a sorc with 23k shields, you're funny. "Only way to beat them is shieldbreaker" gtfo, there's many ways to beat a sorc besides using a duck tape fix set that shouldn't even be in the game anymore due to the changes, even if you did play sorc like you said go into it this patch and you would get absolutely stomped, I can count the number of good sorc left on one hand, just maybe telling you that they did a little bit of an over nerf.

What sorcs need is a revamped skill line , they are still stuck in 1.6 and pre meta with their skills, it's a joke honestly. And yes, 6 second shield times are fine, but shield stack weaving in general takes skill and not many people have the crutch of long shield times so they suck.

PC NA server BTW

Minalan · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

But just for the sake of argument; I'm happy that all the shield stacking sorcs (read: scrubs) are crying over the shield nerf whilst completely ignoring the beefed up vamp passives/skills on mag. sorc and not realizing that hardened ward almost never lasted the full 6 seconds when you were being hit anyway. Not gonna explain it further because you probably wont get it anyway because you sound like one of those resto staff sorcs, those are horrible, dont be them.

@Dracane do you feel horribly nerfed in PvP?

Alright, for a troll you're funny and I can't stop laughing.

Resto staff sorcs? You mean healers? I'm not one, but I certainly never complain about the free mutagen and healing wards.

Shield stackers are all bad? You mean like Alex (LegendaryMage)?

You're still funny though man, I look forward to your next post!

vamp_emily · June 2016

To be completely honest with you. You can do what I did when every single sorc screamed "Nerf NBs".

Roll a Mag Templar. Step in my house and see if u make it out alive

Dang it, I just thought of a new name "Emily Jab Queen" guess I have to make my 11th character.

ForsakenSin · June 2016

Its a shame that this thread ive created was to pull mages together for us to work together to come up with ideas and share information has turned toxic and attracted trolls .

As i said if you are 1% that is fine with mages great if you don't want to share your ideas and help others don't need to be here talking about L2P im sure you can go somewhere else and tell people how great you are and stroke your online ego.

For the others 99% please bring ideas here regardless if its a stam magica pvp or pve

We have many many threads on forums regarding what had to be changed and ideas it didn't work nobody will listen to us , so please lets put that aside and try to work together and come up with ideas

And if you have a build that is working for you please place it here.

Now i havent tried it but yet but im thinking of of doing three things first to try for pve

making light whitestrikes for survival moments giving you shield when your health goes down and placing health glyfs i know the damage might be lower but health would be go up and survival

also im trying to farm briarheart and trying out the stam build

and im also thinking about using magica build with Pelinal's Aptitude

Lightninvash · June 2016

ForsakenSin wrote: »

OK boys and girls , my main character is a mage it always was in every game and always will be, those for who's main are mages you know the satisfaction you get when playing as a mage.

Ive been pretty much part of every discussion on this forum regarding our nerfing, our confusing skill lines , our pets ability that we need on both bars , nerfing on shields and no matter how much we raise our voices our concerns our votes our amazing alternative ideas they have all fallen on death ears.

All while we are getting trolled by other happy races that that mages got weak as they got what they cried.

So i am aware that our mages are bad i am aware that we do not stand close to other classes be it in dps, sustain ect, i am aware many of us have lost hope and abandon mages ( i know i have) we have lost many of great brothers and sisters who had enough and i am aware of no future changes will happen.

So i am angry and tired, i am angry at the fact we got nerferd pve got screwed cos of pvp i am tired of everything we have done on this forum to not have any effect and all my time ive spend playing as mage making a build i enjoyed playing has gone to waste and i refuse to go out without at least a fight.

All those 1% of mages saying mages are fine and even op share your build and don't just say L2P as for the rest of us let us all unite and try to figure out a build that will be better then what we were, be it stamina build or magica, tank,dps ect for PVP and PVE.

So place your ideas about armor , weapons traits, monuds, rings skill lines morphs , numbers of damage anything and everything that will keep the think tank going and if you have a build post it here.

Lets show we shall not go down without a fight but unite and rise from the nerfs and unleash hell.

And if we fail at least then we can say " we have tried everything we could and its time to let go"

This is a calling so who is with me?

YES YES group together so I can magicka det you all with some VD and wipe you from the forums bwahahahahahha!!

But in all seriousness Sorcs are fun even if they get nerfed a lot. I hope you did mean Sorcs when you kept tying mages because a mage could be any magical char like my Templar healer is a mage but not a sorc that gets nerfed every patch haha.

ForsakenSin · June 2016

LOL @Lightninvash at the moment it would not surprise me lol

yes i mean sorc when i say mage what is your build ?

Lightninvash · June 2016

ForsakenSin wrote: »

LOL @Lightninvash at the moment it would not surprise me lol

yes i mean sorc when i say mage what is your build ?

for my sorc i have a pet/ healing build so i can do passive dps in PVE and heal at the same time. In pvp i just roll with it my sorc was only v1 before the DB patch so i gotta work on it haha

Serenityx · June 2016

Let me help the OP here:

TL;DR here is all you need to read

Nifty2g wrote: »

5 Infal Aether, 5 Elegant, Maelstrom Lightning Staff

enjoy your easy mode left click build

Vinther wrote: »

holosoul wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

And for those who cry about Sorcs nerfed in PvP, then it truly is a L2P issue because Sorcs actually got buffed in PvP. (If you dont get the reason why, then you should not even be playing a sorc or pvp at all because you are clueless).

Stop it. Harness magicka was a nerf and no one is casting 3 shields in actual practice. I literally have not seen it once since DB. Don't even pretend you PVP on your sorc if you even have one. You probably have a magicka templar or NB so of course the change to annulment was a buff for you.

You're not fooling any sorc when you say senseless things like, "You guys got buffed!"
No, not even wrobel thinks that.
That's how ridiculous what you're saying is.

You're too clueless to argue with. Definitely a L2P issue. You'll probably cry during whatever class you play anyway

Have nice day.

RebornV3x · June 2016

These posts are funny all the people that say sorcs didn't get nerfed or L2P I dream of the day your favorite class gets smacked with a nerf I will have some laughs

Anyways Ive been doing 2x Kena 5 Julianos 3x Willpower not bad for PVE but I have crap regen and I don't really like it but it gets the job done in PVP my other build got ruined by this patch so Ive just using these sets as a placeholder and hope Sorcs get a spammable DPS ability someday similar to trapping webs.

ForsakenSin · June 2016

Serenityx congrats ... ...slow clap ...

And for those who don't have Infal Aether ?

@RebornV3x LOL next dlc

Actually yhea im running the same set up 2x Kena 5 Julianos 3x Willpower and same as you having a low regen of less then 1k with full magica build

This is why i want to find out people who made other builds and how they went with them

FrostFallFox · June 2016

What if I'm a Mage but not a Sorcerer Mage?

holosoul · June 2016

FrostFallFox wrote: »

What if I'm a Mage but not a Sorcerer Mage?

Sorry, you must be a light armor tank with godly dps and insane rocket like mobility to qualify.

Faulgor · June 2016

I'm currently trying to build a sorcerer tank (heavy armor), but that's probably not what you are looking for.

Previously I had a heavy armor destro sorc, and although I have since reset him to stamina it's been quite fun. 5x Bahraha's Curse, 5x Julianos, 1x Kena. It's interesting although tricky to play, because you want to get hit as much as possible to recover magicka, and you want to hit as much as possible to trigger your surge heal and Bahraha's Curse. A build that always forces you to jump into action, running will only get you killed. Very fun against the DLC world bosses, but terrible for single target dps.

My stamina sorcerer uses DW/Bow, with 5x Twice Born Star, 3x Agility, 3x Night Mother's Gaze. Obviously thief and shadow mundus, sitting at 77% crit with 2 daggers. It's a very basic stamina playstyle, and it works quite well. My surge heal crits for 6k, which is pretty amazing healing over time.

I don't use either in PvP, but from what I can tell, sorcerers are still pretty good there.

Duiwel · June 2016

holosoul wrote: »

@Duiwel It was a multi page back and forth so I don't expect you to read it but I was really explicit in saying that I hate shields as a mechanic and don't want them back. Primarily we were talking about whether or not magicka sorc was nerfed, he was claiming that magicka sorc was buffed. That is something I strongly disagree with, and it extends beyond class skills. If anything, the nerf to shields only revealed the flaws inherent to the sorcerer class design that has been crumbling now for quite some time underneath the haze of shields.

@holosoul ah my bad I only read the first response by each party when I gave my reply ( the conversation could have moved on by then ).

I agree with you then, however they don't need to change anything other than allow the skills already in game to be accessable.

There are more than 4 different types of mage skill lines that are "locked" to the player.

Necromancy, Nature magic, fire magic, Frost magic to name just the 4 basic ones. There are more complicated ones too ( red and even purple effects being 2 more ) not sure what to call them since "Dark Magic" is already a skill tree line for the sorc.

Perhaps Black Magic? Nether magic? who cares the point is the class doesn't have to suck they just have to allow access to more skills for better choices.

holosoul · June 2016

Duiwel wrote: »

holosoul wrote: »

@Duiwel It was a multi page back and forth so I don't expect you to read it but I was really explicit in saying that I hate shields as a mechanic and don't want them back. Primarily we were talking about whether or not magicka sorc was nerfed, he was claiming that magicka sorc was buffed. That is something I strongly disagree with, and it extends beyond class skills. If anything, the nerf to shields only revealed the flaws inherent to the sorcerer class design that has been crumbling now for quite some time underneath the haze of shields.

@holosoul ah my bad I only read the first response by each party when I gave my reply ( the conversation could have moved on by then ).

I agree with you then, however they don't need to change anything other than allow the skills already in game to be accessable.

There are more than 4 different types of mage skill lines that are "locked" to the player.

Necromancy, Nature magic, fire magic, Frost magic to name just the 4 basic ones. There are more complicated ones too ( red and even purple effects being 2 more ) not sure what to call them since "Dark Magic" is already a skill tree line for the sorc.

Perhaps Black Magic? Nether magic? who cares the point is the class doesn't have to suck they just have to allow access to more skills for better choices.

Ya, in the short term I wouldn't mind seeing some more DoT abilities.
For example, take dark exchange and stick it in the mage guild tree (replacing equilibrium)
Don't nerf it, straight up replace equilibrium with dark exchange exactly as it is right now.

Then where dark exchange used to be, put a DoT. Something like 1000 damage (500 after battlespirit) per second for 6 seconds, slowing the opponent by 50%.

Then take conjured ward. Simply get rid of it. It's redundant now since annulment (light armor) is exactly the same skill with the same shield value and duration.
In it's place put another DoT, Deals 1000 damage per second after battle spirit (2000 PVE with cp501 gold gear endgame stats) and heals 50% of damage dealt to the primary target, deals 25% of its damage to players nearby the afflicted enemy (no life leech for aoe)

That would be awesome

Then I could have a necro rot build

incite · June 2016

Didnt know there will still people existing that say sorcs arent nerfed, better yet, they are buffed -_- , besides people who complain about shieldstacking are nublets, same like people who complain about mines, about bol, about scales blabla :-) anyway on topic, ive adapted to these new changes and im doing well both in duels and 1vX , i only use 1 shield hardened ward on my front bar and i weave it between my attacks to have shield up most of the time...hope this helps a bit

Jar_Ek · June 2016

Wow this thread has unravelled completely.
As for gear for my stamina sorcerer (mained since pre console launch) it depends on what I feel like.

Hundrings, Agility, Kena, Maelstrom
Briarheart, B. Curse
Black Rose, Twice Born, Clever Alchemist

They will all work for you depending on what you are trying to do (ie tanky, glass cannon, sustainable dps, etc).

forgottengd · June 2016

Hey guys. I have some video for all who think clannfear is very helpful (I hope it's ZOS only).
So. Stamina Sorcerer. Clannfear. Full Hunt set. Is this what ZOS want when brought this set in the game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqyy_KbYcI8

Jar_Ek · June 2016

@forgottengd Clannfear only works for stamina sorcerers when they are a main tank (the sorcerer not the Clannfear) because then the healer can help you keep them alive... because you sure as hell can't.

ZOS_DaryaK · June 2016

We've removed quite a lot of posts that were inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic. There's no need to comment if you have nothing constructive to contribute.

Averya_Teira · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

Hahaha, you don't even know how to PvE either, lol.

Here's a proper Sorc destro/dw bar setup for you for optimal min/max DPS and spell management for ST dps (as the typical OL build)

staff: elemental blockade, force pulse, crystal frags, bound aegis, inner light, shooting star
dw: liquid lightning, mage's wrath, boundless storm, bound aegis, inner light, power overload
overload bar: liquid lightning, twilight tormentor, boundless storm, bound aegis, inner light

Please go back to the drawing board.

Your pet is only on your overload bar you know that right ?that's useless...

waterfairy · June 2016

I don't min/max so I still will play my sorcerer even though ZOS has made it harder on me to solo stuff. I recently started a vampire Altmer sorcerer that I will play in spite of being weakened because I like him.

Xundiin · June 2016

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Hahaha, you don't even know how to PvE either, lol.

Here's a proper Sorc destro/dw bar setup for you for optimal min/max DPS and spell management for ST dps (as the typical OL build)

staff: elemental blockade, force pulse, crystal frags, bound aegis, inner light, shooting star
dw: liquid lightning, mage's wrath, boundless storm, bound aegis, inner light, power overload
overload bar: liquid lightning, twilight tormentor, boundless storm, bound aegis, inner light

Please go back to the drawing board.

Your pet is only on your overload bar you know that right ?that's useless...

You do that because that's your burst bar. So you use the DPS morph of twilight pet and use her buff to increase her DPS. Once she dies you don't recast her till you go into another burst phase ( 1000 ult).

So it's not useless, it's eeking out every bit of DPS you can.

ForsakenSin · June 2016

@Faulgor

I was thinking of trying the Bahraha's Curse what do you think between Bahraha's Curse and briarheart ?

And those who got briarheart is it bound on pick up ?

Faulgor · June 2016

ForsakenSin wrote: »

@Faulgor

I was thinking of trying the Bahraha's Curse what do you think between Bahraha's Curse and briarheart ?

And those who got briarheart is it bound on pick up ?

Wasn't incredibly fond of Briarheart when I tried it out, but it's not a bad set by any means.
Regardless, if you're stamina try Briarheart, if you're magicka try Bahraha's Curse. The heal from Briarheart alone is not worth it to use on a magicka character, and Bahraha's Curse does magic damage, so you'll do better with a magicka builds that already invests in that.

And yes, Briarheart is BoP, which makes it so hard to farm

ForsakenSin · June 2016

@Faulgor

Thank you for that info damm its BoP will need to start farming it i was not aware that Bahraha's Curse is better for magica so thanx for that.

i will try to farm Briarheart and go full stamina build with few other changes and see how we go