From what I hear Veteran Content is worse then the grind from 1-50. I imagine it was tacked on very late in development to justify end-game content. What's funny is if they allowed the other races to pvp each other and not phase them out, it would have made Veteran Content more appealing and easier to grind.

Veteran Content is simply a stop gap measure placed inside the game to give them time to get Cragfail on Live.

Which apparently didn't work as intended

NiRN wrote: »

Level 40 and bored? Wait until you start the loooong VR grind.

Well after I read that, I just unsubscribed lol. This game needs a lot more help to make it engaging. I also hate that every player I pass is a Vampire. Really? Underworld MMO now? I guess it did not bug me as much as the combat being boring and slow lol.

NiRN wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

NiRN wrote: »

Level 40 and bored? Wait until you start the loooong VR grind.

Well after I read that, I just unsubscribed lol. This game needs a lot more help to make it engaging. I also hate that every player I pass is a Vampire. Really? Underworld MMO now? I guess it did not bug me as much as the combat being boring and slow lol.

The VR grind has that affect on many. I almost lost my will around VR7 but managed to push on.

What grind? Oh, you mean those quests you don't bother to listen to or ask questions about and just run around trying to push to max level as fast as possible?

This is pretty much the least grindy MMO I ever played. So far I must have done several hundred quests and I think there was just one which asked me to kill EIGHT (gasp) critters!

Compare that to "kill 30 X and 20 Y and bring me 15 Z for which of course you will need to kill another 50 F" - that's grindy.

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Especially overwhelming are all those copy&paste dungeons and houses,
where you always ask yourself: have I been here before?

The console-oriented UI and the just 5 Combatskills make it even
more boring. Coming from EQ2 with maybe ~40 Skills (well not
all were usefull) I could use depending on the aktual situation
I feel somehow crippled. I don't like preselecting skills for an
opponent after dying and finding out what I need in this fight.
I prefer to make a decision "on the fly" especially when playing
a healer. BTW playing healer is boring too, because you can't
play tactically. The great thing about a healer in games like
EQ2 was, that you could not just react to damage and hope
that the heal hits the person you want it to hit.. you could
heal a target, buff another, shield another and do this BEFORE
the fight.. leaving you much more possibilities and tactical freedom.
It is sad that healing has become so dull since GW2.

Azarul wrote: »

LexonLightbringer wrote: »

I imagine it was tacked on very late in development to justify end-game content.

Wasn't done to be end game content. Was done because of the outcry from gamers over not being able to see the other areas. Saying this game was to restrictive, not enough open world. Now they all complain about having to go through it. Lol, just cant win as a game developer.

Valid complaint I think, but that didn't mean the VR levels had to be implemented in the God-awful Asian-grindfest way they have been where mobs have insane health and defense simply as a huge time-sink to level up and the XP bar barely moves from one day to the next: that isn't fun, it's entirely demotivational.

Sharee wrote: »

If you are bored, try something new.

A nightblade does not have to be a sneaky assassin.
A sorcerer does not have to be a robe-clad staff-wielder

On my NB, i went from DW assassin to healer to archer to tank and back to DW assassin. Heavy armor/siphoning, light armor/destro staff, etc.etc.

This is definitely one of the games strengths.

KerinKor wrote: »

Valid complaint I think, but that didn't mean the VR levels had to be implemented in the God-awful Asian-grindfest way they have been where mobs have insane health and defense simply as a huge time-sink to level up and the XP bar barely moves from one day to the next: that isn't fun, it's entirely demotivational.

When DAoC was released some 12 years ago you had an XP bar that had levels and 10 balls (each for 10% xp to next level). It was absolutely NORMAL that you logged out after 4 hours of stupid mashing all the same mobs over and over for 2-3 balls to next level!
Theres been a lot of changes over the last 12 years in how MMOs were made "faster". In DAoC nowadays you can be max Level in a week or maybe 10 days. They even took out the leveling of equipment (special artefact equipment items could be leveled 10 times to unlock features on them). All for the "it's so demotivational" community that plays games nowadays.
Whereas there is a growing playerbase that would like to have a "max-level-npc" they can click on right after logging on, there also is a bunch of people who actually likes progressing a bit more slowly.
There are people who think the way is the goal - in contrary to the "endgame content" players.

jircris11 wrote: »

I love how people are unable to make a game fun on their own anymore. Now everything must be handed to them and scripted. I am leveling my 2nd character atm due to a nice bug on my main, and honestly i just killed mobs to lvl to now i'm about to take my sweet time in leveling. Those who rush to cap will find the game boring, but if you pace your self and find things to do on your own...such as and im not kidding skyrim up a mountain. did that today and it was quite funny...sadly getting down did not go as well.

Mental laziness. If it's not handholding and doesn't do everything for you, it's not a good game. that's why you see mediocre games getting better scores and more players than good ones

Gaudrath wrote: »

Zorak wrote: »

Okay, you are right. Grind is different than questing.


But that doesn't change the fact that this game is VERY BORING. Even with all the dungeons, veteran dungeons and PvP...it is too boring.

Some grindy MMOs are even less boring than this game. (imho)


"Oh, you mean those quests you don't bother to listen to or ask questions about and just run around trying to push to max level as fast as possible?"

Oh, those repetitive quests with lots of generic NPCs that looks almost identical to each other, except for the different hair/hats or clothes ? (especially at EB areas)

I got bored and stopped paying attention to them.

Pushing to the max level as fast as possible ??

I've reached VR3, got bored and stopped questing.

=(

Well, this game may simply not be your cup of tea as far as the basic setting goes.

Or even the basic premise - Elder Scrolls games were always big on immersion - if you can't immerse yourself in the game world it probably does become overwhelming. And if you do content too fast and consequently do not pay attention to it, it can become repetitive because it all blurs together. Like an action movie with too much action.

For me, it's like reading a good book, I always listen to quest NPCs because 90% of the time the voice acting is superb and it gives a lot to the immersion. I always ask follow up questions because I want to know more about the quest I am going to do.

And so far I don't remember seeing repetitive quests. Yes, there are many quests where you have to deal with the restless dead or daedra or local bandits/rebels/whatnot. But the quests themselves? Always different.

It's like fantasy books, you could say that each and every one of them is basically the same story. And yet people keep reading them. Variation, that's what counts. Putting a different spin on the same old tune.

I am VR1 now, and still enjoying myself as on the first day of early access - I even walk around all the time, artwork and ambience in this game are superb and you can't properly appreciate the details if you zip around all the time. Looking forward to seeing the rest of Tamriel.

So what you have sounds like classic burnout. Slow down, smell the flowers. Fish. Take a walk through the virtual woods. You might find the game is more enjoyable that way.

P.S. And no, I don't have unlimited amounts of free time on my hands, so it's not that.

Interesting thing, I've played Oblivion and Skyrim and I've loved them !

But this game feels SO repetitive to me. =(

Voice acting is repetitive, some of the NPCs are too generic and almost identical to each other.

I personally find the ambience and artwork nice, but not superb.

But tbh I think you are right. I really do think this game is boring, but it got worse because I think I've got burnout.

Zorak wrote: »

Interesting thing, I've played Oblivion and Skyrim and I've loved them !

But this game feels SO repetitive to me. =(

I would guess that's because this game is absolutely huge, content-wise, compared to both Oblivion and Skyrim. I think you get more individual quests per province than you had in entire Skyrim (ofc, many are smaller in scope).

Plus, both those games were more sandboxy - you could really mess around in there with stuff. And then there were mods, don't know if you used them, I used them and made them and that kept things fresh too.

I always played ES games for immersion. Most of which I provide myself. I try to play as if I am there. I walk when not in combat or a tense situation. I make my character eat and drink regularly. I stretch and excersize after "waking up" and always find a good camping spot before logging out. I strip my armor off if I need to swim across water, then fight in my breeches if I have to.
Then I go back to where I "left" my armor.
I walk around thorny bushes. It's like a minigame in itself, having to watch where you step.

It's a different approach to gaming, one that I know wouldn't be as fun to everyone - but I think I would be bored of the game too if all I did was questing and completing stuff like skyshards and achievements. As I said, there is so much of it that it would blend together and, like cramming yourself with too much fine foods, it would all just turn into average-tasting mush.

Real connoisseurs sample things slowly.

Vaerth wrote: »

I just hit level 40, and I have found combat slow paced and kind of boring. The world if nothing short of beautiful, but over all this game has me bored. Animation of attacks feel weak, everyone is PvP is a SwordnBoard Vampire, and the combat, as I mentioned, is very dull. Weapons are for the most part lame. Daedric armor was an insult, and in general everything but the enviroment is not any fun to look at. Some armors are ok, but this MMO is the most beautiful bore I have every played.

Hoping for something at Veteran ranks that is fun?

I feel the exact same way. The world is absolutely stunning in detail. Just watching the dragon knight heart heal is amazing and you see how much ESO performs in its own league in regard to details and a beautiful world.

The thing is, I want to stick around and stare at this beautiful place, except I'm bored senseless and don't want to sign in just to quest and fight, quest and fight. Life is too short. ESO is so repetitive and tedious that I have stopped a few times and wondered if it's actually a game. I know that's harsh but it's the truth. ESO sometimes feels more like I'm organizing stuff, clicking buttons to craft or somesuch boring unintellectual thing, anything rather than actually gaming.

I have a lot of fun in games where I feel powerful. Because I'm often a solo player or play with one other person, ESO is not really a friendly game. It seems more like a group game without an organized grouping system, which is a real shame.

Boring quests, no dueling, no housing, the shop has hardly anything in it, etc. Testing in the PTS in Craglorn on V12, it's all the same thing as when you're level 12 but just different scenery, monsters and stories. In other games you have variation of activities. Here, not so, which is why it is boring.

The worst part about ESO (sorry, ZOS, just being honest here), it takes forever to get to end game, if that's supposedly where it's at. So long, in fact, that I'm pretty sure I'll never get there unless I'm given a free ride in beta testing. That's part of the problem too, is lack of access to the game. I feel like the game is something you play when you hit higher rank, like then you become the werewolf or vampire. Then you PvP. Then you do this that and the other thing. If life is too short to make it there, what exactly does ESO offer?

The answer to that last question, based on my observations here, is usually "great quests". With all due respect to the grand work that is ESO and all the amazing effort and creativity put into this groundbreaking graphical beauty of an MMO, it doesn't have much to offer yet, at least at lower levels, in terms of content. It's crazy too, that such an enormous game with so much in it, could still feel like it has nothing much in it.