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Surprise Weapon + Night Mother's Gaze (set) = 60% armor reduction

Suntzu1414
is this correct? do they stack.

since we automatically crit with shadowy disguise (100% critical).
this should be automatic buff. If we follow SD with Surprise Weapon...

thoughts?
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  • smercgames_ESO
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    I know they stack somehow because I've used Ransack + Surprise Weapon + Mark Target and each one gave me bigger numbers when stacked but I do not think it's a straight 60% because that would mean if we toss on Mark Target + Surprise attack we negate ALL of their armor. It would be nice if we could get them into negative armor though
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  • yelloweyedemon
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    I know they stack somehow because I've used Ransack + Surprise Weapon + Mark Target and each one gave me bigger numbers when stacked but I do not think it's a straight 60% because that would mean if we toss on Mark Target + Surprise attack we negate ALL of their armor. It would be nice if we could get them into negative armor though

    No. Mark target IGNORES 75% of the targets armour. surp attack and night mother's set reduces it by 60%.

    It means that we ignore 75% from the remaining 40%
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  • Suntzu1414
    Ok. Thank you for your input.

    How does Reducing Armor increase DPS?

    Is armor a 50% mitigation ? (with full armor) -- saw this somewhere before--

    So, as example. If we DPS for 1000 damage
    Normal Armor would mitigate this to 500 damage

    Now we used our----Surprise Weapon + Night Mother's Gaze
    -reducing the benefit of armor (500 * 60%) or 300

    This would pop our damage up to 800.

    Does this seem correct??

    thoughts.
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  • Rizcarn
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    Was testing reaper's mark(mark target), ignore 75% of player's Armor and Spell Resistance, with pierce armor(puncture) ,reduces target's Armor and spell resist by 43%. Wasn't seeing a increase in damage beyond mark targets 75%. Even stacking mark target after puncture the increase wasn't that big. Have to wonder what the hard cap for reduction is. Could be 50% like resist and armor for all I know.
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  • Thechemicals
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    Rizcarn wrote: »
    Was testing reaper's mark(mark target), ignore 75% of player's Armor and Spell Resistance, with pierce armor(puncture) ,reduces target's Armor and spell resist by 43%. Wasn't seeing a increase in damage beyond mark targets 75%. Even stacking mark target after puncture the increase wasn't that big. Have to wonder what the hard cap for reduction is. Could be 50% like resist and armor for all I know.

    Like reducing into the negatives? The defense cap is 50% and if you reduce a players armor to where he has no mitigation at all then he is at zero. I dont think you can reduce armor that he doesnt have further to make him become susceptible to more damage. Thats like making his skin soft lol.
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  • Rizcarn
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    Naw, not what I was saying. Was seeing a hard cap on armor reduction. Above 75% was getting no more extra damage and between 43% and 75% the increase was minimal. What the hard cap is I don't know.
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  • Frinkles
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    Suntzu1414 wrote: »
    Ok. Thank you for your input.

    How does Reducing Armor increase DPS?

    Is armor a 50% mitigation ? (with full armor) -- saw this somewhere before--

    So, as example. If we DPS for 1000 damage
    Normal Armor would mitigate this to 500 damage

    Now we used our----Surprise Weapon + Night Mother's Gaze
    -reducing the benefit of armor (500 * 60%) or 300

    This would pop our damage up to 800.

    Does this seem correct??

    thoughts.
    st

    You are right but the increase isn't as direct nor as massive as you, and I believe we all thought like this at some point... and.. its not a bug :( Here is the explanation:

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/985417/#Comment_
    985417

    Even if you decrease a target's armor to near 0 you won't be seeing a dps increase greater than 10~% What makes heavy armor tanky is not the armor value but the passives >.<
    Edited by Frinkles on June 15, 2014 7:38AM
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