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Inner light breaks clouding swarm's invisibility.

Erondil
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The title says everything, clouding swarm's doesnt grant invisbility if someone activated innerlight in the last 5 seconds and the invisbility is lost if somebody uses it during the swarm.
Now, it's probably working as intended since it's been the same since 1.6 with radiant mage light and flare, and the point of new active inner light is to remove any kind of invisbility but however, this needs to be looked at, and I hope changed.
With the recent buffs to this skill, a lot of magicka build especially group players will run inner light on at least 1 bar so in a medium/large scale fight its very unlikely there won't be anyone using it which would make the clouding swarm morph useless if it remains as it is. Of course invisibility needs counters and I'm fine with it working for cloak, but a 158/250 cost ultimate shouldn't have such easy hardcounter especially since the clouding swarm user can not anticipate it nor counter inner light (unlike meteor for example..)
Clouding swarm grants a 6 seconds invisibility with a cooldown of roughly 50 seconds, can already be countered by mark target, radiant mage light, revealing flare and on top of that comes with many disadvantages (weakness to fire damage, 9% more damage taken, fighters guild skills...) so I would dare to say its fine as it is, or at least shouldn't be completely useless when one ennemy uses one of the most powerful buff for magicka builds. I don't know why anyone would want to be vampire and morph to clouding swarm if this change goes through considering the strength of fighters guild skills and the rise of magicka dragonknights.
Also I will use this post to point out that mark target makes somebody in clouding swarm visible for everybody (and not only the nightblade using mark as written in the tooltip) which needs to be finally fixed after over 1 year.
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  • Alucardo
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    I don't run bats, but this sounds like a bug. Inner Light should not take away the invisibility effect of an ultimate like that, especially when its main purpose is to hide you.
  • Cinbri
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    Do you mean on pts? Coz on live it can proc same staff, not always but still.
  • Alucardo
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    Cinbri wrote: »
    Do you mean on pts? Coz on live it can proc same staff, not always but still.

    Thread was posted in the PTS category, so yeah I'd say just PTS. I'm guessing the change they made to inner light and cloak has affected clouding swarm too.
  • Erondil
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    Cinbri wrote: »
    Do you mean on pts? Coz on live it can proc same staff, not always but still.

    Yes on pts. On live you don't get invisibility if you use clouding swarm with somebody using radiant mage light nearby.
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  • Erondil
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    Bump as I havent seen anything related to this in the patch note.
    @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel is this being looked at, and working as intended? If no, any ETA on a fix?
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  • Dread_Guy
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    I think this has to be a bug since in the tool tip, clouding swarm is suppose to regrant invisibility if it's broken
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  • Xeniph
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    I think this has to be a bug since in the tool tip, clouding swarm is suppose to regrant invisibility if it's broken

    I'm not so sure it's a bug at all. They have gone on a crusade against stealth/invisibility. I do however think they will adjust it to either not include clouding, or give it another effect.


    Edit* Especially when you consider Mark has been able to see you through the duration since 1.6? But it was only the Mark-er that could see you.
    Edited by Xeniph on February 9, 2016 8:16PM
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  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    Here's the thing. Piercing Mark already could do this.

    However i also hated how Radiant Mage Light pre patch could not do this since it was tick based and clouding swarm invis ticked faster.

    I think it's a good thing that you can finally now reveal enemy's in clouding swarm... but it's a bad thing that mage/inner light can do it.

    Radiant Mage Light should be the only counter. Not the whole skill.
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  • Master_Kas
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    They didn't want scales to reflect meteor because it's an ultimate?

    Then neither should inner light /radiant break invis from a ultimate.

    Fully agree dennegor.

    I hope this is a bug :/
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  • RoamingRiverElk
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    I don't think anything should reveal someone while using Clouding Swarm.

    Even the tooltip says that invisibility is regranted if it is broken.

    It's an ultimate and the only good thing about that morph is the invisibility - there really will be no use choosing that morph if it's likely that you will be revealed while using it. Also, NPCs will keep on attacking you with single target skills too when you're in the cloud.
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  • Erondil
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    Xeniph wrote: »
    Edit* Especially when you consider Mark has been able to see you through the duration since 1.6? But it was only the Mark-er that could see you.
    Actually mark used to reveal through clouding swarm since at least 1.5 (I havent used invis bats before) and its not only the mark-er that can see you. Basically when you're marked and use clouding swarm, if you hit somebody or use a skill that breaks stealth (healing ward, fear,roll dodge... anything that get you detected while in stealth) everybody will be able to see you. If you dont hit anything and dont use skills (or only skills that dont break stealth) then only the mark-er is able to see you.

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  • KenaPKK
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    Yea this shouldn't be this way. I don't even play vamp and I think Clouding Swarm should not be detected by Magelight.
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  • FlyLeaf30
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    I don't think this should happen considering batswarm is a skill ult. Should not be confused with cloak for NB. Sounds like a bug to me.
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  • NovaShadow
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    This is one bug I actually like. I cannot count the amount of times I've been killed with this ult simply because the bats don't register on my screen. Some invisible person is killing me. If this is actually intended I'll def be running magelight.
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  • silky_soft
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    Null field get rid of ulti shield. So I'd say intended. All this bs about making meteor non reflect is *** everything up. That means you should be able to block my soul harvest or return it to me with a shield
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  • Erondil
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    Bump as this issue is still not adressed in 2.3.2. As @RoamingRiverElk pointed out, the tooltip of clouding swarm itself says invisbility is regranted if broken so this is definitely a bug. Any ETA on this @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel ?
    Just a confirmation it's a known bug and hopefully being adressed soon would be much appreciated :)
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  • Master_Kas
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    Erondil wrote: »
    Bump as this issue is still not adressed in 2.3.2. As @RoamingRiverElk pointed out, the tooltip of clouding swarm itself says invisbility is regranted if broken so this is definitely a bug. Any ETA on this @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel ?
    Just a confirmation it's a known bug and hopefully being adressed soon would be much appreciated :)

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  • Aunatar
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    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Bump as this issue is still not adressed in 2.3.2. As @RoamingRiverElk pointed out, the tooltip of clouding swarm itself says invisbility is regranted if broken so this is definitely a bug. Any ETA on this @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel ?
    Just a confirmation it's a known bug and hopefully being adressed soon would be much appreciated :)

    Don't hold your breath.

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  • eventide03b14a_ESO
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    The tooltip says that invisibility will be granted even if it's broken. They need to change the tooltip if that's not the case. Also there isn't any point in taking this morph anymore if that's the case.
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  • ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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    We're looking into this, folks (including whether or not it's intended.) Thank you!
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  • Erondil
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    We're looking into this, folks (including whether or not it's intended.) Thank you!

    Thanks for the answer Jessica! Really appreciated :)
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  • Junkogen
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    We're looking into this, folks (including whether or not it's intended.) Thank you!

    You guys don't fully understand the ramifications of your changes before you implement them? That's more than a little troubling.
  • dsalter
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    We're looking into this, folks (including whether or not it's intended.) Thank you!

    hopefully it's not intended, it's kind of the main reason that morph is taken at all is to avoid being seen during it, and would it be possible for just a tiny nudge at the other devs to give devouring an iddy biddy damage intake reduction during the duration? ;)
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  • Helluin
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    It was already reported also in the main bug compilation thread.
    I hope also other bugs there in that topic are read to acknowledge them and let us know something about.
    Edited by Helluin on February 17, 2016 1:35AM
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  • Jhunn
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    This will make it to the live server.

    You heard it here first.
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  • Thevampirenight
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    Well, vampire invisibility should not be breakable!
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  • CP5
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    I think this has to be a bug since in the tool tip, clouding swarm is suppose to regrant invisibility if it's broken

    Magelight explicitly breaks invisibility and on pts prevents it from being reapplied. That's what clouding swarm does, it reapplies invisibility when its broken, but it cannot when it is either being bypassed already or being blocked.
  • Didgerion
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    It took ZOS a lot of effort to bring the current cloak mechanics to a stable state more or less and here you go they totally changed the mechanics again - that's a bad sign.
  • Jeezye
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    If you're actually fixing this ultimate after all the time, PLEASE include that you won't be hit by abilities casted before you activate it.
    Right now, when you enter swarm, you´'ll still get hit by all charged, channeled, or casted abilites before that and even a few after.

    E.G.: DK crit rushes -> activating swarm -> dk WBs -> you'll still get hit by charge and WB.

    that doesn't make sence at all. NBs are dodging everything when they cloak and so should swarm do. You loose like 1-2 of your 5 sec by still getting hit.

    I would really appreciate that since vamps are in a bad spot already due to fighters guild and stuff.
    Edited by Jeezye on February 17, 2016 6:21PM
  • Alorier
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    Didn't elusive mist get nerfed with a reduction on Sprint speed and now the ultimate may be nerfed as well lol so making a Magicka vampire Templar was really a bad move
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