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Why Trials and Dragonstar arena are not for VR16???

  • Addihul
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    Folks. v16 weekly rewards coming to the trials when the next DLC is released. Nuff said. Yes we'd like to see trials scaled, but ZOS has repeatedly (rightly so) stated it's way too much work to recode when their focus is forward momentum. Be thankful that the old trials are getting love at all. It's put a smile on my face at least.
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  • caperon
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    Addihul wrote: »
    Folks. v16 weekly rewards coming to the trials when the next DLC is released. Nuff said. Yes we'd like to see trials scaled, but ZOS has repeatedly (rightly so) stated it's way too much work to recode when their focus is forward momentum. Be thankful that the old trials are getting love at all. It's put a smile on my face at least.

    STOP WITH THIS CRAP! They are not scalling old content because old content don't sell DLC. PERIOD.

    EDIT: They even nerfed old sets just to be sure we didnt have any doubts about buying the dlcs
    Edited by caperon on November 24, 2015 3:40PM
  • MystixCZ
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    Addihul wrote: »
    Folks. v16 weekly rewards coming to the trials when the next DLC is released. Nuff said. Yes we'd like to see trials scaled, but ZOS has repeatedly (rightly so) stated it's way too much work to recode when their focus is forward momentum. Be thankful that the old trials are getting love at all. It's put a smile on my face at least.

    I agree with Caperon.

    I do not want new DLC for other money. I want to play old content with my level VR16 for reward VR16 and challange VR16.
    I paid for this content, but This content is not useful for me now.
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  • Waseem
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    keep like this more playing quit ESO
    DLC buyers thinks that they are not affected.. but when you play the game and see 2-3 people around you instead of 30 you know this game is dead. if you have the DLC or if you dont.
  • Waseem
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    Addihul wrote: »
    Folks. v16 weekly rewards coming to the trials when the next DLC is released. Nuff said. Yes we'd like to see trials scaled, but ZOS has repeatedly (rightly so) stated it's way too much work to recode when their focus is forward momentum. Be thankful that the old trials are getting love at all. It's put a smile on my face at least.

    your reply is stupid
  • ZOS_Finn
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    hrothbern wrote: »
    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    In regards to the rewards, we do not currently have plans to increase the levels of the Trials or Dragonstar arena. That being said, in the Thieves Guild, we will be offering level appropriate Weekly rewards for completing this content.

    you state In regards to the rewards

    @ZOS_Finn ,

    Does that implicitly state that you will increase the difficulty level of the Trials?

    To keep the challenge up to date with the level of the players.

    No, there were a couple of things mentioned in that thread and he specifically called out rewards. I just wanted to reiterate that I was only speaking about the rewards part.

    We are not planning to increase the level of Trials and/or Arenas right now. We will be at least increasing incentive to do that content though.
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  • MystixCZ
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    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    hrothbern wrote: »
    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    In regards to the rewards, we do not currently have plans to increase the levels of the Trials or Dragonstar arena. That being said, in the Thieves Guild, we will be offering level appropriate Weekly rewards for completing this content.

    you state In regards to the rewards

    @ZOS_Finn ,

    Does that implicitly state that you will increase the difficulty level of the Trials?

    To keep the challenge up to date with the level of the players.

    No, there were a couple of things mentioned in that thread and he specifically called out rewards. I just wanted to reiterate that I was only speaking about the rewards part.

    We are not planning to increase the level of Trials and/or Arenas right now. We will be at least increasing incentive to do that content though.



    YES, We have 2 problems.

    1. Not useful rewards for old end game content and very, very much not useful sets for VR16.
    Your answer in translate to players is ... F*c* you ... give us money and we give other DLC with new sets for VR16.

    2. Not challange old end game content for VR16.
    Your answer in translate to players is ... F*c* you ... give us money and we give other DLC with one new Trial

    Your communication to players is arrogant.
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  • LadyNalcarya
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    its normal

    they force players buy new dlc to get gear there

    Then why did they put Orsinium sets in regular Cyrodiil treasure map chests? Also, all base game dungeons have been scaled to vr16, as well as monster sets. So I dont understand why they cant scale the trials.
    In my opinion, something is terribly wrong when the only competitive endgame option in a mmo is solo-only.
    MystixCZ wrote: »
    F*c* you ... give us money and we give other DLC with new sets for VR16.

    2. Not challange old end game content for VR16.
    Your answer in translate to players is ... F*c* you ... give us money and we give other DLC with one new Trial
    If only it would be like this. WTB a couple of dlcs with trials and dungeons.
    Edited by LadyNalcarya on November 24, 2015 5:13PM
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  • Zaldan
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    Elloa wrote: »
    The devellopers could not SCALE UP the actual Trials in the game because it take time, ressource and a lot of coding.
    However, they are going to bring some changes to make this content relevant with the next DLC.

    2 DLCs and still no actual change
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  • Cuyler
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    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    In regards to the rewards, we do not currently have plans to increase the levels of the Trials or Dragonstar arena. That being said, in the Thieves Guild, we will be offering level appropriate Weekly rewards for completing this content.
    @ZOS_Finn can you clarify? When you say you will be offering level appropriate weekly rewards for completing "this" content, are you referring to the Thieves guild content (like a new trial and/or new quests), or the old trials?

    I'm assuming you mean the old trials, and if so, that would be awesome!
    Edited by Cuyler on November 24, 2015 5:26PM
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  • Addihul
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    My reply is stupid? I simply reiterated what was said by a ZOS developer. Did you not read what I wrote? Or are you qq'ing because it's just not what you want to hear?

    Would it be nice for the devs to code in older trials to be scalable? Yes. However, they are too busy and it is too much work to go back and do that when they have more important things on the horizon. Is it ok to completely ignore them and give them no attention at all? No it is not. Thankfully they have heard our plight and they are going to offer weekly scaled rewards to old trials. What is not good about that? It's about compromise here, not 'get everything we ever dreamed of'. I don't get these forums sometimes.
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  • ChuckyPayne
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    They have not enough manpower, to do everything, every time. They have scheduled plan, what and when. Yes end game (casual or hc) is a critical part of every game. These now here a little bit problematic. We feel, we know, they know, they do. Just wait and see. :)

    I hope Yokudan style motif will drop out of Craglorn Trial and Arena bosses, chest :)

    Anyway with the set system have more problem like only end game content not vr16. We feel, we know, they know, they do. Just wait and see. :)
  • AlnilamE
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    Why do all trials have to be v16? Why can't players who are newer to the game start doing trials when they hit v12 (AA and HRC) and then move on to SO and whatever the new trial is going to be?

    I'm hoping that the scale of weekly rewards will be enough incentive to get folks to do trials more often. My sorc hasn't done them yet and my tank just hit v13.
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  • Lord Xanhorn
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    The "end game" of ESO is a steaming hot pile of crap right now and has been for about a year. I understand raising the level cap to v16 to entice people to buy the new DLCs but when your 2 new DLCs don't cater to end game PVErs at all, its really hard for that segment of your community to not be pissed off. If you want people to buy your DLCs consistently, each DLC should have some content for them. Some solo, some PVP, and some group PVE. By raising the cap to VR16, you made all the old PVE content irrelevant and didn't replace it with anything else.
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  • ESOFanBoyz
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    MystixCZ wrote: »
    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    hrothbern wrote: »
    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    In regards to the rewards, we do not currently have plans to increase the levels of the Trials or Dragonstar arena. That being said, in the Thieves Guild, we will be offering level appropriate Weekly rewards for completing this content.

    you state In regards to the rewards

    @ZOS_Finn ,

    Does that implicitly state that you will increase the difficulty level of the Trials?

    To keep the challenge up to date with the level of the players.

    No, there were a couple of things mentioned in that thread and he specifically called out rewards. I just wanted to reiterate that I was only speaking about the rewards part.

    We are not planning to increase the level of Trials and/or Arenas right now. We will be at least increasing incentive to do that content though.



    YES, We have 2 problems.

    1. Not useful rewards for old end game content and very, very much not useful sets for VR16.
    Your answer in translate to players is ... F*c* you ... give us money and we give other DLC with new sets for VR16.

    2. Not challange old end game content for VR16.
    Your answer in translate to players is ... F*c* you ... give us money and we give other DLC with one new Trial

    Your communication to players is arrogant.

    I really think you are missing what ZOS is saying and it makes you look ignorant.

    They plan on scaling the weekly rewards for doing trials to VR16 in the next DLC patch. This DOES NOT mean you need to purchase the next DLC to get this. Just like with every single DLC they have released, they make changes to the base game that you don not need to pay for.

    So when the next DLC drops you will be able to do the weekly trial and get VR16 rewards without needing to pay any additional money. Stop freaking out.

    I would also like to point out that in a previous response you said "you will now be canceling your subscription" while also saying it's because you don't want to have to pay for new DLC. If you have a sub you don't need to pay for DLC you just get access to it already. So either you are a liar or you don't understand how the sub works.
  • James-Wayne
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    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    In regards to the rewards, we do not currently have plans to increase the levels of the Trials or Dragonstar arena. That being said, in the Thieves Guild, we will be offering level appropriate Weekly rewards for completing this content.

    Awesome news, incentives like rewards for your current level is a great way to get people back to playing that content more. Looking forward to the incentive for using the group finder tool too that was recently discussed and most looking forward to the thieves guild and the trial that comes with it. Thank you ZOS!
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  • Artjuh90
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    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    In regards to the rewards, we do not currently have plans to increase the levels of the Trials or Dragonstar arena. That being said, in the Thieves Guild, we will be offering level appropriate Weekly rewards for completing this content.

    Awesome news, incentives like rewards for your current level is a great way to get people back to playing that content more. Looking forward to the incentive for using the group finder tool too that was recently discussed and most looking forward to the thieves guild and the trial that comes with it. Thank you ZOS!

    you are aware that they did say they weren't looking into lfg for trials right
  • Jura23
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    ESO currently doesn't have proper PvE endgame outside of vMA, which is single. Not that I care, but it's pretty crazy. I'm actually amazed that any MMO can afford to do this and still survive.
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  • Alcast
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    hrothbern wrote: »
    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    In regards to the rewards, we do not currently have plans to increase the levels of the Trials or Dragonstar arena. That being said, in the Thieves Guild, we will be offering level appropriate Weekly rewards for completing this content.

    you state In regards to the rewards

    @ZOS_Finn ,

    Does that implicitly state that you will increase the difficulty level of the Trials?

    To keep the challenge up to date with the level of the players.

    Nothing changes. Just weekly will scale. Lazy zos "fix"
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  • willymchilybily
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    Jura23 wrote: »
    ESO currently doesn't have proper PvE endgame outside of vMA, which is single. Not that I care, but it's pretty crazy. I'm actually amazed that any MMO can afford to do this and still survive.
    • No one considers veteran pledge dungeons end game content?
    • Is it the lack of large scale (more than 4 people) content that is getting all this hate to what seems to be relatively positive responses from the Devs?

    OP hates that the rewards are "useless" (i disagree but nvm that) so you don't have incentive,
    then when a DEV specifically tells you there will be rewards for old content, complain that old content is not challenging and Dismiss the new content that is coming, and the existing content. someone is coming of little bit NaCl. so i cant help but agree with everything @ESOFanBoyz said.

    There needs to be incentives to buy new content or subscribe, or the game will die. It seems there is no pleasing you no matter how much good news they throw your way. I'd rather you and people with such a mind set quit, than the game die if I'm honest.
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  • Jura23
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    Jura23 wrote: »
    ESO currently doesn't have proper PvE endgame outside of vMA, which is single. Not that I care, but it's pretty crazy. I'm actually amazed that any MMO can afford to do this and still survive.
    • No one considers veteran pledge dungeons end game content?
    • Is it the lack of large scale (more than 4 people) content that is getting all this hate to what seems to be relatively positive responses from the Devs?

    OP hates that the rewards are "useless" (i disagree but nvm that) so you don't have incentive,
    then when a DEV specifically tells you there will be rewards for old content, complain that old content is not challenging and Dismiss the new content that is coming, and the existing content. someone is coming of little bit NaCl. so i cant help but agree with everything @ESOFanBoyz said.

    There needs to be incentives to buy new content or subscribe, or the game will die. It seems there is no pleasing you no matter how much good news they throw your way. I'd rather you and people with such a mind set quit, than the game die if I'm honest.

    I used to play SWTOR and when they released new group content, thay also scaled the existing up to the new tier of everything. So since then I thought this would be automatic in other MMOs too.

    The incentives to play the new one would still be there since nobody likes to play the same thing over and over.

    But as I said, not my concern.
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  • JamilaRaj
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    Elloa wrote: »
    The devellopers could not SCALE UP the actual Trials in the game because it take time, ressource and a lot of coding.

    I assure you that individual scaling for every single whatever in the game not only takes time, resources and a lot of coding as well, but most likely more. But it is probably worth the effort, DLCs must sell after all.
  • AzraelKrieg
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    They've also stated that the Thieves Guild DLC will feature a new 12-man trial so I don't know why people are still complaining.
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  • Katinas
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    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    In regards to the rewards, we do not currently have plans to increase the levels of the Trials or Dragonstar arena. That being said, in the Thieves Guild, we will be offering level appropriate Weekly rewards for completing this content.

    Thanks for not caring what the majority of players want.
    It's not like you need to create new mechanics, graphics, models, voiceovers or content.
    Changing numbers is all that it takes.
    Please stop saying that it's not as simple as that.
  • Phinix1
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    MystixCZ wrote: »
    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    In regards to the rewards, we do not currently have plans to increase the levels of the Trials or Dragonstar arena. That being said, in the Thieves Guild, we will be offering level appropriate Weekly rewards for completing this content.

    You do not currently have plans to increase the levels of the Trials or Dragonstar arena ... OK, thank you for your information. My subtraction will be cancel. And thank you for you kill this nice game ... very, very thank you.

    I do not want your new DLC Thieves guild. I do not interesting about thieves. You want only new money, money, money for game, which is worse and worse.

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  • mr_wazzabi
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    I think once VR ranks get removed, all trials and dungeons will be level 50

    Not exactly. Vr levels will be redworded to cp levels. Vr14 will probably be 100cp, vr16 150cp and so on.

    Everything will be the same.
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  • Xjcon
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    Zos is busy trying to fix the player created lag in cyrodiil. They can't spare the resources to work on old PVE content.
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  • Shadesofkin
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    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    In regards to the rewards, we do not currently have plans to increase the levels of the Trials or Dragonstar arena. That being said, in the Thieves Guild, we will be offering level appropriate Weekly rewards for completing this content.

    I would prefer to see both happen but this is something I can live with.
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  • nimander99
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    The game needs a scaling system in both directions, it would solve a metric sh** ton of issues. And open the entire world up for rewarding play again...
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  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    So weekly rewards from a DLC (that you have to pay for) will give you endgame gear from old trials.

    They basically admitted that the current trials are dead forever and no longer endgame content.
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