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My feedback about ESO

yake82
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Few days ago i was building dual wield dps offspec for my tank dk.
I was looking at the skills and was thinking: "If i stack attack speed, i should have like 38% faster swings. Pop Molten Armaments on top of that and i'll own stuff, huehuehue..."


First i realize that Molten Armaments critical bonus doesnt work.
I was in my tank gear, 0% critical chance, and using Molten Armaments i still didnt score any critical hits.

Despite this setback, i continued building my offspec, simply because i wanted to see the fast weapon swings.

10% from two purple, weighted swords.
10% from Agility medium armor passive
17% from Rapid Strikes III

And guess what? They dont work. Or stack... I think they should stack... It would be stupid if they are not supposed to stack. All the critical chance bonii stack, why doesnt rate of swing stack.

Anyways, at this point put all my medium and heavy armor and melee weapons to bank and respecced to light armor and destro/resto.


Now that ive spend 2 days trying few staff builds ive noticed 2 things.

Elemental Drain doesnt work. I made post here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/110862/elemental-drain-broken#latest

Might of the Guild, mages guild passive, doesnt work.
Tried this while farming senche-tigers in Root Sunder Ruins: First cast Equilibrium and then hit mobs with Impulse. Impulse hits same damage, wether or not i cast Equilibrium first.


So yeah... Im getting real tired of this. I feel im paying for beta testing a game here.
Edited by ZOS_HugoP on June 15, 2014 4:04PM
  • DontBeAfraid
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    yake82 wrote: »

    So yeah... Im getting real tired of this. I feel im paying for beta testing a game here.

    doesnt only feel like beta testing. we actually are..
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  • khele23eb17_ESO
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    yake82 wrote: »

    So yeah... Im getting real tired of this. I feel im paying for beta testing a game here.

    When you think about the console release being a few months away, thats a pretty accurate description of whats going on.
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  • AlexDougherty
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    yake82 wrote: »
    And guess what? They dont work. Or stack... I think they should stack... It would be stupid if they are not supposed to stack. All the critical chance bonii stack, why doesnt rate of swing stack.

    Not sure if they stack, it makes sense that they should stach though.

    But far far more important, the plural of Bonus is Bonuses. Not every "us" plurallises into "ii", and this is one that doesn't.
    Apparently according to the dictionary it should be Bonum and the plural Bonus, but hey that's how the english language mucks things up.
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  • chaosme
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    Regarding might of the guild, remind me of I am mistaken but does it state that it increases spell damage? It might because the game tests impulse as being dependent on weapon damage and hence no improvement.
  • Rocksteady
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    Console players are gonna be mighty angry when they get their hands on this game. PC gamers are usually used to doing a bit of testing and putting in bug reports. But console players, on the other hand, expect a finished game when they put the disc in their machine.
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  • steveb16_ESO46
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    Rocksteady wrote: »
    Console players are gonna be mighty angry when they get their hands on this game. PC gamers are usually used to doing a bit of testing and putting in bug reports. But console players, on the other hand, expect a finished game when they put the disc in their machine.

    Man, they are going to be SOL then. not that i believe for 1 second this will ever make it to consoles.
  • TheMagicalSpiff
    Rocksteady wrote: »
    Console players are gonna be mighty angry when they get their hands on this game. PC gamers are usually used to doing a bit of testing and putting in bug reports. But console players, on the other hand, expect a finished game when they put the disc in their machine.

    Man, they are going to be SOL then. not that i believe for 1 second this will ever make it to consoles.

    Prepare to be proven wrong when they do? They aren't really struggling to keep the ship afloat. In fact, it's soaring with the winds, enjoying it's voyage, as are most of the players.

  • Bromburak
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    yake82 wrote: »
    10% from Agility medium armor passive
    17% from Rapid Strikes III

    And guess what? They dont work. Or stack...

    Can anyone confirm this?

    You cannot use class skills as trigger for this destruction ability.
    Anyway, part of returned magicka was nerfed.
    Might of the Guild, mages guild passive, doesnt work.

    It works but the "buff" is eaten up by any follower attack.
    This includes weapon swings that would actually waste your buff.
    Edited by Bromburak on June 15, 2014 11:02AM
  • Gisgo
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    Apparently according to the dictionary it should be Bonum and the plural Bonus, but hey that's how the english language mucks things up.

    Way to butcher latin and call it english :p

  • Aeradon
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    Are you sure we've been playing the same game before this?

    It's common, glad that you finally noticed it now. (: Better late than never!
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  • yake82
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    Bromburak wrote: »
    10% from Agility medium armor passive
    17% from Rapid Strikes III

    And guess what? They dont work. Or stack...

    Can anyone confirm this?

    Here, feel free to copy paste this to forum search tool:

    Rapid Strikes bug

    Forum post has been made about the bug in April 11.
    You can try this with Molten Armaments too
    Bromburak wrote: »

    You cannot use class skills as trigger for this destruction ability.
    Anyway, part of returned magicka was nerfed.

    Again i spent my game time testing the abilities... Sigh..

    I cast Elemental Drain. Then proceed to cast with Inferno staff:

    Unstable wall of Fire
    Crushing Shock
    Fire Clench
    Fire Impulse

    And no magicka.

    I switch to class skills: Wielding inferno staff, cast Elemental Drain

    Unstable Flame
    Engulfing Flames
    Molten Whip
    Flames of Oblivion

    And no magicka.

    Atleast Siphon Spirit works...
    Bromburak wrote: »
    Might of the Guild, mages guild passive, doesnt work.

    It works but the "buff" is eaten up by any follower attack.
    This includes weapon swings that would actually waste your buff.

    I kept testing this and noticed that it works on class skills, not on weapon skill nor light/heavy attacks. To be specific, first damage tick of a class skill consumes the buff. It worked on Standard.

    Still, i call it a bug for not working on destro skills.
    Edited by yake82 on June 15, 2014 2:26PM
  • Mystborn
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    Elemental Drain restore Magicka effect does work, how are you determining it doesn't?

    Might of the guild clearly states it grants additional "Spell Damage" on your next attack right? Weapon skills and light/heavy attacks do not have their damage based on Spell Damage but rather use Weapon Damage. It's not a bug, it's just how the game works, it would be like equipping rings with +13 Spell Damage enchantments on them and then being upset they don't increase the damage of your weapon attacks.
  • Paladin_echo1
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    Physical Attackers suck and always will until Zenimax decides this is not going to be Elder Sorcerers Online.
  • ArRashid
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    Bromburak wrote: »
    yake82 wrote: »
    10% from Agility medium armor passive
    17% from Rapid Strikes III

    And guess what? They dont work. Or stack...

    Can anyone confirm this?

    You cannot use class skills as trigger for this destruction ability.
    Anyway, part of returned magicka was nerfed.
    Might of the Guild, mages guild passive, doesnt work.

    It works but the "buff" is eaten up by any follower attack.
    This includes weapon swings that would actually waste your buff.

    Might of the Guild always provides 10% boost. Regardless if you put one or two skill points there. So yeah, pretty much 2nd skill point does nothing instead of giving another 10% buff..
  • Blackwidow
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    DireKit wrote: »
    Hurr.

    I think someone is stalking me. :)


  • DireKit
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    Blackwidow wrote: »
    DireKit wrote: »
    Hurr.

    I think someone is stalking me. :)


    HOW DID YOU FIND THE TRACKING CHIP?!

    We watch you sleep at night. ;)
    Edited by DireKit on June 15, 2014 3:01PM
  • Blackwidow
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    DireKit wrote: »
    Blackwidow wrote: »
    DireKit wrote: »
    Hurr.

    I think someone is stalking me. :)


    HOW DID YOU FIND THE TRACKING CHIP?!

    We watch you sleep at night. ;)

    I can't blame you. I'm adorable. :D
  • DireKit
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    Blackwidow wrote: »
    I can't blame you. I'm adorable. :D

    Adorably something, alright. B)
  • FrauPerchta
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    There is a lot in ESO that doesn't work right. If everything functioned properly ESO would be a very different game.
  • Bromburak
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    yake82 wrote: »
    Again i spent my game time testing the abilities... Sigh..

    So why did you try DK skills in combination with Elemental drain?
    Just to get a well known confirmation that it wont work? I don't see the sense behind , testing things that are not supported anyways!

    However, elemental drain does return magicka but less than expected.

    One issue during testing could be add ons , you should make sure its not related to any outdated or "buggy" addon.

    As well relog before testing skills, because many passive benefits get lost after switching quickbars. (same with speed buff in stealth on concealed weapon for example). And yes of course its still a bug.
    Here, feel free to copy paste this to forum search tool:

    Rapid Strikes bug

    The only bug i am aware of that a couple players reported, that accidently attack speed was reduced after triggering Rapid strikes but that is a totally different bug and could not be confirmed by everyone either.

    So yeah there are strange numbers going on, but to much speculation as well.
    Edited by Bromburak on June 15, 2014 3:17PM
  • Mystborn
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    ArRashid wrote: »

    Might of the Guild always provides 10% boost. Regardless if you put one or two skill points there. So yeah, pretty much 2nd skill point does nothing instead of giving another 10% buff..

    Not true, I just retested on PTS and my test char's Solar Flare did 404 with no MotG, 426 with 1/2 MotG and 448 with 2/2 MotG.


    Bromburak wrote: »

    So why did you try DK skills in combination with Elemental drain?
    Just to get a well known confirmation that it wont work? I don't see the sense behind , testing things that are not supported anyways!

    Umm DK skills do work in combination with Elemental Drain. I just retested on the PTS and Fiery Grip, Searing Strike, and Lava Whip all gave me 19 Magicka back when used against a target with Elemental Drain on it.

    EDIT: might as well debunk this false claim also while I'm here...
    yake82 wrote: »
    First i realize that Molten Armaments critical bonus doesnt work.
    I was in my tank gear, 0% critical chance, and using Molten Armaments i still didnt score any critical hits.

    Oh, I just retested this on PTS and with 0% critical chance and using molten Armaments I was getting crits. You need to remember that the crit bonus from Molten Armaments only works on basic weapon attacks and only for 6 seconds.


    Seriously guys, it took me 5 minutes to determine all three of these claims were false, don't you test the claims before posting them?
    Edited by Mystborn on June 15, 2014 3:50PM
  • Bromburak
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    Mystborn wrote: »

    Umm DK skills do work in combination with Elemental Drain. I just retested on the PTS and Fiery Grip, Searing Strike, and Lava Whip all gave me 19 Magicka back when used against a target with Elemental Drain on it.

    That is actually a bug because the impact to ardent flame is not intentional.
    One reason why Ardent passives with impact on staff has been corrected as well.
    Edited by Bromburak on June 15, 2014 5:28PM
  • yake82
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    I think i get it now...

    Might of the Guild works on class skills but not on the destruction and restoration staff skills because these skills are not spells but abilities, while class skills are spells.
    Molten Armaments works only on light and heavy attacks but not on weapon skills because they are not weapon attacks but abilities.

    Right...


    I have Foundry Tactical Combat and Combat Log Statistics, both updated.
    Neither is showing any magicka being restored by Elemental Drain. Nor i see it have any effect to my magicka bar.
    So i really dont know what to say here anymore.
  • Mystborn
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    Bromburak wrote: »
    Mystborn wrote: »

    Umm DK skills do work in combination with Elemental Drain. I just retested on the PTS and Fiery Grip, Searing Strike, and Lava Whip all gave me 19 Magicka back when used against a target with Elemental Drain on it.

    That is actually a bug because the impact to ardent flame is not intentional.
    One reason why Ardent passives with impact on staff has been corrected as well.

    You say it's not intentional but what do you base that on?
  • Bromburak
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    Might of the Guild works on class skills but not on the destruction and restoration staff skills because these skills are not spells but abilities, while class skills are spells.

    Yes, and as I mentioned before you lose the buff on any attack though.
    It means you get nothing if you trigger the passive with Mage guild ability and then use a weapon skill right after.
    Mystborn wrote: »
    You say it's not intentional but what do you base that on?

    Zenimax statements, what else?

    Do you guys actually read patch notes, AmA , road ahead etc. because this is like having deja vu when starting all over again and again in every single thread?
    Edited by Bromburak on June 15, 2014 7:04PM
  • yake82
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    If it just was magicka = spell, stamina = weapon attack, it would be simple.

    But Zenimax has spells, abilities and weapon attacks.

    I find this poor game design.
  • Cogo
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    Blackwidow wrote: »
    DireKit wrote: »
    Blackwidow wrote: »
    DireKit wrote: »
    Hurr.

    I think someone is stalking me. :)


    HOW DID YOU FIND THE TRACKING CHIP?!

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    I can't blame you. I'm adorable. :D

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  • Dusty5
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    From day 1 broken game is broken. Dumping new things and nerfs that are broken does not fix the old broken stuff. Or as the old people say putting lipstick on a pig its still a pig. At this point not even bacon could fix this SNAFU. B)
  • Mystborn
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    Bromburak wrote: »
    Mystborn wrote: »
    You say it's not intentional but what do you base that on?

    Zenimax statements, what else?

    Do you guys actually read patch notes, AmA , road ahead etc. because this is like having deja vu when starting all over again and again in every single thread?

    Source/Link please. I read the patch notes and don't see anything saying Elemental Drain shouldn't work with class skills, the tooltip doesn't say anything about it not working with class skills, and lo and behold - it works with class skills!

    Working as intended!
  • glitchmaster999
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    Mystborn wrote: »
    ArRashid wrote: »

    Might of the Guild always provides 10% boost. Regardless if you put one or two skill points there. So yeah, pretty much 2nd skill point does nothing instead of giving another 10% buff..

    Not true, I just retested on PTS and my test char's Solar Flare did 404 with no MotG, 426 with 1/2 MotG and 448 with 2/2 MotG.


    Bromburak wrote: »

    So why did you try DK skills in combination with Elemental drain?
    Just to get a well known confirmation that it wont work? I don't see the sense behind , testing things that are not supported anyways!

    Umm DK skills do work in combination with Elemental Drain. I just retested on the PTS and Fiery Grip, Searing Strike, and Lava Whip all gave me 19 Magicka back when used against a target with Elemental Drain on it.

    EDIT: might as well debunk this false claim also while I'm here...
    yake82 wrote: »
    First i realize that Molten Armaments critical bonus doesnt work.
    I was in my tank gear, 0% critical chance, and using Molten Armaments i still didnt score any critical hits.

    Oh, I just retested this on PTS and with 0% critical chance and using molten Armaments I was getting crits. You need to remember that the crit bonus from Molten Armaments only works on basic weapon attacks and only for 6 seconds.


    Seriously guys, it took me 5 minutes to determine all three of these claims were false, don't you test the claims before posting them?

    Two of them are in known issues... they work but not like they should and its inconsistent, especially might of the guild
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