Zinaroth wrote: »

Like any game company, they are in full control of the game, which means they can do anything within the game, including restoring characters or creating a new and giving items to players.

I think the problem lies in Zenimax (the publicer) hiring people without the competence to do stuff like that, because it is cheaper. So the people you get in contact with are not allowed to, or capable of, performing such action, and they have been told that they should tell the customers it's too bad, because that is the cheaper way of dealing with such an issue.

So in short; Zenimax can't be bothered providing proper customer service that is standard in any other MMO nowadays, because it costs more.

I'm sorry sir, but you're mentality is messed up. I understand that it is frustrating to loose your characters, I would feel just as frustrated if the same thing happened to me as OP, but as someone else mentioned (even the OP admitted to it), this is NOT ZoS's undoing, and the OP has violated the ToS, which was not to share his/her account. Sometimes customers also have to realize that they have to follow rules, I know most of us don't read the ToS, but you have to understand that companies have rules and regulations they follow. I know it's a chore to be re-making characters or re-learning motifs, etc, but honestly, it's your fault. Move on-- either to a new game or re-make your character.

me_ming wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Like any game company, they are in full control of the game, which means they can do anything within the game, including restoring characters or creating a new and giving items to players.

I think the problem lies in Zenimax (the publicer) hiring people without the competence to do stuff like that, because it is cheaper. So the people you get in contact with are not allowed to, or capable of, performing such action, and they have been told that they should tell the customers it's too bad, because that is the cheaper way of dealing with such an issue.

So in short; Zenimax can't be bothered providing proper customer service that is standard in any other MMO nowadays, because it costs more.

I'm sorry sir, but you're mentality is messed up. I understand that it is frustrating to loose your characters, I would feel just as frustrated if the same thing happened to me as OP, but as someone else mentioned (even the OP admitted to it), this is NOT ZoS's undoing, and the OP has violated the ToS, which was not to share his/her account. Sometimes customers also have to realize that they have to follow rules, I know most of us don't read the ToS, but you have to understand that companies have rules and regulations they follow. I know it's a chore to be re-making characters or re-learning motifs, etc, but honestly, it's your fault. Move on-- either to a new game or re-make your character.

The point for my post isn't for me to cry about losing my character or even debate who is breaching which terms etc. The point is, support have not given me any reason for my character not being restored. They are just palming me off with "Lore Excuses". I wouldn't mind if they tried a technical approach, "We only maintain character backups for a maximum of X weeks" but no. What i got was "Your character has been lost to Oblivion", what kind of answer is that?

I am a simple customer trying to resolve an issue, and getting nowhere... Great support.

Always start someone you're letting play a new account. Create it on your console and it does have ps plus, access to all your games and things like that. What it doesn't have is the ability to delete your character. I know this doesn't help now but in the future create an entire new psn account for your guests. That way you don't violate the TOS and you don't lose a character.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Apologies for the headache, @Swainyboy. Sending you a PM to see if we can work something out.

We love you Gina If only the entirety of Customer Support engaged with the player base like those few of you on the Community Team...

sirrmattus wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno what about my molag kena shoulder i accidentally deconned?

PM me and maybe we can work something out... a small gold fee will be expected of course



Edit: was an attempt to be funny... apparently fail lol

The classic "my brother did X Y Z on my account without my permission!"

Enodoc wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Apologies for the headache, @Swainyboy. Sending you a PM to see if we can work something out.

We love you Gina If only the entirety of Customer Support engaged with the player base like those few of you on the Community Team...

This^^^

As always, thank you so much @ZOS_GinaBruno for everything that you do. It is GREATLY appreciated!!!!

To bad you cant get past the jabronie first line of customer service. Its strange they wouldn't want to help a paying customer and someone who might buy stuff from the crown store again.

And its not just ESO, but probably any MMO if I had a character of a couple of years deleted through hackers or just a crazy mistake I would probably quit too if they could not or would not restore.

I feel yah, some of my tickets have been answered with what seemed to be a automated response that had nothing to do with the reason I opened the ticket.

I would like to second the support of @ZOS_GinaBruno . Good to see someone from the team weighing in and helping.

Swainy- I can emphasize. Many years ago whilst having an argument with my spouse of many years and a few too glasses of merlot, I deleted all my characters from EQ2. Yes, all of them. High level with oodles of gold. The next day, I begged the pleaded with SOE and they did restore them after a week of sorting through data base issues. The customer rep worked with me and I was greatly appreciative. I found them most helpful a bit later on when my clumsy fingers (non merlot influenced) mailed a ton of rare items to the wrong player. They also helped me out.

I think most companies do want to do the right thing and will help you if you are persistent enough. Glad to hear your issue is getting resolved.

My experience with ESO customer support has been fairly good. It took me two attempts to get a reply but once I got someone, they did help. Wish I had been more persistent at launch when I lost bank space but oh well. Bad on me for not following through.

Swainyboy wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

If family members/visitors can access your characters on console, it's because they can access your console account. They can only access your account if you haven't put any sign-in security on it. Both the PS4 and XB1 have pass-key sign-in features.

LOL. Don't you know that consoles are made for convenience and entertainment?
Do you really know anybody using sign-ins for their living-room consoles, TVs or other devices?

People know how to backup their console savegames on USB or PSN.
However, for the backup of ESO characters ONLY ZOS is responsible.
Therefore ZOS must be able to restore delected characters.

You were commenting on console security. I responded on console security. Yes ZOS can restore characters, but since you have already granted your console account access to your ESO Account, by using your ESO password during setup, it's down to you to keep your console account secure.

PC logins are password-protected because they are tied into the ESO Account system on ZOS' website, which is password-protected. Console logins are tied to your PSN ID/XBL GT, as you already linked your ESO Account to your PSN/XBL during setup (at which time, you were prompted for your password).

Console security is great and all, but where is the fun in having a console if i cant play it with family/friends? it was a mistake made by a family member. Console security could not help me in this situation, character restoring features however...

I feel for you but at the end of the day. You should of supervised your brother while playing a game that is rated M. You can try your damnedest to get that character back. But dont hold your breath. The responsibility fell in your lap on this one.

I'd be more sympathetic if the game weren't legally a leased service.
But as you have no actual ownership over any content, every case is up to their discretion. Precedents need not apply.

Best rule is to treat the game like any other rental. Like a tuxedo. Don't let other people wear it and don't *** yourself in it. Yeah, they might not say anything to your face, but you'll always be known to them as *** Tux Guy.

"UrQuan wrote: »

It's obvious that @ZOS_GinaBruno cares about the game and the community (even in cases when people are being *** about stuff that's beyond her control). It's equally obvious that CS only cares about getting tickets closed and getting people to stop bothering them. They could learn something from Gina.

*dons asbestos suit*

As someone who works in a job not a million miles away from a CS type role, I just want to stick up for them a little here. They likely have pretty clear rules about what they are and are not allowed to do, and are probably audited to make sure they are following said rules and not doing anything which could be construed as giving unfair help to particular players.

Gina is a PR person, in quite a senior role compared to your average helpdesk jockey, and is likely not so constrained. Perhaps the rules they follow need tweaking, but let's not start assuming that all CS folks are evil and uncaring just because they may not have the latitude to do something we want.

adriant1978 wrote: »

"UrQuan wrote: »

It's obvious that @ZOS_GinaBruno cares about the game and the community (even in cases when people are being *** about stuff that's beyond her control). It's equally obvious that CS only cares about getting tickets closed and getting people to stop bothering them. They could learn something from Gina.

*dons asbestos suit*

As someone who works in a job not a million miles away from a CS type role, I just want to stick up for them a little here. They likely have pretty clear rules about what they are and are not allowed to do, and are probably audited to make sure they are following said rules and not doing anything which could be construed as giving unfair help to particular players.

Gina is a PR person, in quite a senior role compared to your average helpdesk jockey, and is likely not so constrained. Perhaps the rules they follow need tweaking, but let's not start assuming that all CS folks are evil and uncaring just because they may not have the latitude to do something we want.

I've managed a CS type department before, and I work in a company that takes the CS experience very very seriously. That's what I'm basing my statements on. It's clear that their only performance metrics are based on closing tickets. To be 100% clear, I'm not placing the blame on the individual CS reps: they're working towards what their management wants, within whatever restrictions are placed on them, and with whatever (clearly inadequate) tools and coaching they are given. I'm placing the blame entirely on management that doesn't care about providing a good CS experience, and only cares about being able to show good numbers for "resolving" tickets.

So when I talk about CS not caring, I'm talking about the department and the culture, not about the individual front-line reps.

Regret the rage quit?