Looking at my from my view, its kinda excited as well as daunting to realize that I just got to v1 and its gonna take nearly as much quests/ zones to get to v5 and then on to v

I mean I honestly could have hit 50 alot faster, but even taking my sweet time and listening to most of the quests dialogue and exploring and stuff, i mean less then a month to 50, I need something to keep me going.

So I don't think its bad to have a higher cap.

1 VR level might take as along as 10 regular levels to pass, but does not make you 10 levels more powerful. It's closer to making you 1 level stronger per each VR level you gain.
Just as an example - at VR1 you can get a weapon that does 102 damage, a VR10 weapon will do 127-130ish. That's less than 30% increase. Similar to the difference between a lvl 16 and a lvl 24 weapon.

Also definitely not all PvE players want to level up in the blink of a eye just to repeat the same dungeons and raid events over and over and over forever. That's more of a FPS mentality.

I personally am story-driven and do dungeons once and move on, unless a friend needs help. I am glad there is enough content to keep me playing 2+ months lvl1-VR10, instead of getting to max level in a couple of weeks.

Being max level should mean something, and should take time and effort. Ideally the game should be designed so when you are a lvl 5 newbie and see a VR player they should inspire "awe" and give you something to aim for, instead of thinking "Meh, I will be there next week."

I do wish there was some scaling mechanic where if you are in a group, you could either get beefed up when playing with higher level players, or they get "weakened" to your level, while both you and them get drops appropriate for their real level.

They will nerf it once subscriptions start to dwindle. Until then I'll enjoy the actual challenge of the Vet levels. I've stopped playing other MMORPGs because of the sole focus of endgame content. Once the nerfs hit I'll stop and head back to Dark Souls 2.

tdgeddesub17_ESO wrote: »

They needed something to take up the time till crag came out, but they knew if they nerfed it so soon that the players who made it to 10 would be pissed. So now we are in interim, waiting for a nerf to vr level xp. By we, I mean people who don't want to grind 170 levels of xp. It's ok if yall like that, we all have our opinions. At least agree that VR rank should be beneficial, yet optional.

It really has nothing to do with the XP. The entire VR level mechanic came in to being because the game was originally designed to have 3 races per faction and you were tied to that faction. A large number of TES single player vets and PvE vets complained that they would be missing out on 2/3 of the content if they were allowed to only play one faction without having to create alts.

The 50+ and 50++ (Cadwell's Silver and Gold) were put into place to allow players to experience the other faction content without having to create alts. The system is built around gaining about 1 level per zone. Doing all the quests, delves, anchors, and bosses will get you almost exactly 1 level per zone.

I wouldn't count on them changing the XP too much. It defeats the purpose if you can hit VR10 after going through 4 zones of PvE. Of course, you can always level from doing PvP, VR dungeons, etc, but you will still need to go through the main quests lines of Silver and Gold to advance.

For the record, my personal opinion was that they should have kept the 3 races per faction and kept the other alliance areas off limits to your character. If you wanted to experience the other 2, than create an alt. Don't force those of us that don't like to quest to have to go through 10 more zones of quests.

The main issue I think and tend to agree with is on the PVP front. The disparity between VR1 and VR10 is too great. It should be closer aligned with some advantage offered on the top end of the bell curve.

Having an additional 100 levels of PVE content to quest through I don't see as an inherent negative. I do think it's an issue to ask PVPers to go through that because to them it comes off as a grind. They're forced to go through the content just so they can be competitive in PVP. I have a suggestion (since flattening the power between VR1 - VR10 is prob not going to happen) and it comes from DaoC. Tier the campaigns. Make 1-49 a tier. 1-3 Vet, 4-6, 7-9, and 10.

For those that actually enjoy the PVE content I find it harder to understand the issue. All I get from that side of the complaint is that it takes too long to finish the game. And I find that mentality in an MMORPG a shame. Just my opinion.

If they are going to just keep adding VR's it's going to be utterly even more tedious and boring than it is already. I'm only vet rank 4 and the thought of VR 12, 15 etc. just makes me sick. LOTRO kept adding levels etc. and it just killed it for me. I hate to be a doom and gloomer, I enjoy playing and the game but stop with the dangling carrot methods.
I like to feel a sense of finishing something and continuously adding levels before the core game is even fixed and solid is just a big sign that says... $$$$ GRAB!
To heck with craglorn, fix your game first and polish it up so you can finish quests. The exploiters and bots are laughing at you ZOS. I have 4 days left of my first month.

Mothanos wrote: »

Oh and new Veteran Ranks incomming lawl.......not even a month after release.
This is lazy game design..sorry to cry about this people
I am althoholic

Craglorn is all new content though with the Vet Ranks coming. How is that lazy game design?

Now doing the quests from 1-50 again? I guess I see your point. But what's the alternative? You obviously can do AoE grinding like many people have been doing. That got them to 50 pretty quick. There's the Skyshards and quests you need to do for skill points, but not sure how any of this is any different from any other MMO. In fact you have a longer leveling curve in ESO than any other recent MMORPG has had at launch. That curve is filled with quests to do and not just grinding mobs. This whole thing I just don't see it. I most certainly don't see how this is lazy design.

Would it be lazy design if they just said no factions, do all the quests and then choose a faction when you hit Cyrodiil? How about if they removed vet ranks and said their game had 150 levels?

Not sure what the point of all this is or why there's a problem. It seems the major issue is that the vet ranks need to go away, so your alts don't experience the same content? Why does that matter? So you can 'finish' the game faster on one character and move on to 'finishing' the game on another character faster as well? Regardless, what's your /played because if you've been doing vet rank content on two characters and actually legit on doing the quests too....holy crap that's impressive. Seriously. That's a TON of playtime. I'm over 10 days /played clearing every zone I've run into on ONE character and I'm Vet rank 3.

I had a bit of an epiphany. Now don't quote me on this I could be totally wrong but here is my guess.
We get a new tier in the crafting professions for every 5 skill levels meaning at 40 we can make items for vet levels 9 and 10. That leaves us with only two more tiers available to us, tiers 10 and 11. Now assuming that ZOS don't plan to change their skill system and bump the max skill level to over 50 that means presumably we only really have 4-6 'levels' of gear left to be crafted. It has been stated a few times in-game that the best gear you can get your hands on (aside from specific bonuses) will be the crafted stuff so I can only assume we're going to max out at somewhere between vr14 and vr16 probably vr15.
That is unless they decide to simply overcharge that final tier and once you've hit 50 you can simply make all the gear that's ever released but to me that seems rather a silly way to go given it would put HUGE demand on those final tier materials.

At first i thought Vet ranks were going to be really cool. But now that i am level 49 and have put almost 6 days time played on my templar, i'm starting to not like the idea as much. I think when you hit 50 the endgame should start, I shouldn't have to run through all the other factions questing zones, this totally ruins it if i want to run a character on that faction later and to be completely honest, it's lazy game design in my opinion. At most i could see this as an example. I am Daggerfall Covenant, fist area of Aldmeri Dominion is Vet ranks 1-5, first area of Ebonheart Pact is 5-10. Something like that would be so much more reasonable.

Another thing I dislike greatly is the increase with Vet Ranks when new content comes out. This makes me not want to level another character. Because as soon at I hit the max level and get comfortable with the content, something new will emerge (Which from what i have heard they are planning to release fresh content every 4 weeks? Correct me if i am wrong!) That is *** amazing if that's true. But I don't want to have to continue leveling over and over again just top be at par with fresh content. The minimum I would like to see it, is leave it at vet 10 I will grind through all the other factions content. I just dont want to keep leveling and leveling!

There are so many things wrong with this mmo.....
Sure you can ignore all the red flags and think its ll fine and dandy and we are just whining spoiled kids stamping their feet.

ESO -40% off sales already happening 2 months post launch, if that isnt a red flag for you then you need a reality check.

Guilds with 200+ members were 15 people are online at prime time is another one.

9 Cyrodill campaigns empty maybe another sign ?

Veteran design are a death march, a system to slow us down for Zenimax to create more contend.
You like this ? good for you.
But for tons of folks its a lazy ass game decision that brings up endless hours of pure torture.

Its boring generic questing for days and weeks on end, and nothing inbetween to have fun.
Thats why there are people burning trough this mmo or leaving after getting a taste of how horrible this part of the game is designed.

Not to mention how shallow this mmo is, how the classes are designed.
Seriously why have classes at all if you implement new veteran ranks every 4 weeks ?
Why dint they just removed the classes to begin with if you keep increasing those agonizing veteren levels each patch ?

There is many things wrong with this mmo.....
Zenimax made tons of weird design choices that makes people facepalm and walk away from this game.
Not even going to list all of it as most people that are left now are prolly the fanboys or people that still have hope it could turn around.

This mmo is going trough a rough time already, and thats even without some real compitition.
Wait till Warlords of Dreanor / Archeage / Black Desert are going to be released this year and the next and you can already gues that the already diminished playerbase is shrinking to a extremely small playerbase.

You can whiteknight this mmo untill the end of time, many people did so in Warhammer online 1 day before it needed to closed down it doors.
Fact remains that ESO is not going to be making the profits needed to sustain a healthy team of developers.

The only carrot they have left is their 4 / 6 week patches and even that was already 5 weeks behind shedule, not to mention that Craglorn should have been in the game since Launch.

I have a few days left on my sub and waited for a wonder....
Well it came alright, but it wasnt ESO it was Archeage.

VR quests are not difficult, but boring, and repetitive.

It also ruin the chance to pay an alt in a different faction.