DDuke wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Hexyl wrote: »

So,

XP Pots give exp for champion point..

barely craftable and easy buyable.

P2W, here we go...

Why do you keep posting this? It's not P2W. You can get it in-game, therefore it's not P2W. If it was crown-store only, it might be P2W, and not even then, since it's only making you level faster and not giving you any other advantage like god-tier gear.

If the ingredients/potions are so hard to acquire that you are forced to go Cash Shop to get them in order to stay competitive (or even relevant), then it is P2W and there's not really room for argument there.

You're not forced to get them to stay competative though. You can get these through Provisioning Writs so it's not like it's the most rare thing ever that people will never get outside crowns. You can get it in-game, therefore it is not P2W. It is not boosting your character other than giving exp gain, therefore it is not P2W.

I don't think you've quite fully understood.

You can get them in game, yes. Will you get enough of them, to have +50% XP buff up 24/7 when you're grinding CPs? No, not unless you've got millions in game or go to Cash Shop (P2W).

I wish people would stop with the "oh, it's just XP gain..." argument, as it truly isn't working in a game with infinite leveling.

In most other games, boosting XP gain is not a big deal, as it only facilitates your way to the common point where people are (max. level, end game).

In this game, there is no "common point" where people are, leveling process is virtually infinite with Champion System, meaning every way to increase your xp/hour is going to increase your character's power as well.

XP potion doesn't help you catch up, it helps you get an even greater advantage if you are a competitive player and by bringing that advantage becomes P2W.

This.

DDuke wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Hexyl wrote: »

So,

XP Pots give exp for champion point..

barely craftable and easy buyable.

P2W, here we go...

Why do you keep posting this? It's not P2W. You can get it in-game, therefore it's not P2W. If it was crown-store only, it might be P2W, and not even then, since it's only making you level faster and not giving you any other advantage like god-tier gear.

If the ingredients/potions are so hard to acquire that you are forced to go Cash Shop to get them in order to stay competitive (or even relevant), then it is P2W and there's not really room for argument there.

You're not forced to get them to stay competative though. You can get these through Provisioning Writs so it's not like it's the most rare thing ever that people will never get outside crowns. You can get it in-game, therefore it is not P2W. It is not boosting your character other than giving exp gain, therefore it is not P2W.

I don't think you've quite fully understood.

You can get them in game, yes. Will you get enough of them, to have +50% XP buff up 24/7 when you're grinding CPs? No, not unless you've got millions in game or go to Cash Shop (P2W).

I wish people would stop with the "oh, it's just XP gain..." argument, as it truly isn't working in a game with infinite leveling.

In most other games, boosting XP gain is not a big deal, as it only facilitates your way to the common point where people are (max. level, end game).

In this game, there is no "common point" where people are, leveling process is virtually infinite with Champion System, meaning every way to increase your xp/hour is going to increase your character's power as well.

XP potion doesn't help you catch up, it helps you get an even greater advantage if you are a competitive player and by bringing that advantage becomes P2W.

How do you define P2W? Because you are already good and you become better with it (a little better) you say it is P2W? You know: everybody can have it. It is not Cashshop exklusive. So you can play the game to become better in the game. And that is P2W? (If you translate P2W to Play to win maybe...)

Rollback inc

@Eucken dont even think about it at EU...i thought about the same, still not at home lol

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Do me a favor? @Preyfar...

Did that. I see all my stuff from the character select but something's definitely wrong in game. Logging in I have nothing, and all my skills are locked out and it's acting like I'm a new player (again, the "go to the Harborage" quest as shown in my screenshot). I have no idea what's going on, but I'm definitely crippled here.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Yep, it's hovering over provisioning recipes crashing me instantly without fail. True across multiple accounts and characters on the live 2.0.11 patch.

@Attorneyatlawl , so to summarize thus far:

• You can't use a cooking fire: Crash
• You can't open a Provisioner's Chest: Crash
• You can't hover over a recipe: Crash.

Maybe I'll wait a minute before downloading the 'patch.'

in a other thread someone mention that the game Crash also if you open the mailbox

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

You must be serious... That make it even more sad. You could easily farm one set of the mats per 2 h or so and you will get 3.33 hours out of it. You don't have to buy it all together. And your advance with the CP degreases over time because you get less percentages from them. So it is more or less a thing for new players with low CP numbers... Well it would be if not guys like your kind think they need them to be "competetive". So you will always drain the marked of the mats and this players are to poor to buy the stuff.

But back to your theory: no P2W. You could do all the content without CP and in terms of comparableness: Higher skill is more rewarding then higher CP at least after 200+ CP and then in a wide area. The next think is you compare 1 person who will never use the new drink with one who uses it all the time. This is at least hazardous. People like your kind allways play the game like people your kind plays the game. The do their "best" to get as far and fast as possible. So they will use this drink as much as they can. So the real difference will be: person A uses the drink like 85% of time, person B like 89% of the time. So now how will this be a problem with decreasing percentages of the CP bonuses? Do you at least admit, that you overreact a little bit?

If it's gonna be anything similar to nirncrux then you could actually spend 2 hours to get one. It will give you 50% XP buff for 3:20 maximum, which is nice cause that means at least you get back 1:40 worth of time from the 2:00 wasted. Well not counting additional time lost due to brain damage and occasional self harm from doing the most boring thing possible in ESO.

Why can't we get it from writs (or something else) at least???

But I don't think it's really P2W as long as there will be a market for it. It will be expensive, I give that, but probably will be affordable for veteran players. Just consider the amount of gold you can get during a 3 hours grinding session.

DDuke wrote: »

So you are wasting 2 hours to get mats (without gaining any CP) in order to gain +50% XP for 3.33 hours?

2 hours was the time I estimated for farming everything (don't know how much the new fhing mat drops). If you buy it from other players you will be much faster;) The time of farm could be even less.

DDuke wrote: »

goblins=2CP/h
3.33h=6-7CP+50%=9-10.5CPs

What if I don't farm mats at all?
5.33h=10-11CP

What if I don't farm mats at all, but instead go purchase boosters from Cash Shop instead?
5.33h=10-11CP+50%=15-16CPs

So why again, should I go waste time gathering the mats? This is very basic maths.

You will grind to a lot of gold in this way. So buy the drink from the peoble who don't want to competed with your race anyway. Very easy. And you don't have to use real money because the price will not be that high:)

DDuke wrote: »

While on the topic of maths, how about you go check how much of an advantage those CPs continue to grant you, especially when the gap between players grows increasingly wide? Even the difference between 200 and 300 CPs is around 20-30% DPS (and even more in terms of burst dmg thanks to passives such as Exploiter from Ritual).

Lets try it again for you. You will never be in the position that you have to compete with someone who has 300points and you have 200 points, because you are a "competetive" player and you already play the CP race as every other "competetive" player. So you will be start at a very close point to all of your "friends". And then you and your "friends" start to use the potions as much as you can. And it will be no problem because you have tons of money and even make more everyday. I assume you will even get so much money, that there is always a plus for you even with 24/7 potion ratio. And now tell me again where you get a difference of 50% of your CP value (200 to 300 points) to an other player who plays it your stile! That will never occur. It will only occur, if you do a break. But in this case, you would be fall behind even without drinks.

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

But back to your theory: no P2W. You could do all the content without CP and in terms of comparableness: Higher skill is more rewarding then higher CP at least after 200+ CP and then in a wide area. The next think is you compare 1 person who will never use the new drink with one who uses it all the time. This is at least hazardous. People like your kind allways play the game like people your kind plays the game. The do their "best" to get as far and fast as possible. So they will use this drink as much as they can. So the real difference will be: person A uses the drink like 85% of time, person B like 89% of the time. So now how will this be a problem with decreasing percentages of the CP bonuses? Do you at least admit, that you overreact a little bit?

DDuke wrote: »

You can do all content without CP yes, but what does that tell us? The content is ridiculously easy when you have 300+ CPs (as people in top leaderboard guilds do), which in turn leads to end game focused people quitting the game.

This is their decision. And by the way: This has nothing to do with the subject of the discussion...

DDuke wrote: »

Not a good thing, at all. And frankly, I have no idea how end game content could ever be balanced with Champion System in game.

Will be rough you are right, but then again this has nothing to do with the discussion...

DDuke wrote: »

And yes, "people of my kind" do play the game competitively, to win. So it shouldn't come to surprise to you if someone might think it undermines the competitive aspect of the game entirely if your "winning" is dependent on your wallet, rather than your skills as a player.

I showed to you why this is not the case.

DDuke wrote: »

People who do not play competitively naturally do not care about P2W, because whether they win or not is insignificant and thus I do not think you will be able to comprehend this.

I win on different areas. I do care about pay to win. I would not play the game if it would be pay to win. But it isn't. Not in your case, not in mine. Get over it.

Kharnamatic wrote: »

XP potion for CP is not pay to win.

CP is already soft capped at 1 point per day (enightenment bonus). 100k xp per account is easy to get for everybody.

To get more than 1 CP per day you have to earn 400k XP per CP = you have to be a hardcore grinder if you want the extra CP. If you are a hardcore grinder that means you have a lot of gold from playing the game a lot and looting things you grind. Therefore, you being a hardcore CP grinder = you having a lot of gold = you can buy the craftable XP potions which are just as powerful as the shop ones.

Also I thought the crown ones weren't going to affect vet XP or champion points. Unless that has changed since I last looked, I haven't really been paying much attention as there are more important things in my life iykwim

The other issue I am frequently experiencing is a patch manifest error message with a requirement to repair when I open the launcher. It doesn't always happen, and I'm pretty sure running repair won't fix whatever the problem is.

I love patch day just for the memes! Good stuff all see ya next week or maybe the week after

I used to leave my launcher open when I went to work so it would auto-download patches and they would be ready to go as soon as I got home. But it seemed like this was leading to those "Manifest" errors. So now I wait until I get home to download patches and put up with the download wait to avoid the manifest errors. Now I am really glad I did not auto-download this patch. Gonna wait until they promote a fix and others confirm the game is back to its normal bunch of annoying, but not utterly game-breaking, bugs!

I blame Sithis. I think the crashes and inventory losses were synced to the appearance of the Black Hand in the E3 teaser.

TheEmoVampire wrote: »

Your new I take? yea they go up right before the server is back up. Also don't get too excited its just another useless patch, from 2.1-2.10 I haven't noticed any changes at all (infact the only problem i have is when fighting a Harvester, my audio goes bad I have put in ticket after ticket and still have not gotten a fix, they don't care at all it seems all though they used and sadly this is the only mmo i like so im stuck with it) but yea telling you ahead of time all ZO$ does is talk, they don't do. I mean seriously they literally neglected the PC community just for the launch of a dumbed down version of the game, that says a lot!

I'M NOT CRAZY YEAH Other people feel exactly the way I do
for a while there I thought I was the only one

Hey, boys, there's some news from the server front...