tanks are not needed in ESO currently

hope a fix comes soon.

chaseman245 wrote: »

So i recently hit v12 on my Orc DK Tank. Trying to get myself into trial groups to tank. Recently i was told that my "stats are too low". They may be considering I am only in full purple armor v8+, and not all of my armor increases my HP (imo you need some magicka/stamina to hold aggro). Currently i am overcharged in max HP, armor and hp recovery. I have 2357 health unbuffed, 2036 armor unbuffed and 1801 spell resist unbuffed. Now I know these have room to increase w/ better armor, but not much if they are already overcharged. I was told that he/she was looking for a tank with 3000-3500 hp and 3500 armor. Are these actually able to be reached w/o food and class buffs?

For other tanks, what are your stats like? Which armor set (if any) are you using or working towards? I was thinking the Shalidor's Curse set may be pretty useful.

Im a scorc tank, you health is fine, you have higher stats then mine. But on thing too look at increasing health regin. My magic regin is 100 and my health regin base is 74, and with ring of preservation(group buff) increase health regin too one thing like 80, increase amour/ spell resit/ deadra/ undead/ WW resit by 500 it helps over all. However the whispmother is doing too much damage right now cuz of frost breath.

You can reach those amour values, but only for about 8 seconds and it depletes your resources greatly. Also depending on the attack type 3k amour will not even help. Example is frost breath at 40 stat reduction+20 blocking reduction I was still getting hot for 1900 for each breath no one can take that damage.

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

chaseman245 wrote: »

So i recently hit v12 on my Orc DK Tank. Trying to get myself into trial groups to tank. Recently i was told that my "stats are too low". They may be considering I am only in full purple armor v8+, and not all of my armor increases my HP (imo you need some magicka/stamina to hold aggro). Currently i am overcharged in max HP, armor and hp recovery. I have 2357 health unbuffed, 2036 armor unbuffed and 1801 spell resist unbuffed. Now I know these have room to increase w/ better armor, but not much if they are already overcharged. I was told that he/she was looking for a tank with 3000-3500 hp and 3500 armor. Are these actually able to be reached w/o food and class buffs?

For other tanks, what are your stats like? Which armor set (if any) are you using or working towards? I was thinking the Shalidor's Curse set may be pretty useful.

If your wearing heavy armor , orc, dk, that is the issue. currently the true tank archtype as you have built is undesireable. sure you could increase those stats with some VR 12 crafted. at the end of the day the game is highly imbalanced towards health and stamina builds. I am essentialy the same build though my stats are higher with Mundus and glyphs with food im at about 3100 hp Armor i dont recall but i know im near 350 point over cap.
I have recently re rolled to sorc tank in all honesty all the nerfs to Dk actually hit the tank specs harder then that over overpowered dress and stick spec.

Scorc tank can be hard depending on how you do it, stamina based scor tanks are vary hard too manage because of how expensive defensive skills are over all. Heavy amour doesn't help that fact either.

Magic based tanking is easier too mange because your stamina as support rather then magic.


DKs did get hit hard however it always nice too have two tanks. DK can be main tank but because of the nerfs damage abilities are a no no now. DK tanks have too tank now they can't just put half Their effort I to the "tank" roll.

Scorc tanks can't be nerfed. They would have too nerf like 3 different skill lines

chaseman245 wrote: »

So i recently hit v12 on my Orc DK Tank. Trying to get myself into trial groups to tank. Recently i was told that my "stats are too low". They may be considering I am only in full purple armor v8+, and not all of my armor increases my HP (imo you need some magicka/stamina to hold aggro). Currently i am overcharged in max HP, armor and hp recovery. I have 2357 health unbuffed, 2036 armor unbuffed and 1801 spell resist unbuffed. Now I know these have room to increase w/ better armor, but not much if they are already overcharged. I was told that he/she was looking for a tank with 3000-3500 hp and 3500 armor. Are these actually able to be reached w/o food and class buffs?

For other tanks, what are your stats like? Which armor set (if any) are you using or working towards? I was thinking the Shalidor's Curse set may be pretty useful.

Tanks aren't needed. So there's your problem right there. My main's a Temp tank. I am leveling a DK wearing a dress and a staff now since I would like to take a shot at trials.

My templar is utterly worthless. This is not hyperbole. This is the truth. No good guild will take you unless you are maxed in resto staff, cloth armor, and either a Sorc or DK. There is nothing you nor I can do about this.

But IF I WERE TO BE VIABLE ON MY TEMPLAR:

I would wear two pieces of Light armor, 5 pieces of heavy, have no more than 8 of my points in Stamina, then invest my remaining 44 points into a 2-1 split of health and magicka.

Then it's about balancing your gear around getting minimal additional amounts of magicka and stacking health to about 2.6-3K. Beyond that flat spell resistance. There's a lot of different ways get armor capped with relative ease, so that shouldn't really be that hard. Especially with how many CD's a DK has. It should not be hard to keep Inner Beast up on a target and maintain proper defensive shells/shields to mitigate all damage.

Spells generally hurt more, and you can't really spam Absorb Magic.

That's how the game SHOULD WORK.

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

chaseman245 wrote: »

So i recently hit v12 on my Orc DK Tank. Trying to get myself into trial groups to tank. Recently i was told that my "stats are too low". They may be considering I am only in full purple armor v8+, and not all of my armor increases my HP (imo you need some magicka/stamina to hold aggro). Currently i am overcharged in max HP, armor and hp recovery. I have 2357 health unbuffed, 2036 armor unbuffed and 1801 spell resist unbuffed. Now I know these have room to increase w/ better armor, but not much if they are already overcharged. I was told that he/she was looking for a tank with 3000-3500 hp and 3500 armor. Are these actually able to be reached w/o food and class buffs?

For other tanks, what are your stats like? Which armor set (if any) are you using or working towards? I was thinking the Shalidor's Curse set may be pretty useful.

If your wearing heavy armor , orc, dk, that is the issue. currently the true tank archtype as you have built is undesireable. sure you could increase those stats with some VR 12 crafted. at the end of the day the game is highly imbalanced towards health and stamina builds. I am essentialy the same build though my stats are higher with Mundus and glyphs with food im at about 3100 hp Armor i dont recall but i know im near 350 point over cap.
I have recently re rolled to sorc tank in all honesty all the nerfs to Dk actually hit the tank specs harder then that over overpowered dress and stick spec.

Scorc tank can be hard depending on how you do it, stamina based scor tanks are vary hard too manage because of how expensive defensive skills are over all. Heavy amour doesn't help that fact either.

Magic based tanking is easier too mange because your stamina as support rather then magic.


DKs did get hit hard however it always nice too have two tanks. DK can be main tank but because of the nerfs damage abilities are a no no now. DK tanks have too tank now they can't just put half Their effort I to the "tank" roll.

Scorc tanks can't be nerfed. They would have too nerf like 3 different skill lines

DK tanks are absloutely horrid in trash pulls now if wearing heavy. this whole tanking dynamc is getting worse . more and mmore the game is becoming one spec for everything . im blown away by the level of either incompletence in design or just shear oversight. But its literally pretty bad and getting worse with only 4 classes.

I don't understand how, scors have vary little as car as tanking abilities over all and we manage too make it why can y'all? Our AoE CC misses all the time, we don't have a way too negate damage like u do.

I'm in light amour, sword and shield and living why cant u live in heavy amour?

Oh i do . i cleared the two hardest VR dungeons with my Dk as tank last night. here is the issue Sorc CC misses just as much as DK . Dk's is limited to 3 targets now i can root five or or more at times with Sorc. The bubble? come on know there is no better AOE CC in game . granted its ultimate but hands down best trash utility there is in game.As for negating damage? What does DK have? a damage shiled that absorbs a few hundred hits. Really if your tanking all classes can health cap and armor cap. Its not about survive ability its about utility. survivablity should never be an issue with a good healer. the only real solid survivability the DK line has now is Green dragon blood and i never have to use it with good healers. the skills i rely upon largely come from mage guild,undaunted, and fighters for survivability in all honesty. Heavy armor cap is hit way to easy as is health. All classes have access to those.
Dk has had everyone of its survivability tools nerfed so hard the barely make any difference in end game group content. all its utitlity as well .
Right now all classes in tanking can handle boss damage just as equal as the others. it comes down to set gear and player skill. Tools for large stupid trash pulls are different stories. survivability means nothing now . just my two cents form a DK heavy tank and for the record i am tanking trial content though not very far into AA as our guilds DPS is leaving due to the stamina issues and melee depression. Currently the ones that stayed are working on the stupid PVP bubble because its the only way to make DPS checks on the bosses is to avoid mechanics lol. So thats the long answer to your question the short is this (Magica /light armor/ staff builds> Heavy/ medium melee builds) is causing massive imbalances and very very upset end game player bases.

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

chaseman245 wrote: »

So i recently hit v12 on my Orc DK Tank. Trying to get myself into trial groups to tank. Recently i was told that my "stats are too low". They may be considering I am only in full purple armor v8+, and not all of my armor increases my HP (imo you need some magicka/stamina to hold aggro). Currently i am overcharged in max HP, armor and hp recovery. I have 2357 health unbuffed, 2036 armor unbuffed and 1801 spell resist unbuffed. Now I know these have room to increase w/ better armor, but not much if they are already overcharged. I was told that he/she was looking for a tank with 3000-3500 hp and 3500 armor. Are these actually able to be reached w/o food and class buffs?

For other tanks, what are your stats like? Which armor set (if any) are you using or working towards? I was thinking the Shalidor's Curse set may be pretty useful.

If your wearing heavy armor , orc, dk, that is the issue. currently the true tank archtype as you have built is undesireable. sure you could increase those stats with some VR 12 crafted. at the end of the day the game is highly imbalanced towards health and stamina builds. I am essentialy the same build though my stats are higher with Mundus and glyphs with food im at about 3100 hp Armor i dont recall but i know im near 350 point over cap.
I have recently re rolled to sorc tank in all honesty all the nerfs to Dk actually hit the tank specs harder then that over overpowered dress and stick spec.

Scorc tank can be hard depending on how you do it, stamina based scor tanks are vary hard too manage because of how expensive defensive skills are over all. Heavy amour doesn't help that fact either.

Magic based tanking is easier too mange because your stamina as support rather then magic.


DKs did get hit hard however it always nice too have two tanks. DK can be main tank but because of the nerfs damage abilities are a no no now. DK tanks have too tank now they can't just put half Their effort I to the "tank" roll.

Scorc tanks can't be nerfed. They would have too nerf like 3 different skill lines

DK tanks are absloutely horrid in trash pulls now if wearing heavy. this whole tanking dynamc is getting worse . more and mmore the game is becoming one spec for everything . im blown away by the level of either incompletence in design or just shear oversight. But its literally pretty bad and getting worse with only 4 classes.

I don't understand how, scors have vary little as car as tanking abilities over all and we manage too make it why can y'all? Our AoE CC misses all the time, we don't have a way too negate damage like u do.

I'm in light amour, sword and shield and living why cant u live in heavy amour?

Oh i do . i cleared the two hardest VR dungeons with my Dk as tank last night. here is the issue Sorc CC misses just as much as DK . Dk's is limited to 3 targets now i can root five or or more at times with Sorc. The bubble? come on know there is no better AOE CC in game . granted its ultimate but hands down best trash utility there is in game.As for negating damage? What does DK have? a damage shiled that absorbs a few hundred hits. Really if your tanking all classes can health cap and armor cap. Its not about survive ability its about utility. survivablity should never be an issue with a good healer. the only real solid survivability the DK line has now is Green dragon blood and i never have to use it with good healers. the skills i rely upon largely come from mage guild,undaunted, and fighters for survivability in all honesty. Heavy armor cap is hit way to easy as is health. All classes have access to those.
Dk has had everyone of its survivability tools nerfed so hard the barely make any difference in end game group content. all its utitlity as well .
Right now all classes in tanking can handle boss damage just as equal as the others. it comes down to set gear and player skill. Tools for large stupid trash pulls are different stories. survivability means nothing now . just my two cents form a DK heavy tank and for the record i am tanking trial content though not very far into AA as our guilds DPS is leaving due to the stamina issues and melee depression. Currently the ones that stayed are working on the stupid PVP bubble because its the only way to make DPS checks on the bosses is to avoid mechanics lol. So thats the long answer to your question the short is this (Magica /light armor/ staff builds> Heavy/ medium melee builds) is causing massive imbalances and very very upset end game player bases.

lol what's funny is their are only 2 skills from my main tanking bar that are scorc. Bound amour, hardened ward. The rest are taunt, ring of preservation, entropy morph(which the skill I trade out).


My off bar is flighting flood, bound amour for scorc. The rest are always changeling based on what's going on.

Both are sword and board.

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

chaseman245 wrote: »

So i recently hit v12 on my Orc DK Tank. Trying to get myself into trial groups to tank. Recently i was told that my "stats are too low". They may be considering I am only in full purple armor v8+, and not all of my armor increases my HP (imo you need some magicka/stamina to hold aggro). Currently i am overcharged in max HP, armor and hp recovery. I have 2357 health unbuffed, 2036 armor unbuffed and 1801 spell resist unbuffed. Now I know these have room to increase w/ better armor, but not much if they are already overcharged. I was told that he/she was looking for a tank with 3000-3500 hp and 3500 armor. Are these actually able to be reached w/o food and class buffs?

For other tanks, what are your stats like? Which armor set (if any) are you using or working towards? I was thinking the Shalidor's Curse set may be pretty useful.

If your wearing heavy armor , orc, dk, that is the issue. currently the true tank archtype as you have built is undesireable. sure you could increase those stats with some VR 12 crafted. at the end of the day the game is highly imbalanced towards health and stamina builds. I am essentialy the same build though my stats are higher with Mundus and glyphs with food im at about 3100 hp Armor i dont recall but i know im near 350 point over cap.
I have recently re rolled to sorc tank in all honesty all the nerfs to Dk actually hit the tank specs harder then that over overpowered dress and stick spec.

Scorc tank can be hard depending on how you do it, stamina based scor tanks are vary hard too manage because of how expensive defensive skills are over all. Heavy amour doesn't help that fact either.

Magic based tanking is easier too mange because your stamina as support rather then magic.


DKs did get hit hard however it always nice too have two tanks. DK can be main tank but because of the nerfs damage abilities are a no no now. DK tanks have too tank now they can't just put half Their effort I to the "tank" roll.

Scorc tanks can't be nerfed. They would have too nerf like 3 different skill lines

DK tanks are absloutely horrid in trash pulls now if wearing heavy. this whole tanking dynamc is getting worse . more and mmore the game is becoming one spec for everything . im blown away by the level of either incompletence in design or just shear oversight. But its literally pretty bad and getting worse with only 4 classes.

I don't understand how, scors have vary little as car as tanking abilities over all and we manage too make it why can y'all? Our AoE CC misses all the time, we don't have a way too negate damage like u do.

I'm in light amour, sword and shield and living why cant u live in heavy amour?

Oh i do . i cleared the two hardest VR dungeons with my Dk as tank last night. here is the issue Sorc CC misses just as much as DK . Dk's is limited to 3 targets now i can root five or or more at times with Sorc. The bubble? come on know there is no better AOE CC in game . granted its ultimate but hands down best trash utility there is in game.As for negating damage? What does DK have? a damage shiled that absorbs a few hundred hits. Really if your tanking all classes can health cap and armor cap. Its not about survive ability its about utility. survivablity should never be an issue with a good healer. the only real solid survivability the DK line has now is Green dragon blood and i never have to use it with good healers. the skills i rely upon largely come from mage guild,undaunted, and fighters for survivability in all honesty. Heavy armor cap is hit way to easy as is health. All classes have access to those.
Dk has had everyone of its survivability tools nerfed so hard the barely make any difference in end game group content. all its utitlity as well .
Right now all classes in tanking can handle boss damage just as equal as the others. it comes down to set gear and player skill. Tools for large stupid trash pulls are different stories. survivability means nothing now . just my two cents form a DK heavy tank and for the record i am tanking trial content though not very far into AA as our guilds DPS is leaving due to the stamina issues and melee depression. Currently the ones that stayed are working on the stupid PVP bubble because its the only way to make DPS checks on the bosses is to avoid mechanics lol. So thats the long answer to your question the short is this (Magica /light armor/ staff builds> Heavy/ medium melee builds) is causing massive imbalances and very very upset end game player bases.

lol what's funny is their are only 2 skills from my main tanking bar that are scorc. Bound amour, hardened ward. The rest are taunt, ring of preservation, entropy morph(which the skill I trade out).


My off bar is flighting flood, bound amour for scorc. The rest are always changeling based on what's going on.

Both are sword and board.

same on both my tanks

Your the first person that has ever replicated my skill bar. Now here I s something I want too purpose too the whole tanking community but too you specifically. What if "tanks" were designed too use more then one skill line in order too achieve what it means too be a tank. In coming updates they have already said more skill lines will come out that everyone will have access too. If "class" skill are just select skills only you have access too. If you look at all the skills of the classes they are all some what the same. scorc and DK both have vary similar skills over all. The only thing is HOW they achieve the same effect. Night-blade and Templar both function similar too each other. They both have allot of utility in their class lines. So all 4 classes have skills that group well with the other skill lines.


Now I come from different kind of game, so this is how I build charters. First I decided WHAT resource is going too my main source of damage. Once I determine what the goal of the build will be.

Example:
Class: Night-Blade
Goal: Non-stealth-non caster build.
Main Damage Resource: Stamina
Support Resource: Magic

So iv determined what I'm want too do, now how too I get the character too achieve this goal.

Skills:
Teleport strike(increase next attack power)
Flurry(increase attack speed)
Twin Slash(heal morph)or(degradation) have not decided
Veiled strike or switch this too the execute the ability
Cloak(crit morph)

Now in this build teleport strike is my opener it stuns and increase my attack power. Flurry is my main attack, now here is ware stuff starts too get interesting, so far at level 11 I'm doing between 100-150 dps on elite mobs. Now the rest of my build only augments, gives me breathing room, heals me or adds additional damage.

Now above I stated I wanted a non stealth and non caster type NB. My cloak I use as a utility not as stealth, I use it when the target dose not die in the first round of damage(happens rarely right now) it increase my damage quite a bit more allow for me too cause another stun if needed. Now the veiled strike dose tons of damage right now, not sure if it will stay that way but ATM dose nice damage.


I now have allot of magic based abilities over all, but my main stat is stamina because of this my flurry is going too tons if damage, my light and heavy attacks are going too nice damage. My class skills increase damage or provide utility.

My over all stat goals are going too be 1900 stamina, 1600 magic, and health 1500 or more. Now I'm not sure if I can achieve this goal yet but I'm going too try. With these stats my magic and stamina skills are going too achieve nice damage over all I theory I have not tested this on PTS yet because it's not set up for that kind of testing.

Now if you look at it how I do you can create so many builds, so many different ways.


My basic idea is determine what you main damage resource is going too be and then go from There. Hope this helps people creat builds they enjoy playing.

@Natenorse666ub17_ESO2‌
That's not really an ESO community thing. It's a forum / chat thing in general. Things like 'loosing' and 'it's' instead of 'its' are also very common. Along with variations of 'their' and 'there'.
Oh. And using apostrophes for plural. Very very annoying.

So from what I am gathering here and in-game: currently the traditional 'tank' doesn't exist in ESO...melee and heavy armor are junk...and if someone plays DK they should go with staff/light armor....

Does that about sum it up?

Drakoleon wrote: »

Maybe am wrong but from what i have seen and experianed so far all end game fights are about DDs and Healers. Bosses are too powerfull for any tank to hold plus sword and bash damage its ....joke

in Trials not having a tank is going too kill your group, someone has too be able too take damage.

chaseman245 wrote: »

So i recently hit v12 on my Orc DK Tank. Trying to get myself into trial groups to tank. Recently i was told that my "stats are too low". They may be considering I am only in full purple armor v8+, and not all of my armor increases my HP (imo you need some magicka/stamina to hold aggro). Currently i am overcharged in max HP, armor and hp recovery. I have 2357 health unbuffed, 2036 armor unbuffed and 1801 spell resist unbuffed. Now I know these have room to increase w/ better armor, but not much if they are already overcharged. I was told that he/she was looking for a tank with 3000-3500 hp and 3500 armor. Are these actually able to be reached w/o food and class buffs?

For other tanks, what are your stats like? Which armor set (if any) are you using or working towards? I was thinking the Shalidor's Curse set may be pretty useful.

They are low.

Stamina total is nearly completely irrelevant for a tank. The boss battles are quite long, so what counts is not total stamina, but stamina recovery. Though the bare minimum zero boosted stam recovery can get you thru the trials, provided you get the proper buffs.

Armor is pretty irrelevant too. As long as you wear at least 5 pieces of heavy for the block cost deduction, youll be fine. It should be V12 purple/legend gear, but other then that, more barely matters.

The game has no "hard cap" as people claim, at least not one that can be hit reasonably - maybe around 10,000 minimum. I've gotten my armor up to 6000, and I do take less damage then if I had 5000. It does have diminishing returns, so what you gain past about 2500, is small enough to not worry about it.

Magicka is important. You want lots to get lots of inner beasts off.

3500 health is impossible in pve. (you can hit that in cyrodil only)
3k health is possible, but 100% unreasonable to ask. I can personally hit that, but only just barely and I have the best gear in the game. I usually run at 2920 health tho, to keep my magicka up some (2k).

Also asking "without food" is a pretty huge red sign. If you haven't yet hit hte point where you can afford to run food 100% of the time in pve, much less just in the trials, you definitely aren't cut out ot tank them yet. They are very hard, and demand 100% uptime on critical buffs like food.

Bare minimum i'd say a tank should have 2700 hp buffed with food.

Armor should be 5 heavy, 2 light. That nets you the best spell resistance, and keeps the important block cost deduction.

The best setup is 5 hist bark + 2 magicka furnace (light) + 3 magicka furnace jewlery.

SR/Armor totals will be whatever they will be. Theres no need to focus on them, just wear v12 epic+ hvy gear and the v1 furnace set and thats what the are.

Don't even really need to use a single +armor/sr buff to get thru the trials. Though they can help a lot. 99% of it is just player skills and learning the mechanics.

-Axer
(MT with 50+ AA completions and 20+ Hell Ra)

Heavy Armor desperately needs a passive that moves caps up to make tanks viable. If Medium and Light armor can hit 50% DR against spells and physical, then Heavy should be able to get to 65%.

It can't be small.