Hunding's Rage set BROKEN
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭There is a thread recently created about this issue.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/108673/hunding-s-rage-damage-bonus-broken
And ZOS have ignored it
So creating a new one will MAKE them answer you? Adding to an existing thread will show it is a hot topic, especially if it grows in page length. Creating your own is self serving.
Please stay on topic. If you're upset that there are other threads, just flag it and a mod will close it. Clearly a nerve has been hit on you
Why would you attack someone who is just pointing out there is another thread with actual information in it? Reading this thread up to the point where I made the post and link shows that this thread is clearly nothing more than 2 people arguing and insulting anyone who makes a post in this worthless thread.
I am staying on topic, there is nothing but flaming and trolling going on in this one.
Well that's just your personal opinion, and it's not fact and it's not wrong, it's just an opinion you have.
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭Ok let me type that again:
It does work, dont expect a straight % damage increase, because that is not what it does.
It does not work like Flawless Dawnbreaker.
It does not show on the tooltip.
It will buff your base weapon damage (Power) by 21% but only while using weapon abilities.
This is not something you can see on your stats and it will not net you a 21% damage increase as you were expecting.
But of course im really dumb and ignorant and dont forget, a troll!
Nope. It's broken.0 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭Ok let me type that again:
It does work, dont expect a straight % damage increase, because that is not what it does.
It does not work like Flawless Dawnbreaker.
It does not show on the tooltip.
It will buff your base weapon damage (Power) by 21% but only while using weapon abilities.
This is not something you can see on your stats and it will not net you a 21% damage increase as you were expecting.
But of course im really dumb and ignorant and dont forget, a troll!
ooooooooooh wait i think i get you
So I hit 249 without the set bonus on
And I hit 272 with the set bonus on
My base weapon is 118 so when I use ransack with the set bonus I'd get an additional (118 x 1.18 = 139 - 118
21 damage?
So i'd hit around 270? ok i think i've misunderstood the tooltip. i admit i was wrong about this and you were right.
but +21 damage is nothing compared to when sorcerers are hitting 600 dmg with crystal fragments.
i'm stilll annoyed that stamina builds are useless1 -
captain_awesome✭✭✭A lot of the Crafted Armour sets don't work.
Including the Hunding's Rage set.
The OP is correct. Ty.Dominion FTW.0 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭The OP already acknowledged he was wrong, i think its time for everyone else to understand how this set works and move on.
Zos, fix the tooltip, "you do moar dmg!!!" works well enough, better than the actual one.
Op, stop calling people trolls and reporting them to moderators when they answer.
And i dont care if you report me again, its just disgusting how you hide behind the rules you are breaking yourself.Edited by Gisgo on June 15, 2014 6:38PM0 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭The OP already acknowledged he was wrong, i think its time for everyone else to understand how this set works and move on.
Zos, fix the tooltip, "you do moar dmg!!!" works well enough, better than the actual one.
Op, stop calling people trolls and reporting them to moderators when they answer.
And i dont care if you report me again, its just disgusting how you hide behind the rules you are breaking yourself.
ive had some of my posts deleted as well you know. but some people are trolling though0 -
Dealdrick✭✭✭The OP already acknowledged he was wrong, i think its time for everyone else to understand how this set works and move on.
Zos, fix the tooltip, "you do moar dmg!!!" works well enough, better than the actual one.
Op, stop calling people trolls and reporting them to moderators when they answer.
And i dont care if you report me again, its just disgusting how you hide behind the rules you are breaking yourself.
ive had some of my posts deleted as well you know. but some people are trolling though
After reading this thread, you're acting pretty trolly yourself =p
Easy with the accusations, turbo2 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭
Easy with the accusations, turbo
Thats fine, i guess next time i will mind my own business and let the OP wonder why his set isnt working properly
What will happen on the long run is that people willing to discuss will leave for a better forum... like already is happening.
Edited by Gisgo on June 15, 2014 8:06PM0 -
Postumus✭So, just to cap the thread off, by my calculation the hunding's rage set is, in this case, applying about a 9% increase to actual damage done with weapon skills.
Percent difference: Difference/Average = (272.5-249)/((272.5+249)/2) = 0.09
Whatever wonky mechanics resulted in this increase, the fact is that there IS an increase, and so the set may not be "Broken", per se. The real question should be, is the damage increase consistent across different levels, and is the increase comparable to what you might see from a magicka based set bonus, like 5% spell crit, or a passive bonus like dawnbreaker.
I don't think you can argue that there is any better 5-piece set bonus for stam/weapon builds.
EDIT: Also, quit flaming, its well known that no one listens to anything said on the interweb in a hostile tone, unless its backed up by a ban or somesuch. The thread has been made, might as well discuss, you might get some extra attention based on the squeaky wheel principle. Or just go necro the other post yourself instead of complaining about someone not doing it.Edited by Postumus on June 15, 2014 9:06PM1 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭
Because light and heavy attacks don't use weapon abilities ( as in the stamina abilities on your hotbar). I realise the damage only increases on your base weapon damage when you use a weapon ablility. Confusing at first.0 -
Lyall84✭✭✭✭So I did a little experiment today. I crafted my own Hunding's Rage heavy armor set, 5 pieces all white quality with no stamina enchantments as to not ruin the results. My stamina will remain the same throughout the test.
With set on
Weapon Damage: 118
Weapon crit: 5%
With set off
Weapon Damage: 118
Weapon crit: 5%
I will be using a one handed sword(white quality voidsteel sword with no trait or enhancement), a white quality nightwood shield, and the ability Ransack, and light attacks and heavy attacks.
Ransack tooltip with set on
Ransack tooltip with set off
Lets do some testing. I will be using CLS to record my results. With the set bonus I am supposed to get 18% more weapon damage.
With set OFF
With set ON
+4 damage on my light attacks when it should be hitting about 118
Ransack with set off average = 249
Ransack with set on average =272.5
+23.5 (average) on my Ransack when I should be hitting an extra +44 after putting on my equipment (249 x 1.18 = 293)
+9 damage on heavy attack after putting on my equipment when it should be around +47 damage.
BROKEN. One of the few crafted stamina set bonuses in this game is BROKEN.
It should add more damage than it does, but it is not supposed to increase the SKILL damage by 18%. Just the weapons portion of the damage.
Bottom line: the 5 set reads (at VR 9 white quality) "Increases weapon damage by 18% when using weapon abilities". This reads to me that it increases the weapon abilities damage by 18% of the weapon's portion of the damage.
Base Damage:
Completely ungeared (ie naked) my Executioner IV (two handed morph) deals 81 damage.
Gear: All gear listed is white, with no enchantments or traits, unless otherwise listed.
Level 13 vendor bought great sword (Green) = 40 damage.
VR9 crafted great sword = 134 damage.
VR9 crafted medium hunding's rage set (5 pieces) = 18% increase.
Test:
Naked with green level 13 sword, Executioner does 106 damage. So far it can be noted that a about 62% of the weapon's damage is added to the skill's damage.
Naked with white VR9 sword, Executioner does 166 damage. It appears that this weapon added about 63% of the weapon's damage to the skill's damage. Pretty consistent.
5 Piece Hunding's Rage set equipped with green level 13 sword. Executioner tool tip still displays 106 damage. It appears that the set has 0 effect. Set is broken and useless. Should be around 110 damage if you count the set as only increasing the weapons portion of the effect. Would be around 125 if the set counted to the ability as a whole.
5 Piece Hunding's Rage set equipped with white VR9 sword. Executioner tool tip still displays 166 damage. It appears that the set has 0 effect. Set is broken and useless. Should be around 180 damage if you count the set as only increasing the weapons portion of the effect. Would be around 195 if the set counted to the ability as a whole.
Ran 2 different combat log mods with the same results on both. The set appears to be adding about 5-7 damage to the abilities. Now mind you, this is with VR 9 gear and weapons. On a 134 damage great sword about 63% of the damage is used for the skills damage, with the 18% set bonus it should be using 81% if the weapons damage. With a weapon of that damage I should be seeing a 22-24 damage per hit increase. Not a 5-7.
If you start asking about armor of the target, i was hitting a level 40 troll in all my tests, and was giving about 80% of the damage that my tool tip was saying I should be, safe to assume that the troll has 20% physical damage reduction. Means i should have still seen a 18-20 damage increase, not a 5-7.
Remember, I am calculating this based on what the set bonus says it does "Increases weapon damage by 18% when using weapon abilities", I am only looking for an increase on the weapons damage portion of the weapon ability, not an increase on the entire ability.
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Lyall84✭✭✭✭Yes and i was under the impression it did not work until i tested it myself.
It does work, dont expect a straight % damage increase, because that is not what it does.
It does not work like Flawless Dawnbreaker.
It does not show on the tooltip.
It will buff your base weapon damage (Power) by 21% but only while using weapon abilities.
This is not something you can see on your stats and it will not net you a 21% damage increase as you were expecting.
works, a little, but not as much as the tool tip shows. 5 damage increase on a 134 damage weapon is not 18%.0 -
Oberstein✭✭✭It's not broken, stop it.History, like a human being, is thirsty when it wakes from its slumber…History wants to drink up an enormous amount of blood. And even if history has tired of drinking blood, that’s only in regards to the amount. But what about quality? The larger the sacrifice is, the more delighted the cruel gods will be.0 -
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