Shadow Cloak in PVP

Aldruin · November 2014

I know Shadow Cloak received some fixes in recent patches, but still, it is broken to the point that 80% of the time your enemy can break it with simple light attacks, charges or really, any skills. While I was fighting some Nightblades I saw that they are literally spamming the cloak and I could actually aim them and hit them. I accepted that talons and such AoEs will most likely always take me out of cloak, but please, when I am hidden for 1,5 seconds, why can my enemies still hit me with a simple light attack?
Can we expect some love for the cloak in 1.6 or should I just drop it from my build completely?

QuadroTony · November 2014

i can confirm this issues

Rydik · November 2014

Don't understand this problem, you invisible not immortal, if attack aoe or just strike the point where you standing it must hit you...

Bouvin · November 2014

No, they've broken (or stealth nerfed) Shadow Cloak into the point of uselessness.

Even Invis pots, which any class can use, are much more powerful. Kinda pointless to play the "stealth" class if your stealth is completely broken.

Rydik wrote: »

Don't understand this problem, you invisible not immortal, if attack aoe or just strike the point where you standing it must hit you...

No, they've broken (or stealth nerfed) Shadow Cloak into the point of uselessness.

Even Invis pots, which any class can use, are much more powerful. Kinda pointless to play the "stealth" class if your stealth is completely broken.

davedesigns · November 2014

I can confirm this - Shadow Cloak does nothing even in PvE - mobs can see me and still target and attack even when cloaked.

Why is stealth class so jacked up while other classes are basically immortal against us? Very disappoint ZoS...

Sharee · November 2014

Treat it like a resistance buff and DOT cleanse. If you get any invisibility out of it, consider it an unexpected bonus :P

TheBull · November 2014

It's like they reverted the fixes the made prior to 1.5. All except the dot stuff. Here's a vid of what is happening on a regular basis now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVBcVcacrnI
As you see cloak was activated the red animation was shown, but I still remained revealed.
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Aldruin · November 2014

Rydik wrote: »

Don't understand this problem, you invisible not immortal, if attack aoe or just strike the point where you standing it must hit you...

I said it in my post that I understand that AoE takes me out of stealth. The problem is that when I used the cloak in 1v1 fights, my enemy could break the invisibility by only charging at me or just light attacking me. The problem is that even without attacking people can see me through cloak. I have seen this problem myself, while fighting other nightblades. They did not become invisible when using cloak, they were still targetable by single target skills.

Aldruin · November 2014

TheBull wrote: »

It's like they reverted the fixes the made prior to 1.5. All except the dot stuff. Here's a vid of what is happening on a regular basis now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVBcVcacrnI
As you see cloak was activated the red animation was shown, but I still remained revealed.
@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

Thanks for the video, I was about to make one but that one is a perfect example of what's happening. Hopefully ZOS will see this post.
@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

JamilaRaj · November 2014

Perhaps mage light overrides cloak. Anyone has video of cloak working next to person with ML? Or not working next to person without it?

Aldruin · November 2014

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Perhaps mage light overrides cloak. Anyone has video of cloak working next to person with ML? Or not working next to person without it?

Magelight can break cloak and it is supposed to in my experience. However, in the video that @TheBull linked, none of the two guys had magelight active. Many times when I fight, my enemy does not have magelight on and he/she is still able to break my cloak. It is definitely not the problem.

Darthryan · November 2014

Ive been using invis pots and mist now and some times cloak to remove dots but to get invisible I use pots. They don't know or care anymore about even trying to fix this skill. If they do fix it completely then I will start recommending people to this game. As it is now, I don't. With every "fix" or update they just add more bugs. Its very discouraging

Palidon · November 2014

Darthryan wrote: »

Ive been using invis pots and mist now and some times cloak to remove dots but to get invisible I use pots. They don't know or care anymore about even trying to fix this skill. If they do fix it completely then I will start recommending people to this game. As it is now, I don't. With every "fix" or update they just add more bugs. Its very discouraging

I totally agree.

Aldruin · November 2014

Good to see that people are agreeing on this bug, hopefully ZOS will react.
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Suntzu1414 · November 2014

its broken.

Kill Well
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QuadroTony · November 2014

Aldruin wrote: »

Good to see that people are agreeing on this bug, hopefully ZOS will react.
@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

me too

TheBull · December 2014

So worthless at times. I just had it break like 5 times fighting 2 guys with no AoE. Activate, fail, activate, fail, over and over.

Aldruin · December 2014

Seems like this thread selectively did not get response. All the threads around mine got answer from a ZOS employee

ZOS_GaryA · December 2014

Hey there folks,

We're currently taking a look into the issues presented in this topic.

We take a look into everything that gets posted, it's just less exciting to post "we'll take a look" as opposed to "We're in the process of fixing it!" or "It'll be in a patch soon!", especially considering that looking into something can take a fair chunk of time.

If everyone would prefer, we can do our best to post more "looking into it" posts, with the caveat that follow-ups to the topic may take longer.

eventide03b14a_ESO · December 2014

Sharee wrote: »

Treat it like a resistance buff and DOT cleanse. If you get any invisibility out of it, consider it an unexpected bonus :P

Sadly that's how I am forced to use it most of the time.

TheBull wrote: »

It's like they reverted the fixes the made prior to 1.5. All except the dot stuff. Here's a vid of what is happening on a regular basis now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVBcVcacrnI
As you see cloak was activated the red animation was shown, but I still remained revealed.
@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

That's pretty damning evidence. Just to play devil's advocate though is it possible that they had a detect potion active?

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hey there folks,

We're currently taking a look into the issues presented in this topic.

We take a look into everything that gets posted, it's just less exciting to post "we'll take a look" as opposed to "We're in the process of fixing it!" or "It'll be in a patch soon!", especially considering that looking into something can take a fair chunk of time.

If everyone would prefer, we can do our best to post more "looking into it" posts, with the caveat that follow-ups to the topic may take longer.

I think it's nice to know that you are aware of a problem and are looking into it.

Slurg · December 2014

Hi Gary:

After reading and participating in lots of threads I think that most people just want validation that ZOS acknowledges the issues being brought up and is planning to do something about the things that are not working as designed. Or alternately, if something IS working as designed, verifying that.

I also think if you respond that you're looking into something, you'll see fewer threads repeating the same complaints because some people think the more threads they make, the more likely they'll get some kind of response.

I'd be happy with acknowledgment youre looking into something. But I reserve the right to ask "are we there yet" if there's no answer after some time has gone by.

ZOS_GaryA · December 2014

@Slurg no worries! We'll be happy to provide updates when requested, though the update may be "no news yet." We just figured we'd take the opportunity to let everyone know that all of this feedback gets heard and sent along, even if there aren't accompanying responses.

A lot of changes and fixes to ESO have been a direct result of user feedback, so we sincerely appreciate these threads, your /bug reports, and your /feedback reports!

Aldruin · December 2014

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

@Slurg no worries! We'll be happy to provide updates when requested, though the update may be "no news yet." We just figured we'd take the opportunity to let everyone know that all of this feedback gets heard and sent along, even if there aren't accompanying responses.

A lot of changes and fixes to ESO have been a direct result of user feedback, so we sincerely appreciate these threads, your /bug reports, and your /feedback reports!

Thanks for the feedback Gary,

While PvPing today, I experienced two types of bugs related to the cloak. One is, that abilities cast before the cloak is used, but reach you after the cloak is used still damage you and take you out of the cloak. This causes the cloak to be infinitely breakable, as you are taken out, the opponent will cast the same ability again and even if you hide again, the ability will find you and take you out.
The rather annoying bug is that abilities that have missed you still break cloak. I think I read in one of the patch notes that this has been fixed, but I am unsure.

I hope ZOS will take a close look at the mechanism of cloak, it could be an awesome skill, and a very tactical one for PvP, but as of now it really needs some love.

Sharee · December 2014

One possible way to fix this would be to make cloak work similar to sorcerer teleport.

A sorcerer's teleport works the same regardless of damage the sorcerer takes. If he spends the magicka, he always gets the full effect of being teleported 15 meters forward.

This is how cloak should work. If you spend the magicka, you get 2.9 seconds of invisibility, always. Taking damage would have no effect on this.

To keep the ability in check, similarly to a teleport, the cloak would get more expensive if cast repeatedly too often. Also, anyone having means to see through the cloak (via either magelight or detection potion) would still be able to see and attack the cloaker, it would just not pull the cloaker out of invisibility for everyone else to see as well.

This would make the cloak more reliable rather than the 'use and pray it works' ability it is now.

aco5712 · December 2014

Also another thing with dark cloak. It doesn't remove things like disease dots. Using jt as a purge isn't that effective. Is this intended?

Cherryblossom · December 2014

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hey there folks,

We're currently taking a look into the issues presented in this topic.

We take a look into everything that gets posted, it's just less exciting to post "we'll take a look" as opposed to "We're in the process of fixing it!" or "It'll be in a patch soon!", especially considering that looking into something can take a fair chunk of time.

If everyone would prefer, we can do our best to post more "looking into it" posts, with the caveat that follow-ups to the topic may take longer.

As someone who has been requesting the simple we are looking into this comments, since launch it would make a difference, rather than us think you are indifferent to the issues.

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

@Slurg no worries! We'll be happy to provide updates when requested, though the update may be "no news yet." We just figured we'd take the opportunity to let everyone know that all of this feedback gets heard and sent along, even if there aren't accompanying responses.

A lot of changes and fixes to ESO have been a direct result of user feedback, so we sincerely appreciate these threads, your /bug reports, and your /feedback reports!

There are so many issues currently which have no comments, can I take it that all of these are not considered issues?

Developer Tracker, will the posts ever be followed up? Cyrodill Lag, which is progressively getting worst has not had any input from ZOS in 2 weeks, which is better than most the others, but surely you can see that if ZOS is not updating the community, there is no reason for the community to add comments to these threads if they don't believe they are being listened to?

TheBull · December 2014

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

@Slurg no worries! We'll be happy to provide updates when requested, though the update may be "no news yet." We just figured we'd take the opportunity to let everyone know that all of this feedback gets heard and sent along, even if there aren't accompanying responses.

A lot of changes and fixes to ESO have been a direct result of user feedback, so we sincerely appreciate these threads, your /bug reports, and your /feedback reports!

Thank you. That helps a lot.

Aldruin · December 2014

aco5712 wrote: »

Also another thing with dark cloak. It doesn't remove things like disease dots. Using jt as a purge isn't that effective. Is this intended?

In my experience the disease DoTs are removed by the cloak, but the greenish cloud animation doesn't disappear. I may still stink, but I don't take damage after activating cloak so I got that going for me which is nice...

Sacadon · December 2014

ZOS, today in PvP I was able to aim at where I believed an invisible NB was (after they hit cloak) and successfully attack them with Ambush. After my bloodthirst subsided I realized what just happened and that it should not have. I should NOT be able to get a lock on a NB that has cloaked.

Ever since the nerf of night silence speed stacking with vamp passive, both stealth for all races and NB cloak have been worse than they were prior. It may help to look at the code prior to that release on Aug-25. This thread may help with some perspective as well.

Thanks for acknowledging you saw this and that you're looking into.

TomLukman · December 2014

I noticed the same issues the original author described with shadow cloak with my nightblade. Kept getting snipe spammed after cloaking. I blamed it on lag but this thread made me wonder. Also, shadow cloak doesn't remove all negative effects from player (for example meat bag catapult debuff).

Not sure about Shadow cloak, but I do know that if I have a vampire "TAB" targeted and he goes into invisible vamp swarm that I can still see the targeting box and can do direct attacks on him. Maybe it's the same thing with shadow cloak. I'll try to watch out for it.

Ufukb86rwb17_ESO · March 2015

It is end of march 2015 now, and still there is no improvement in this regard. Shadow cloak still does not work properly.

Given that stealth is quite an important mechanic to a stealth class, I do not see how this issue does not have a high priority on the bug fix list of eso team.