i think folks need to be careful about getting on the 'ban' wagon also

i'm a big believer of giving the benefit of the doubt

i'm also a big believer that if one individual, as has been stated by other posters in this thread, is reported continuously for several months for his suspicious behaviour, and his behaviour continues, then in my opinion you have a larger policy situation that is detrimental to the continued health of the pvp player base

the issue should be looked at - and then reported back to the community about:
- (a) players are being affected by an unintended game mechanic and are not responsible for the large damage numbers that you are experiencing - we are working on a solution and keep you updated
- (b) players are exploiting an unintended game mechanic and have been warned that further use will result in disciplinary action

and i don't perceive the 'individual' exploiter to be the issue

what i am witnessing in my own community which has gone from 400+ active members to just about 120 active members, is a growing feeling of this isn't the game for them

again, as stated before - not because of bugs, not because of lag - but specifically because they perceive that the system (not intentionally) allows exploiters to thrive

we speak on a regular basis in voice comms with representatives from ZOS - there is NO doubt in my mind that they are passionate, dedicated individuals who strive their hardest to make this game work - NO doubt in my mind at all

some of the policies, particularly in this regard, are the issue in my opinion

it boils down to this - people pay voluntarily every month to play here for fun

it is not fun being subjected for months on end to exploits in PvP, be it siege weapon limit exploits, collusive emperor farming that depoplulated and ruined celarus, the DK chain pulling exploit, one shot kill exploits, camps behind closed gates exploits etc has taken the wind out of many people's sails

it would be one thing if they saw it was being addressed proactively - there would be hope

but this whole 'we are aware and monitoring the situation' 'we cannot ban somebody for intentionally misusing game mechanics that we developed' etc is BS

the answer is 'yes they can' (see the earlier image of another company's approach to players intentionally misusing game mechanics) - the reality is that they CHOOSE not to, either because of a policy, corporate philosophy etc

and the reality then is that many players CHOOSE not to play in an environment that unintentionally fosters exploitation and screwing over other members of the player base

i don't think this effects the PvE side anywhere near as much, but the shrinking numbers here in PvP speak for themselves

it would be great if we could all hold hands and gather around the campfire and sing 'kumbaya' together - but the fact is folks aren't going to pay a monthly subscription to play with jerks who are allowed to rule the roost

the core in our particular community LOVE this game, are passionate about it, and hope to see it succeed - we're not going anywhere - unfortunately others have

D.

Well I was not asking which addon. My question was: "Are we required to use some?" I prefer not having any damage numbers clutter, I'm fine with health bars (as long as they update correctly, lol).

Can this guy come to Thornblade NA or spend more time there if that is his campaign? EP can certainly use the help when AD and DC push back to our gates in the early evening hours every single day.

Giraffon wrote: »

Moving on to next topic: Punishment
I'm not sure how you can even do this, but let's assume for a minute that some how a player is proven to be cheating. Banning is overkill! I suggest that the player have the toon they were using deleted. Sure they might have another toon or two, but eventually they will be sentenced to grinding just to level enough to be relevant in PvP. I think that would deter most over time.

Respectfully disagree, i believe banning is UNDERKILL If this turns out be an exploit, it is underkill given how much this HACK, and that is, indeed, what he is, a brainless skilless hack, has ruined game play for many players. Just my opinion of course, but the exploits being used in pvp are devastating the game...from this type of silly, childish, inane garbage to the long list of one-hit macro-heroes out there enlarging their e-ego with yet another exploit, the game is in danger because there are NO repercussions.

Columba wrote: »

It's impossible not to know that you are one shotting people, sorry. I don't buy that these exploiters are innocent. I got a shot off like this the other night and immediately reported it as a bug. It hit for 7800 or so. Had it happened multiple times, I'd have switched weapons

So pretend you are me for a second. You don't use a DPS meter and you shot an arrow into a crowd. One of the 15 players in front you dies. You don't even know who you hit much less how much damage you did.

Someone else suggested you send them a message and ask them about it. I think that's a good idea. Send a message and say:

"Did you know you just did 20,000 damage in one shot? Zenimax is investigating this issue. Would you be willing to work with them to troubleshoot?"

Go from there.