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Any one try a templar (2h) pure DPS
Salacious
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I am level 19, two handed pure glass cannon build templar and I am being told "you are doing it wrong, either heal us, tank for us for gtfo - you cannot be a dps"
am I doing it wrong? or is there room for our kind?
am I doing it wrong? or is there room for our kind?
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Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Templar DPS is not in a great place right now. Even if it were, you'd have to wear light armor and use staves, not two handed weapons.2 -
Worstluck✭✭✭✭✭is there room for our kind?
1-50 yes, that would work fine. Beyond that, from my understanding, unfortunately no. Stamina builds are very weak the higher level you are, and Templar dps is not as desired as DK, Sorc or even Nightblade dps at endgame. I don't have a high level Templar but these are my observations.
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Salacious✭✭✭So I am stuck being a healer or a tank? Zenimax should fix this so that any class can "heal", tank or dps.2
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Reldun✭What might work for you solo isn't always going to work in a group setting. The short answer is that in a group, there are better dps classes, so you are taking a spot better used by someone else in a dps role.
ETA: My main is a VR4 Temp that I leveled 1-50 playing sword and board, after which I found I was more more useful in a group and efficient solo by wearing robes and using a resto staffEdited by Reldun on June 15, 2014 8:15PM2 -
Salacious✭✭✭But I dont want to heal. And Tanking is so boring. I thought the point of ESO was to play how you want? And that things were balanced around group play?4
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Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Because melee and stamina and armor is completely [snip] broken for all classes.they are trying to save you some frustration
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on June 16, 2014 12:21AM1 -
Reldun✭But I dont want to heal. And Tanking is so boring. I thought the point of ESO was to play how you want? And that things were balanced around group play?
Then you probably shouldn't be playing a templar. If you want to DPS I suggest playing a class that is better suited to it. It would probably cause less "you are doing it wrong" in groups as well.1 -
Salacious✭✭✭This game should focus on balancing the classes to be more aligned with each other instead of this severely broken mess they have created. I was under the impression that because I could equip any armor, any weapon that class didnt really matter nor did play style. How Zei-fail really mis-marketed that one.4
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am level 19, two handed pure glass cannon build templar and I am being told "you are doing it wrong, either heal us, tank for us for gtfo - you cannot be a dps"
am I doing it wrong? or is there room for our kind?
Not sure about the Twohanded for DPS, but Templar can be a DPS, mine is not that far behind my DK for damage, and ahead of my sorc. (I know some say Sorc is better than DK for DPS, but my experience is the other way around).
Anyone tells you that a Templar can't be a DPS, put the fool on ignore.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Reldun✭This game should focus on balancing the classes to be more aligned with each other instead of this severely broken mess they have created. I was under the impression that because I could equip any armor, any weapon that class didnt really matter nor did play style. How Zei-fail really mis-marketed that one.
Keep in mind that while yes, you can use any weapon/armor... passives are no small deal, neither are class skills. Some races are going to have a slight edge in certain roles, and some class skills are going to provide additions as well. Just because two players are using the same weapon/staff does not mean they should deal the same amount of damage, or heal the same, or be able to tank the same.
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Salacious✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »I am level 19, two handed pure glass cannon build templar and I am being told "you are doing it wrong, either heal us, tank for us for gtfo - you cannot be a dps"
am I doing it wrong? or is there room for our kind?
Not sure about the Twohanded for DPS, but Templar can be a DPS, mine is not that far behind my DK for damage, and ahead of my sorc. (I know some say Sorc is better than DK for DPS, but my experience is the other way around).
Anyone tells you that a Templar can't be a DPS, put the fool on ignore.
What kind of build/armor/weapons are you using?
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Braidas✭✭✭✭✭This game should focus on balancing the classes to be more aligned with each other instead of this severely broken mess they have created. I was under the impression that because I could equip any armor, any weapon that class didnt really matter nor did play style. How Zei-fail really mis-marketed that one.
What are you talking about? You can play any way you want, but not every way is equally effective. Obviously you have to think a little about what you're doing to be a good player. If you want to throw a 2H weapon on a Templar with medium armor and 49 points into stamina, stacking all your skill points into crafting, then by all means go ahead; but don't expect to do very well in combat. Every game has classes meant to fulfill certain roles; every class should not be capable of doing the same things. ZOS never promised they could, they simply said you could do what you want. Which in PvE (not including VR ranks which are not really part of the main story and are meant to be a challenge), you can just fine. Classes clearly still need to be adjusted a bit (most problems really stem from stamina, light armor, and staves rather than classes), but the goal is not to homogenize them.Edited by Braidas on June 15, 2014 8:39PM2 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »I am level 19, two handed pure glass cannon build templar and I am being told "you are doing it wrong, either heal us, tank for us for gtfo - you cannot be a dps"
am I doing it wrong? or is there room for our kind?
Not sure about the Twohanded for DPS, but Templar can be a DPS, mine is not that far behind my DK for damage, and ahead of my sorc. (I know some say Sorc is better than DK for DPS, but my experience is the other way around).
Anyone tells you that a Templar can't be a DPS, put the fool on ignore.
What kind of build/armor/weapons are you using?
Heavy Armour, Sword and Shield, with a two health for one magick and one stamina ratio on my build.
A combination of Biting jabs from templar, Puncture, and solar flare is my standard battle tactics, along with hitting and blocking a lot.
Also my race is Khajiit, so maybe I'm getting a few criticals in.
Anyway it's working for me at the moment.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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sylviermoone✭✭✭✭✭My husband plays a Kahjit, Med armor, 2H Templar. Between the two of us, he does the DPS, and I wind up healing AND tanking (sort of).
I play a Kahjit DW NB (also med armor) and run assassination and siphoning heavy. After I get my sneak crit, I funnel health a bunch, which keeps us both alive and pulls aggro allowing him to get his DoT off, and several other attacks. We haven't died in quite some time.
Of course, we're both still sub 50, so while this may work for us now, my research tells me we will probably have to respec a bit come Vet levels. :-)Co-GM, Angry Unicorn Traders: PC/NA
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Natjur✭✭✭✭✭
✭Until L50, you can play any build you like, but for groups, tanks and healers are not as common so other players who only play sorcs don't want templar dps as they need a tank or healer, even tho, ANY class can tank, my sorc is V12 and tanks alot. But no one want to tank, everyone just wants to sit back and go, wow look at my dps. Dps is easy mode, tanking and healing is harder (but not too much)
I recommend you try to play all three. Have your DPS fun build and skill up some healing and tank skills too so you will find it easier getting a group laterEdited by Natjur on June 15, 2014 9:11PM1 -
oxylus✭✭I've never had an issue in groups as a templar dps (5h/2l, 2handed, magicka based with 2h utilities) going up to vr dungeons. So many people don't know how to play the game that just having a basic understanding of mechanics and synergies is going to outweigh class imbalance in pugs - I see so many people that don't know how to cc or move out of red circles. This does not hold true if you have a group that wants the fastest and most efficient run possible though, since templar dps is just not there. I've never had anyone mention kicking me or wanting a higher dps in though, and I run a lot of dungeons.
It's important to note that your weapon is not your class. The weapon is for utility abilities and for when you are out of magicka. You should never, ever put any points or equipment into stamina. It has no impact whatsoever on your dps potential and is just wasted.Edited by oxylus on June 15, 2014 11:16PM2 -
Belitseri✭✭✭I'm a healer. I tried not to be. But after so many games creating toons that collect dust while I play my healer, I've pretty much accepted my fate and apparently secret desire. That said, when I created my Templar (vr1 right now), I set out to be a healer and ...did 2h/med armor. LMAO I had fun! A lot of fun. Once I got to vr, I swapped to cloth and armed myself with a resto stave to heal. But, I did have a lot of fun doing 2h/med armor until I switched out. My DPS felt fine. I rarely died. I killed stuff. I charged, I had fun. Fun trumps all things. I made a Sorc because I wanted to, not because I dislike my Templar ...and I'm having fun healing on it too. lol Play your Temp, but understand it needs some boosting later on.0 -
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The point of classes in ESO was to get a few extra skill lines to make stuff with. ANy class can heal, tank, or dps, as was promised by the Devs. Only problem here is that they can't, mainly due to how bad the Classes are balanced and the weapons and armor are even worse.
To put it in different terms, imagine that everything cannot be balanced (Which is partially true actually) but instead the Devs strived to make everything viable, which is a normal thing in game design. In this case a Knife for cutting meat and a knife for cutting fruit. The fruit knife will cut only fruit, but the meat knife will cut the meat and the fruit, and everything else as well.
This is the disparity between classes and weapons right now; Templars can pretty much only heal and Nightblades can pretty much only DPS, whereas a Sorc or a DK can tank, heal, or DPS, sometimes 2 out of the 3 at a time if you're skilled enough.
This breaks down as being unbalanced, which is to be expected albeit at a much grosser/higher level than should be allowed, so much so that what was meant to be viable (Templar DPS for instance) isn't even that anymore, it's just plain not fun or worth paying money for thanks to the huge disparity and lack of motivation here. More so, I will say that this is not the primary reason I unsubbed from this game, mainly because I know eventually my Templar would be fixed and somewhat sooner rather than years later such as WoW's Paladins or TERA's Slayers.
The reason I unsubbed was the blatant disregard the Public Relations Department over at ZoS has for it's players, showing painfully obvious favoritism for the Aldmeri Dominion and posting for a Battlemaster's Corner a build using the armor, weapon set, and class currently causing a massive controversy among their players.
Simply put, I don't want to play a game where the head guys in charge are damned fools that can't seem to plan around/with their community but instead against it. This isn't D&D, you don't get to dictate what people paying you do.Bobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!2 -
Limitless✭✭✭I'm a 2H Templar Pure DPS on one of my swaps, while my other swap is pure healing.
I do a pretty good amount of DPS, I PVP often and I've never really had any big complaints. I can take on pretty much everyone (short of those really good DK players who seem invincible) without a problem.
It works man, just have to find the right way to do it.Ebonheart Pact
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I am V12. I spent two days leveling up skills to try a 2h stamina build. After about 24 hours I respecced back to magicka with some understanding of why so many people complain about stamina builds.
I am not upset or anything though. The skills are leveled, so I can quickly swap back to stamina is it ever gets ungimped.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
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V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)1 -
I am level 19, two handed pure glass cannon build templar and I am being told "you are doing it wrong, either heal us, tank for us for gtfo - you cannot be a dps"
am I doing it wrong? or is there room for our kind?
You're level 19. There should be 0 problem with you being a dps until you get into VR and hopefully by then they'll have balanced the game a bit more.
If someone tells you that you can't dps tell them to kindly shove it
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✭to be fair, Templar has no issues DPSing.
I can spike for 1.6k damage in a second using a simple rotation of Dark Flare, Vampires bane, Light attack, Binding Javelin.
This is on my Vet 2 Templar.
The real problem i see is that for the most part Physical combat is really weak compaired to pure Mage.. Even if you focus all stats on MP and SP you are likley better off with spells.I play every class in every situation. I love them all.1 -
one moment you really choose a class with the ONLY dedicated skilltree to heal and complain about damage ?2
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »one moment you really choose a class with the ONLY dedicated skilltree to heal and complain about damage ?
I'm not complaining, I'm enjoying my Templar, my templar does decent dps. I tend towards DPS style play, I can do Healer and Tank, I just don't enjoy it. And I'm levelling up all four classes, and having fun.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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Phantorang✭✭✭✭It's important to note that your weapon is not your class. The weapon is for utility abilities and for when you are out of magicka. You should never, ever put any points or equipment into stamina. It has no impact whatsoever on your dps potential and is just wasted.
This is a common misunderstanding, the higher stamina you got, the more damage you do with your melee weapon.
You can do nearly double damage if you put all your points into stamina.Edited by Phantorang on June 16, 2014 9:42AMFimbulwinter Recruiting true Vikings | Campaigns score | EU PC1 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Phantorang wrote: »It's important to note that your weapon is not your class. The weapon is for utility abilities and for when you are out of magicka. You should never, ever put any points or equipment into stamina. It has no impact whatsoever on your dps potential and is just wasted.
This is a common misunderstanding, the higher stamina you got, the more damage you do with your melee weapon.
Which is why I put some points in all three stats.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule2 -
Moltier✭✭I am level 19, two handed pure glass cannon build templar and I am being told "you are doing it wrong, either heal us, tank for us for gtfo - you cannot be a dps"
am I doing it wrong? or is there room for our kind?
Im lvl46 with my templar as DPS. I have leveled a DK and a Sorcerer up to vet2 and vet7. So far Templar is the most fun, and the highest dps of the 3. I may played my DK wrong (not a caster), but as templar i was able to solo world bosses (very fast) and dark anchors. Veteran areas may change this, soon i will see.
Btw, I use 7 light armor with two handad weapon as main, resto staff as secondary.
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Drakoleon✭✭✭✭Templars are not all the same depens the race if you are OP ( )Highelf play with destro(best DPS for templar) 5pieces H armor+ 2 L armor if Argonian/Brit go for resto as healer Enything else dump the char and start over.... sorry 1
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Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭I say next time a group attempts to dictate how you should play and wants to use elitist attitude just place them on an ignore list. NOT everybody in this game plays like that. As a healer I would GLADLY accept a 2 hander Templar in my group.
ACTUALLY I HAD a group where everybody was melee except me cause I was the healer and we NEEDED ranged dps for just 1 boss. Luckily 2 of them were able to weapon swap to ranged weapons.
I play the game to have fun. IF that means my group is less than optimal who cares its all about having fun.2