~+~ Will AD and EP ever be stopped from teaming up against DC? ~+~

Emperor · June 2014

Before I say anything, I know all is fair in love and war. I'm actually quite flattered that AD and EP feel that the only way to beat us (DC) is to team up against us.

Stop by the Wabbajack PvP server some time during the high activity hours and watch how AD and EP join up to fight DC. It is blatantly obvious and all the higher up guildies know exactly what is going on. However, despite all their efforts DC is still a close second in the war.

I don't know if there is a way to stop this because the guild masters will always be able to use Teamspeak or w\e 3rd party chat server to communicate easily to plan, but it does get annoying sometimes. So Zenimax, if you can think of anything, that would be great, but if not I guess I will just have to live with it and DC will continue to fight 1 vs 2. I just wanted to bring this to your attention if you didn't already know.

One last note. If anyone doesn't think this is going on please don't even waste your time posting. I PvP every day with the largest group of guilds in Wabbajack for DC. We all know exactly what is going on. It is entirely possible that you didn't personally witness AD and EP joining up to fight DC, but that doesn't mean it isn't going on.

EDIT:
This is in regards to the NA server by the way.

SilverWF · June 2014

Sure we will - when you will stop zerg-blobbing.

Erlindur · June 2014

First of all, do you promise that you will never ever side with another alliance, if the third one gets too powerful?

IKilled007 · June 2014

Last week, AD and EP worked together for hours, not fighting each other at all and doubleteaming us. At one point it was ridiculous:

We broke through an EP keep outer wall and stormed in. EP had almost everyone on their server in there and it was a fierce battle. AD came up behind the breech, literally right in the hole in the wall and attacked us from behind. They cut off our reinforcements and, then, our escape. Not a single red attacked a yellow or vice versa. After they wiped us, AD left and went after one of our keeps and red went after another. They pushed us all the way back into Northern and Southern High Rock without ever fighting each other.

I'm not complaining -- if I were AD or EP, I'd make an alliance to team up on DC, too. DC is always outnumbered on most servers, but we have the best players by far. One DC is worth 2 AD or 2 EP for sure.

Emperor · June 2014

Erlindur wrote: »

First of all, do you promise that you will never ever side with another alliance, if the third one gets too powerful?

That's the funny thing... AD (currently 3rd) is teaming up with EP (currently first). Why would they team up to help the team in first? I don't know what their motives are. Maybe it is because AD is helping EP get experience/alliance points since AD has pretty much no chance at winning this campaign. Maybe the guild masters are buds. Maybe EP is paying AD guild masters. Who knows.

To answer your question though... NO. DC will never team up with another alliance to win the war. If we are going to win, we are going to win with our own strength. Not by being little wimps and teaming up with an alliance we are supposed to hate. Maybe that is the reason AD is teaming with EP. We would not allow it.

Arsenic_Touch · June 2014

This is kind of amusing given that I've seen numerous nights where AD and DC were working together against EP.

Laura · June 2014

I saw the exact opposite last night. Literally ALL of dc and ALL of AD at our last towers.

Emperor · June 2014

Laura wrote: »

I saw the exact opposite last night. Literally ALL of dc and ALL of AD at our last towers.

If this is true, please get guild names for me. I am extremely curious to know who is pulling this off. The only thing I can imagine is that they are guilds based in areas across the world from USA so they can be active in our night hours.

Like I said before, I PvP every day and I have never seen/heard of this happening. We also have an alliance of the biggest guilds in DC for Wabbajack where we all meet in a dedicated TS server so maybe it was smaller guilds?

Regardless, this shouldn't be going on at all for any alliance and there should be penalties for it.

SilverWF · June 2014

Emperor wrote: »

If this is true, please get guild names for me.

Do you know any easy way to get info about your target guild?

Csub · June 2014

Emperor wrote: »

Erlindur wrote: »

First of all, do you promise that you will never ever side with another alliance, if the third one gets too powerful?

That's the funny thing... AD (currently 3rd) is teaming up with EP (currently first). Why would they team up to help the team in first? I don't know what their motives are. Maybe it is because AD is helping EP get experience/alliance points since AD has pretty much no chance at winning this campaign. Maybe the guild masters are buds. Maybe EP is paying AD guild masters. Who knows.

To answer your question though... NO. DC will never team up with another alliance to win the war. If we are going to win, we are going to win with our own strength. Not by being little wimps and teaming up with an alliance we are supposed to hate. Maybe that is the reason AD is teaming with EP. We would not allow it.

You can say this for yourself but you cannot guarantee others won`t do it either. I am on a different EU server btw so I cannot say if this is happening or not, I can imagine it does, but you cannot make promises or statements on behalf of a whole faction. :P

Emperor · June 2014

Csub wrote: »

Emperor wrote: »

Erlindur wrote: »

First of all, do you promise that you will never ever side with another alliance, if the third one gets too powerful?

That's the funny thing... AD (currently 3rd) is teaming up with EP (currently first). Why would they team up to help the team in first? I don't know what their motives are. Maybe it is because AD is helping EP get experience/alliance points since AD has pretty much no chance at winning this campaign. Maybe the guild masters are buds. Maybe EP is paying AD guild masters. Who knows.

To answer your question though... NO. DC will never team up with another alliance to win the war. If we are going to win, we are going to win with our own strength. Not by being little wimps and teaming up with an alliance we are supposed to hate. Maybe that is the reason AD is teaming with EP. We would not allow it.

You can say this for yourself but you cannot guarantee others won`t do it either. I am on a different EU server btw so I cannot say if this is happening or not, I can imagine it does, but you cannot make promises or statements on behalf of a whole faction. :P

I agree with you there. I shouldn't make promises for EVERYONE, but I am talking for the majority of DC in Wabbajack. The biggest guilds communicate and we all agree that teaming up is not the way to go.

Emperor · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

Emperor wrote: »

If this is true, please get guild names for me.

Do you know any easy way to get info about your target guild?

You can whisper players even if they are not in your alliance so try to get a couple of their names. Send a whisper to them and ask what guild they are in.

Zorrashi · June 2014

Why should they be stopped? If they want to team up, then they can go on ahead. All it'll take to have them stop is if one side gets tired of the other; easily accomplished by either a mood swing or a change in the tide of war.

I know its frustrating as the underdog. But it's not like it is permanent.

The AD-EP compromise can easily decompose and has the possibility of turning into an AD-DC or DC-EP alliance....or it can be real free-for-all again.

Emperor · June 2014

Zorrashi wrote: »

Why should they be stopped? If they want to team up, then they can go on ahead. All it'll take to have them stop is if one side gets tired of the other; easily accomplished by either a mood swing or a change in the tide of war.

I know its frustrating as the underdog. But it's not like it is permanent.

The AD-EP compromise can easily decompose and has the possibility of turning into an AD-DC or DC-EP alliance....or it can be real free-for-all again.

I understand your point. That is why I said in my OP that I know it may never be solved, but if Zenimax could just implement something to discourage this behavior it would keep the true sense of free for all going.

Who knows though... This may be intended and it's not my call to make. I guess this will always be a possibility with 3 faction wars, but it really does get annoying at times.

I will leave it up to Zenimax to make the decision. I just wanted to bring it to their attention.

Laura · June 2014

Emperor wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

I saw the exact opposite last night. Literally ALL of dc and ALL of AD at our last towers.

If this is true, please get guild names for me. I am extremely curious to know who is pulling this off. The only thing I can imagine is that they are guilds based in areas across the world from USA so they can be active in our night hours.

Like I said before, I PvP every day and I have never seen/heard of this happening. We also have an alliance of the biggest guilds in DC for Wabbajack where we all meet in a dedicated TS server so maybe it was smaller guilds?

Regardless, this should be going on at all for any alliance and there should be penalties for it.

I think its more about AD just antagonizing people that's what they do - wabba is pretty much EP vs DC there is literally no way AD can win it at this point.

AD just have SO MANY NUMBERS that they can lock down four campaigns so they get bored and guest wabba.

AD are like ants they are ruining pvp because there are at least 8 or 9 ad to 1 dc or ep

I'm pretty sure EP isn't having anything at all to do with AD I think a bigger rivalry there never was in a video game.

You ask any random EP they will tell you how much they hate the AD hipster FOTM zerg drones.

Emperor · June 2014

Laura wrote: »

Emperor wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

I saw the exact opposite last night. Literally ALL of dc and ALL of AD at our last towers.

If this is true, please get guild names for me. I am extremely curious to know who is pulling this off. The only thing I can imagine is that they are guilds based in areas across the world from USA so they can be active in our night hours.

Like I said before, I PvP every day and I have never seen/heard of this happening. We also have an alliance of the biggest guilds in DC for Wabbajack where we all meet in a dedicated TS server so maybe it was smaller guilds?

Regardless, this should be going on at all for any alliance and there should be penalties for it.

I think its more about AD just antagonizing people that's what they do - wabba is pretty much EP vs DC there is literally no way AD can win it at this point.

AD just have SO MANY NUMBERS that they can lock down four campaigns so they get bored and guest wabba.

AD are like ants they are ruining pvp because there are at least 8 or 9 ad to 1 dc or ep

I'm pretty sure EP isn't having anything at all to do with AD I think a bigger rivalry there never was in a video game.

You ask any random EP they will tell you how much they hate the AD hipster FOTM zerg drones.

@Laura‌
I would believe that if it wasn't organized. I have seen countless times where AD and EP have worked in organized waves to take one of our keeps or elder scrolls.

It's not just a case of "Oh no, both teams are attacking us at the same time!" It's a case of "Oh no, both teams started off attacking us together and then AD went to a different wall to break it while EP continued to attack the same wall. Then when there was 2 holes in the keep they both joined up and rushed inside at the exact same time!"

Vis · June 2014

I was not aware of this understanding with EP on Wabba, but now that I am, I promise my temporary EP brothers to only hunt DC.

ferzalrwb17_ESO · June 2014

At the moment AD have silly numbers. They're actually zerging DC and EP - not siding with either. Impulse-spam zergs. Victory by sheer numbers. It's rare we're not outnumbered 3 to 1(minimum) anywhere we go and it looks to be the same for EP. Those population bars either don't give any clue of population or a lot of DC and EP players are logging in and.. sitting around or PvEing.

No one is allied with anyone. It's a yellow zergfest and splat goes red and blue.

Saint_JiubB14_ESO · June 2014

Saw this thread's title and laughed (I laughed harder when I saw that it was about Wabba, and then even more when I saw the edit about being NA server).

on the 15th in the morning hours CST DC and AD systematically attacked only EP took all out keeps and 2 of the 3 scrolls by 5am and there was almost no way the last one wasn't going to be taken by the AD zerg when I logged off at about 5am.

There is a problem with the system, but ZOS won't fix it, and frankly some quick mechanics/scoring changes could solve it. but they won't.

Really wish I was in a bunch of serious EP PvP guilds so I could do something to actually get the devs attention...

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

Its VERY easy for ANY of the factions to watch the battlefield and simply take advantage of the situation very fast. Seems like "DC" showed up preplanned PROBABLY cause they watched the battlefield and KNEW where to go next and took advantage of the situation for more kill. Any side can do it and it doesn't require ANY communication.

You just have to learn and prepare to fight 2 factions at once if your NOT ready to do that then you will not own the map.

Asawasa · June 2014

crying about pvp is what carebears do. ZOS cannot force anyone to kill any enemy player that the folks playing in cyrodiil don't want to. this isn't the first time or game in a 3 faction pvp war that two sides gang up on one. DAOC had this happen, GW2 has had this happen, and now it happened here. doubtful it will last so just ride out the storm and turn the tables every chance you get instead of being a big baby about it.

crislevin · June 2014

Its alliance of convenience, I don't think there is a problem with that, and I don't think its forever.

EP actually have highest population (not by much) in Wabba, AD is a distant third.

I guested at Wabba a few times, I think I did see AD fighting EP somewhere.

demonlkojipub19_ESO · June 2014

Surely you cannot be talking about NA Wabbajack, because AD and EP do not team up for any reason on NA Wabbajack. If we just so happen to be attacking DC controlled towers at the same time, you better believe we are also attacking AD controlled towers, or also attacking the AD attacking those DC controlled towers. We don't ever help them.

Limitless · June 2014

This is hilarious because EP thinks that AD and DC on Wabbajack are in cahoots with each other.

Personally I don't care, nor assume that anyone teams up it's just the way it plays out.

Aimelin · June 2014

the reason DC gets pushed back alot is caus the big guilds have no clue how to push in a keep or even defend one, seen plenty of fights at keep outer walls where 2 Raids get hold back by like 10 players

Eylith · June 2014

The ennemy of my ennemy is my friend.

Islyn · June 2014

In WABBA?? Even my HUSBAND, reading over my shoulder, who does not even play, was all *hmmm I thought I saw the other 2 (DC, EP) ganging up on your guys...? (AD)*

Yeah, I agree. I have been attacked and killed by a mob of DC/EP who after I was dead just went their separate ways.

I was glad though, tbh, to see EP/DC working together rather than complaining about the map being yellow.

Dalriaden · June 2014

If EP and AD are teaming up against DC then why is it every night DC taking kings and AD at farra as they each try to take an ep scroll?
EP is more worried about DC taking the lead so they do focus on them more then ad but teaming up? >.>

clayandaudrey_ESO · June 2014

Emperor wrote: »

Erlindur wrote: »

First of all, do you promise that you will never ever side with another alliance, if the third one gets too powerful?

To answer your question though... NO. DC will never team up with another alliance to win the war. If we are going to win, we are going to win with our own strength. Not by being little wimps and teaming up with an alliance we are supposed to hate. Maybe that is the reason AD is teaming with EP. We would not allow it.

This is too funny seeing how it was AD and DC that was teamed up not too long ago against EP. And by too long ago I mean maybe hours lol.

Panda244 · June 2014

Meh, its just like how on auriel's bow DC and EP team up against AD. But thats because we've dominated auriels and made everyone leave to go to wabba heh heh heh. No they will never stop working together because as they say,
"Theres always a bigger fish" and to catch or kill that fish you need multiple hands mkay.

Thunderchief · June 2014

AD have more players. EP have more skills.
DC should target AD.