ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for the Dark Brotherhood Skill Line. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes:

• We’d love to hear your feedback on each skill, particularly the Blade of Woe.
• How did you like the execution camera?
  • What was your overall impression of the Blade of Woe killing experience?
  • Were you able to exit out of the execution camera when you wanted to?
  • Did you turn the camera off at any point, or leave it on?
• Did you like the Assassin’s style item that you received?
• Did you enjoy the visuals for each skill?
• Did you find that you were able to execute entire towns and potentially block other players’ progression?
• If you acquired the Shadowy Connections skill, did you find a Shadowy Supplier afterwards?
  • Were you able to acquire a boon from the Supplier?
  • Do you think the boon help with murder and mayhem enough to go back to the Supplier regularly?
  • Any feedback on the quantity or quality of the boons?
• If you acquired Padomaic Sprint, did you find it was exciting? Did you find any NPCs in Cyrodiil that you could use this against?
• Do you have any other general feedback?

I absolutely love the Blade of Woe. A great callback to the series and a great new gameplay mechanic. I love the cinematic camera shots (there should be more down the road ), the variety of executions, and the brutal animations. Amazing.

My only real issue is that as a Vampire it's awkward to pull off. "X" is the feed button, so I often get one or the other and it's confusing/does not allow me to execute one or the other when I want to. It would be nice if this was mapped to another key and/or can be custom mapped (I don't believe that it currently can be).

Another cool thing would be if we could turn off the indicator. I don't like that I'm stalking someone and then I hear a ping noise followed by an onscreen prompt that says that I can perform this action. I would prefer to press the executioner key (ideally not "X", once again) and for it to just happen or not, depending on the distance between myself and an NPC.

Keep up the good work It's great to see the amount of care and detail that went into this DLC!

Yeah, as a vampire (and I am sure a lot of other will be with dark brotherhood), being able to reliably choose whether to feed or execute will be critical, especially now that the vamp passives will be tied to vampire stages (which I like). However, it I am trying to be super sneaky with my dark stalker passive, and then suddenly get rid of it by accident when I feed instead of execute, that is not fun.

I just killed every NPC in Kvatch, leaving a trail of bodies everywhere and guards and NPCs are just walking on top of them and no one batted an eye or pretended to care. It feels unrealistic and unbalanced, I feel there needs to be some risk in it, the NPCs should call a local guard, and the guard should be on alert around the body, it can't be that hard to do Devs.

I also made a thread about the above topic:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/262538/guards-and-npcs-desperately-need-to-react-to-dead-bodies?new=1

I have more feedback and would share this in a separate post.

I really like the Blade of Woe Ability. But just one question. Is it supposed to Insta-kill any "normal" story mob?

The shadowy supplier passive ability doesn't seem to be working. This is not from the skill line but it has to do with DB so ill report it here The Black Hand Robe costume is extremely bloated on the upper part chest and the Shrouded Armor costume clips on the feet of beast races.

How did you like the execution camera?
Execution camera was a nice touch initially, gave a nice touch of cinematics to normal assassinations.

What was your overall impression of the Blade of Woe killing experience?
Was intuitive enough. The biggest draw of the Blade of Woe is that it allows for bounty-free kills (assuming you aren't spotted) but this sometimes fails due to weird NPC spot mechanics. This ability to avoid the bounty is what I like the most.

Were you able to exit out of the execution camera when you wanted to?
Wasn't aware I could do that.

Did you turn the camera off at any point, or leave it on?
I turned it off after a while. The camera bugs out if your target is next to objects like boxes/walls etc. The camera would often get stuck in the wall etc. and I decided it wasn't working well enough for me to use. Also, the slow motion would activate when I initiated combat and I would often get hit by the other mobs while I was busy assassinating the first.

Did you like the Assassin’s style item that you received?
Too rare to be useful honestly. Need to increase the drop rate significantly. In over 100 kills I only received 4 fragments. Make the style material much more common please.

Did you enjoy the visuals for each skill?
Nice enough, nothing too spectacular though.

Did you find that you were able to execute entire towns and potentially block other players’ progression?
The biggest obstacle I can forsee is the Litany of Blood quests/any quest with targets in the open world. If the NPCs aren't instanced EVERY PLAYER is going to be competing to assassinate this ONE NPC. This is rubbish. Griefers are going to camp the hell out of these special NPCs. Something has to be changed.

If you acquired the Shadowy Connections skill, did you find a Shadowy Supplier afterwards?
[*] Were you able to acquire a boon from the Supplier?
[*] Do you think the boon help with murder and mayhem enough to go back to the Supplier regularly?
[*] Any feedback on the quantity or quality of the boons?
N/A, the supplier doesn't give me anything. Could we just make it a once/twice a day mail with one item of each class please? Like everyday/every 12 hours the NPC sends you a mail with some poisons, some disguises, a weapon or armour piece (perhaps style materials?). No point running all the way back for one item. The NPC has no dialogue anyway so cutting her makes no difference either way.

If you acquired Padomaic Sprint, did you find it was exciting? Did you find any NPCs in Cyrodiil that you could use this against?
Padomaic Sprint is quite useless honestly. I find the effect so underwhelming that gameplay is not significantly different with or without it. Needs major reworking. I suggest changing it to "Dance of Death" or something and adding "all incoming attacks will 100% miss for 3/4/5/6 seconds after using the Blade of Woe" on top of the increased speed for 6/8/10/12 seconds after a successful kill. Kill, and you have a small grace period to run from the guards or fight back. This would also solve the problem of the killcam "freezing" you in place allowing enemies to get free hits in. Perfect.

Do you have any other general feedback?

General feedback for the other skills:

Scales of Pitiless Justice: Suggest changing to any bounty received is reduced by 30/40/50/60%. Right now value is too low and too situational to be worth 4 skill points.

Padomaic Sprint: See above, again not worth 4 skill points.

Shadowy Supplier: Not worth collecting the supplies, see above. Change to mail delivery please. Less legwork involved.

Shadow Rider: Another useless passive. If I'm mounted and aggroed, I'll simply outrun the mob. It's completely useless. I fail to see how mounting has ANYTHING to do with the DB. Replace the effect with something completely different please. I suggest changing it to something like "Grasp of Sithis" that increases the range at which you can use the Blade of Woe, allowing for "throwing knife" style stealth kills from afar.

Spectral Assassin: Increase the chance to 40% or something please. 15% is again too low to be useful.

It is not really much of a tree. I kinda wish you didn't make us waste skill points on these impotent patch specific mini - game faux skill lines. It's fine that they exist. If you don't really want to put out new skill lines that's fine. But can you like auto reward these passives by linking them to the story line so I don't have to pay for a skill reset after I experience the new content?

I love Blade of Woe (haven't unlocked anything else yet), but I encountered a problem with it in the Heist Daily for the Thieves Guild. Assassinating an enemy inside the Heist, while hidden and with no witnesses, causes the timer to be reduced and the "Your Crew has Been Spotted.." message to play. I was really looking forward to assassinating the npcs that are blocking my way instead of waiting for them to path away or assassinating npcs that seem to always stare directly at the chests...

How do I get the skill line ? I got the dlc, went to region but I don`t have any q or skill line.

Spectral assassin at 15% IS too low. 15% means you can never expect it to proc so you will not behave any differently at all with it vs. without it. That makes it almost worthless.

• We’d love to hear your feedback on each skill, particularly the Blade of Woe.
• How did you like the execution camera?
  It's interesting, I do like how it's a bounty-free kill but sometimes the slow animation leaves you wide open to NPC's that come around when your kill should have occurred fast enough to not linger in place.
• What was your overall impression of the Blade of Woe killing experience?
  I like the 'ping' notification, but sometimes the distance of approach is very inconsistent. Also the tooltip about eligible targets omits that almost all guards and dialogued-townsfolk are immune to the Blade, meaning you often have to guess and approach an NPC to see if you can kill them.
• Were you able to exit out of the execution camera when you wanted to?
  I didn't even know that was an option. There should be a cue that instructs you that you can?
• Did you turn the camera off at any point, or leave it on?
  Again, I didn't know I could turn it off. >_<
• Did you like the Assassin’s style item that you received?
  If you mean the personality, I do and I have offered specific feedback on that in another thread.
• Did you enjoy the visuals for each skill?
  By and large yes, but I don't think I have seen all of them yet. I'm still early on in the quests and skill line.
• Did you find that you were able to execute entire towns and potentially block other players’ progression?
  I never even considered this as an option, and given that the DB DLC is PVE content, I would consider it griefing to have such indirect PVP tactics used in PVE content.
• Do you have any other general feedback?

I agree with one of the above suggestions that the Scales of Pitiless Justice be adjusted to any bounty. As it is right now those four skill points are better spent in the Thieves Guild line to cool off Heat/Bounty rapidly.