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I want to shoot fireballs through rocks and kill things just like NPCs
GunemCleric
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Not Really.
Seriously though, is no one else bothered by the total lack of anything remotely resembling cover. I am cool with arrows/fireballs going around corners (magic), but i have a problem with *through* the corners.
I do not expect to be able to duck behind a wall and hold my staff over the top and blind fire (but that would be very funny to see), but if i duck behind a stone bridge or jump into some water then the fireball should not be the same (i am picking on fireballs, but goes for everything)
I would say something about fireballs and being hit through water specifically (or jumping in water having no effect on fire even non-magic fire like from siege engines), but I will mark that up to magic.
I am used to games where a tree, rock, castle, ..., mountain can act at as cover from missiles/spells (within reason) or can create a blast shadow. If I run around a rock I should have a little relief. If my face has enough mass to absorb a fireball I would think that 20,000kg chunk of granite should at least reduce the fireball, or maybe a 6000kg mammoth carcass.
Note, it is *not* so much the reduction of damage that bothers me, but the lack of richness/realism that comes with battling (PvP or PvE) around obstacles and irritation that I have to walk around a house to kill some trash mob (that i overlooked due to disinterest) who is pecking at me with his fire stick.
I have been playing since early access and still find myself trying to use cover sometimes.
Of course there is a damage concern in vet and pvp, as being hit for 2-5k through a wall by an unseen mob is irritating.
I did not put in CS as I am not convinced it is a bug so much as a faulty mechanic, or maybe cover is too difficult a concept for the average player.
Seriously though, is no one else bothered by the total lack of anything remotely resembling cover. I am cool with arrows/fireballs going around corners (magic), but i have a problem with *through* the corners.
I do not expect to be able to duck behind a wall and hold my staff over the top and blind fire (but that would be very funny to see), but if i duck behind a stone bridge or jump into some water then the fireball should not be the same (i am picking on fireballs, but goes for everything)
I would say something about fireballs and being hit through water specifically (or jumping in water having no effect on fire even non-magic fire like from siege engines), but I will mark that up to magic.
I am used to games where a tree, rock, castle, ..., mountain can act at as cover from missiles/spells (within reason) or can create a blast shadow. If I run around a rock I should have a little relief. If my face has enough mass to absorb a fireball I would think that 20,000kg chunk of granite should at least reduce the fireball, or maybe a 6000kg mammoth carcass.
Note, it is *not* so much the reduction of damage that bothers me, but the lack of richness/realism that comes with battling (PvP or PvE) around obstacles and irritation that I have to walk around a house to kill some trash mob (that i overlooked due to disinterest) who is pecking at me with his fire stick.
I have been playing since early access and still find myself trying to use cover sometimes.
Of course there is a damage concern in vet and pvp, as being hit for 2-5k through a wall by an unseen mob is irritating.
I did not put in CS as I am not convinced it is a bug so much as a faulty mechanic, or maybe cover is too difficult a concept for the average player.
Gunerm Cleric ~ Dragon Knight, Tank ~ vr14
Cruleg Nimec ~ Dragon Knight, DPS ~ vr14
Gunem Cleric ~ Templar, Heals ~ vr3
Cleric Gunem ~ Sorcerer, TBD ~ vr1
Daggerfall Covenant (only) ~ NA
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GunemCleric✭✭✭completely missing what you are talking about there @kewl, please enlighten me
...or did you read the post at all?Edited by GunemCleric on June 11, 2014 8:20PMGunerm Cleric ~ Dragon Knight, Tank ~ vr14Cruleg Nimec ~ Dragon Knight, DPS ~ vr14Gunem Cleric ~ Templar, Heals ~ vr3Cleric Gunem ~ Sorcerer, TBD ~ vr1Daggerfall Covenant (only) ~ NAGuts n Glory & Guts n Glory EOC ~ Guildmaster ~ GnG ~ MMO Dark GuildDaggerfall Cosa Nostra ~ Founder ~ DCN ~ DC guild leaders only (no cross faction PvP guilds)0 -
GunemCleric wrote: »completely missing what you are talking about there @kewl, please enlighten me
...or did you read the post at all?
I think what he is trying to say is that your ambitions are really lofty. Or that he really wants a fancy houseboat with a helicopter. Not sure.
Edited by magickats242cub18_ESO on June 11, 2014 8:46PM2 -
AreoHotah✭✭✭✭i agree, i sometimes think it's the most stupid thing in game.
i'ts even more stupid it's in a 2014 game, that has the name of an AAA title.Hota'h, Dual-wield/bow full medium armor NB Khajiit from day 1.
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GunemCleric✭✭✭magickats242cub18_ESO wrote: »No, simply because if you were given that ability, there would be an endless influx of NPCs coming to the forums and demand for your character to be nerfed. Then in aGunemCleric wrote: »completely missing what you are talking about there @kewl, please enlighten me
...or did you read the post at all?
I think what he is trying to say is that your ambitions are really lofty. Or that he really wants a fancy houseboat with a helicopter. Not sure.
If that is what he is saying then fair enough i suppose. I would like to hear the NPC's position on cover because the v9-v12 NPCs/mobs have nothing whine about. I guess I liked being able to angle an object between me and say a dragon in Skyrim and having reduced damage for example.
The house boat, helipad,...., is ugly, no offense, just no order, like a low class millionaire's attempt to be cool.
Edited by GunemCleric on June 11, 2014 8:54PMGunerm Cleric ~ Dragon Knight, Tank ~ vr14Cruleg Nimec ~ Dragon Knight, DPS ~ vr14Gunem Cleric ~ Templar, Heals ~ vr3Cleric Gunem ~ Sorcerer, TBD ~ vr1Daggerfall Covenant (only) ~ NAGuts n Glory & Guts n Glory EOC ~ Guildmaster ~ GnG ~ MMO Dark GuildDaggerfall Cosa Nostra ~ Founder ~ DCN ~ DC guild leaders only (no cross faction PvP guilds)1 -
LOL
ya they have to fix collision system to include weapons and spells
locking a arrow on a target and turn a 180 and shoot and have the arrow do a 180 and hit the monster behind you kinda beaks the immersion and gameplay
same goes for ducking for cover and the NPC shoot thru boulders, rocks and anything else
taking cover is a basic thing that should be allowed - corners walls crates, buildings should all block everything
and no way should a fireball wind it's way or an arrow around corners or thru a maze to hit a target
let alone go thru a solid object like it has no mass
went you shoot an arrow shouldn't it fly straight and true - even if the target moves and you miss because they dodge...that's the nature of missle weapons you can miss
they way it is now - it brain dead
you shoot and it finds it target even if it moves or goes behind coverEdited by ttwinklerub17_ESO on June 11, 2014 9:00PM1 -
Clutch✭✭✭GunemCleric wrote: »magickats242cub18_ESO wrote: »No, simply because if you were given that ability, there would be an endless influx of NPCs coming to the forums and demand for your character to be nerfed. Then in aGunemCleric wrote: »completely missing what you are talking about there @kewl, please enlighten me
...or did you read the post at all?
I think what he is trying to say is that your ambitions are really lofty. Or that he really wants a fancy houseboat with a helicopter. Not sure.
If that is what he is saying then fair enough i suppose. I would like to hear the NPC's position on cover because the v9-v12 NPCs/mobs have nothing whine about. I guess I liked being able to angle an object between me and say a dragon in Skyrim and having reduced damage for example.
The house boat, helipad,...., is ugly, no offense, just no order, like a low class millionaire's attempt to be cool.
It is finicky but you can line of sight mobs at least, it's just not quite there.0 -
kaosodin✭✭✭✭Thag helipad......I wouodnfeel better with 2 support beams at the end of the helipad.
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kimboh✭✭✭✭I often find myself stupidly trying to take cover behind a wall.Status: offline<l Cygnus X|VR14|Sorc l><| Romulus Prime|VR12|Temp |><| Qwoptus |lvl30|DK|><| DC|EU |>1 -
Noctisse✭✭✭I often find myself stupidly trying to take cover behind a wall.
That's not stupid at all...it's a natural reaction you can't just shake off!
Whenever I accidentally run into a larger group of enemies, I also find myself instinctively getting behind cover (a massive boulder, or wall) to avoid getting hit by their projectile attacks while I take on the approaching melee targets...
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