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What's the best class?
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PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
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This true for many builds but a DK with full light and inferno staff concentrating on magicka staking will dominate the PVE from level 5-7 better than most builds and classes.You don't really need impulse,inhale,dragon blood etc on normal. Wall of elements,Volatile armor,burning Talons, Standards will do the job just fine.fyendiarb16_ESO wrote: »@Roberts3393
Just a side note:
Keep in mind that those who are talking about the light armor with resto/destro combo are talking about endgame and only endgame. The "overpowered" combo they get to use is not available to you until late in the game since it is completely dependent on the last abilities you get in both the resto and destro staves. To get those abilities you will be well in your 40's at the very least.
I am not saying it is hard to level with that in mind 1-50, but I am saying that if you go that route straight away don't expect to be as strong as everyone says.
Not a big deal if you are a power leveler, but if your friend intends to take his time then he will have to keep that in mind. Also chances are that if your friend takes his time that by the time he gets to that level those abilities have been nerved already.
The best class?
I know a lame answer, but at least until veteran rank it is whatever class/build you like best. Some go faster, some survive better and some take some getting used to, but in the end just pick what you like best and pray that by the time you get high level your build is buffed and not nerfed. The leveling will be most fun that way.
Even a heavy armor pure stamina build which is currently the weakest combo is very capable 1-50 and doable after that.
Edited by PBpsy on June 15, 2014 7:41PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
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Don't do that.
Fixing things like that just makes you look petty and stupid, even when people agree.
It used to bug me when people did that on the Swtor forums, it was annoying and stupid, and people just kept doing it, even though the joke had long died.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Dealdrick✭✭✭DK or Sorc. If your friend wants a viable "ranged" option, then tell him sorc. If he like more "tanky" types, DK. Templar and Nightblade are in poor shape, even the Devs admit this.0 -
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NB have top singletarget DPS now - in poor shape? Maybe, someone's hands in "poor shape"?DK or Sorc. If your friend wants a viable "ranged" option, then tell him sorc. If he like more "tanky" types, DK. Templar and Nightblade are in poor shape, even the Devs admit this.- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Arthur_Spoonfondle✭✭✭✭To be honest, whilst other people's experience and advice can be useful to help you get started, when it comes down to it, the best class is the one that best suits your playstyle. The only way to establish that is to give them each a try and see which one suits you.
In contrast to what seems like most people, I have found that a nightblade archer, using stealth and mainly bow abilities, suits me best.1 -
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Where did he mention single target dps and since when its all about single target damage when you pick a class?Edited by Bromburak on June 15, 2014 8:27PM1 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
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Please show me a link to anything that shows NB DPS outperforming every other class
He said single target DPS, ie one on one, Nightblades with their stealth can do a hell of a lot of damage to a single opponent.
They just suck at mobs.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
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Dealdrick✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »
Please show me a link to anything that shows NB DPS outperforming every other class
He said single target DPS, ie one on one, Nightblades with their stealth can do a hell of a lot of damage to a single opponent.
They just suck at mobs.
That is not what single target DPS is, that means damaging a target, just 1, for a decent amount of time. 1v1, or duels, is not what that means, and I wouldn't give that edge to NBs anyway....1 -
Mortosk✭✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »
Don't do that.
Fixing things like that just makes you look petty and stupid, even when people agree.
It used to bug me when people did that on the Swtor forums, it was annoying and stupid, and people just kept doing it, even though the joke had long died.
Saying Templar is the best class to someone who wants to tell their friend which class they should play is equally silly. Perhaps he was just being sarcastic, shrug. Either way, I wouldn't want the poor guy mislead."Now I stand, the lion before the lambs and they do not fear. They can not fear." --Arthas Menethil (aka, The Lich King)0 -
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✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »
Don't do that.
Fixing things like that just makes you look petty and stupid, even when people agree.
It used to bug me when people did that on the Swtor forums, it was annoying and stupid, and people just kept doing it, even though the joke had long died.
Saying Templar is the best class to someone who wants to tell their friend which class they should play is equally silly. Perhaps he was just being sarcastic, shrug. Either way, I wouldn't want the poor guy mislead.
I have no problem with you disagreeing with him, my beef was solely the Fixing quotes. As I said it does you no favours.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
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Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
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So what criteria we all must use if not single-target DPS?Where did he mention single target dps and since when its all about single target damage when you pick a class?
Search in the eternal-whine NB thread - at last pages I've posted video with some really good NB.
Most of players are victims of WOW-stereotypes: "OMG, NightBlade, I MUST use Medium and Dual-Blades!". But light'n'staff NB have TOP DPS in the entire game, not medium/duals. Yes, more than Sorcerers.
Another stereotype: "Sorcerer - something about magic, I MUST use robes (light) and staff." And it goes quite well, but not because Sorcerer - because of light armor and staff.- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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So what criteria we all must use if not single-target DPS?Where did he mention single target dps and since when its all about single target damage when you pick a class?
Search in the eternal-whine NB thread - at last pages I've posted video with some really good NB.
Most of players are victims of WOW-stereotypes: "OMG, NightBlade, I MUST use Medium and Dual-Blades!". But light'n'staff NB have TOP DPS in the entire game, not medium/duals. Yes, more than Sorcerers.
Another stereotype: "Sorcerer - something about magic, I MUST use robes (light) and staff." And it goes quite well, but not because Sorcerer - because of light armor and staff.
NBs are pulling what, 1k max? While DKs and sorcs are both above that. Tell me again how NBs are top single target damage dealers.....0 -
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All you have - is words and nothing moreNBs are pulling what, 1k max? While DKs and sorcs are both above that. Tell me again how NBs are top single target damage dealers.....
I have proofs: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/110503/sorcerer-have-1500-dps-seriously#latest- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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It doesn't matter because the OP was asking for a suitable class for his buddy.
You assume he can handle the class like experienced NBs and you only list one side of advantages without mentioning other synergies and ignore disadvantages completely.
This is not about me or you playing a NB at his limit its about someone who is new to ESO and wants to pick the best class for him.
How do you know that he likes the class lines and single dps only instead aoe , pets or whatever? You don't even know the conditions to define best class out of 4.
Edited by Bromburak on June 15, 2014 10:26PM0 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
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Did you read 1st post or #justsaying?How do you know that he likes the class lines and single dps only instead aoe , pets or whatever? You don't even know the conditions to define best class out of 4.
So many dependencies!Roberts3393 wrote: »Got a mate starting the game now and just wondering what class to recommend too him- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Did you read 1st post or #justsaying?How do you know that he likes the class lines and single dps only instead aoe , pets or whatever? You don't even know the conditions to define best class out of 4.
So many dependencies!Roberts3393 wrote: »Got a mate starting the game now and just wondering what class to recommend too him
So you actually confirm that you don't know , but you just recommend NB out of 4 classes just because of single target dps without further explanations or disadvantages and ignore comparisons to other classes completely! Awesome!
Edited by Bromburak on June 15, 2014 10:40PM0 -
Singular✭✭✭✭JungleBoot wrote: »The best over all class for PvE content are Templars. But, you will have to travel with a group or over-level content to be on par with lower levels using other classes. So, why is it the best? It has a whole skill tree dedicated to healing and recovery with passives to boot. And, yes. You could just use a healing staff and roll with that. But, why be like everyone else who just wants to steamroll through content.
Advising people to be templars is just mean!War, give me war, give me war.0 -
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So what criteria we all must use if not single-target DPS?Where did he mention single target dps and since when its all about single target damage when you pick a class?
Search in the eternal-whine NB thread - at last pages I've posted video with some really good NB.
Most of players are victims of WOW-stereotypes: "OMG, NightBlade, I MUST use Medium and Dual-Blades!". But light'n'staff NB have TOP DPS in the entire game, not medium/duals. Yes, more than Sorcerers.
Another stereotype: "Sorcerer - something about magic, I MUST use robes (light) and staff." And it goes quite well, but not because Sorcerer - because of light armor and staff.
Go to the character creation screen and please tell me which armor the NB is wearing. It isn't light armor, it's medium.
Description for NB....Nightblades are adventures and opportunists with a gift for getting in and out of trouble. Relying variously on stealth, blades, and speed. Nightblades thrive on conflict and misfortune, trusting to their lick and cunning to survive.
Stealthy assassins which is what a NB is supposed to be should NOT be a caster class. If I want to use two staves, I'd roll a sorcerer.
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Sorc - nothing beats crystal fragment getting hit for 975 twice in a matter of seconds is insane.Patch 1.2.3 nerfed the game....
Zergballing wrecked pvp......
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✭Roberts3393 wrote: »Got a mate starting the game now and just wondering what class to recommend too him
devs will constant mess with the classes, rather than looking at which class is "best" at this moment, just pick the play style he/she wants.
ask him:
ranged or close ranged?
solo or in group?
magic or physical weapon?
This is the key. The game launched about two months ago, and people are just now settling into the endgame. We can expect multiple balance passes over the next six months or so. Playing to a style you enjoy is a much better long-term plan than picking what's best at a point in time.
Any class can be built to perform well or badly. Pick what looks cool, then research what works.Snit AD Sorc
Ratbag AD Warden Tank
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andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »Best Class: Dragonborn in Skyrim .... dont worry about ESO
hate to quote myself
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1st I recommended Templar - really good class for newbies. Or DK.Roberts3393 wrote: »So you actually confirm that you don't know , but you just recommend NB out of 4 classes just because of single target dps without further explanations or disadvantages and ignore comparisons to other classes completely! Awesome!
Yes mate, you are absolutely right! NBs have insane BURST DPS and they are fits the role of stealth assasins perfectly! But, you know, STEALTH ASSASINS CAN NOT deal so big damage for a long time - coz his role is burst kills only! So WTF all NBs are whining around about damn PVE-stuff?Go to the character creation screen and please tell me which armor the NB is wearing. It isn't light armor, it's medium.
Description for NB....Nightblades are adventures and opportunists with a gift for getting in and out of trouble. Relying variously on stealth, blades, and speed. Nightblades thrive on conflict and misfortune, trusting to their lick and cunning to survive.
Stealthy assassins which is what a NB is supposed to be should NOT be a caster class. If I want to use two staves, I'd roll a sorcerer.- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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phtony06b14_ESO✭✭✭Each class is capable in the right situation. Keep in mind that any class can tank/heal/dps via the shared weapon lines and world/guild class lines.
Nightblades: Stealthy burst damage (melee), dot caster damage (ranged), can tank (I wouldn't know the details), can heal (mostly with the resto staff abilities). decent sustain, 2nd best escape in game.
Sorcerors: Burst ranged damage, decent tank abilities, melee viable, good CC, best escape mechanism in game, great sustain. Top of the pvp chain at the moment.
Dragon Knights: Great tanks, best at mid-close range combat (melee or pyro caster), great CC, great dot damage, great survivability. no escape, can sustain.
Templars: Great healers, melee capable, caster capable, decent tank, no escape, can sustain but not as well as other classes based only on class abilities.
Currently endgame favors magicka builds, light armor & resto/destro staves but I've read devs are aware & I would expect changes at some point.
Tamriel Foundry is a decent website to research builds.0 -
I would like for people to clarify when they just spam DRAGON KNIGHT !! If you are, then please say a light armor staff using wanna be sorc DK please. Not all of us just WTFPWN everything in the game. Some DK's would rather be a stam build and if you have tried the stam build DK you would know we dont faceroll anything once you hit vet or in pvp for that matter. Anything 1-50 is a joke to every class, with any spec.Just a spoonful of moon sugar helps the medicine go down.0
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So what criteria we all must use if not single-target DPS?Where did he mention single target dps and since when its all about single target damage when you pick a class?
Search in the eternal-whine NB thread - at last pages I've posted video with some really good NB.
Most of players are victims of WOW-stereotypes: "OMG, NightBlade, I MUST use Medium and Dual-Blades!". But light'n'staff NB have TOP DPS in the entire game, not medium/duals. Yes, more than Sorcerers.
Another stereotype: "Sorcerer - something about magic, I MUST use robes (light) and staff." And it goes quite well, but not because Sorcerer - because of light armor and staff.
NBs are pulling what, 1k max? While DKs and sorcs are both above that. Tell me again how NBs are top single target damage dealers.....
my v6 sorc never do anything like that, 1k? show me a link, or you just pulling numbers out of thin air.0 -
Asasinka✭✭✭best class is first A... you know, so much expectations I'm fighting for a higher purpose0