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The unnoticed secret of ESO that could change everything...
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Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'll be fine
For those of us who truly enjoy the story and read it like a book, it's not boring.
Please don't speak for all of us, thanks.
See, I do truly enjoy the story and read it like a book. However, when I have read the book for the third time, it gets...that is the word?
Boring.Edited by Blackwidow on June 11, 2014 12:20PM4 -
seitekisaki✭✭✭@kieso
the argonian maid huh.. I miss oblivion... Now all this game needs is mbp++, HGEC, and claudia's little secret. lol xD
Trolling aside though. I wish I could buy an in game house to buy bookshelves and things.1 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well Zenimax had it easy with the lore seeing as the series is 20 years old. One immersion-breaking thing though is some of these books are from the future. Maybe Crassius Curio is actually several centuries old by the time Morrowind takes place...
There's actually a book in this game that explains that. It's called "The Lusty Argonian Maid: An Oral Tradition" or something along those lines.
As far as I'm concerned, the lore/story guys did their due diligence on this game. I haven't found anything world-shattering.----
Murray?0 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.----
Murray?1 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Edit: Just found a write-up on that piece, and it appears one must first finish the Mages Guild quest in order to use that skill.
Since the Mages Guild quest contains solo-only instances, my wife and I are avoiding them out of principle (we refuse to solo quests at all).Edited by GreySix on June 11, 2014 1:11PMCrotchety Old Man Guild
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Zabalah✭✭✭GrimlockSaves wrote: »After reaching V12 in a kind of vanity crazed rush, I decided to play the game differently... Two things:
- I started listening to quest givers and learning the story of what is going on.
- I started to read lore books.
I then went on to think, maybe there are a lot of bugs and issues, but maybe ZOS had a strong focus on delivering a beautiful MMO world with a rich RPG lore.
Perhaps ZOS has paid attention and realized in all MMOs, class balance and bugs are a constant, but good stories are few and far between. Have you noticed how fixing quests and story progression has taken a priority in many instances?
Maybe they DIDN'T expect fans to superficially disregard quests and story lines (except for when they are broken) to such a monumental degree.
For all the haters and power levelers who are rocking this like an MMO FPS, I highly recommend trying to play it like an MMORPG. Yes, there is no immediate "look at me and my shiny gear" rewards, but there are good stories.
Like ANY relationship in the entire world, if you focus on the negative seek to find faults, you will find them and they will make you a negative and unhappy person. If you focus on the positive and seek good things, you will find them and they will endow you with the patience to weather any puny storm of negativity.
Excellent post and very insightful.
I'm an old MMO addict. It is usually my style to cap out in level asap, because afterall, it is the end game that is more important than the journey, right?
In this case, for this game, that philosophy is absolutely wrong.
I decided to slow level this game, read the story, immerse myself in a fantasy world, and explore every inch of the content.
The result has been a very satisfying experience.
The OP is spot on, and I applaud him for taking a very controversial stance on a topic that is sure to bring the trolls out.
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aleister✭✭✭✭GrimlockSaves wrote: »After reaching V12 in a kind of vanity crazed rush, I decided to play the game differently... Two things:
- I started listening to quest givers and learning the story of what is going on.
- I started to read lore books.
I then went on to think, maybe there are a lot of bugs and issues, but maybe ZOS had a strong focus on delivering a beautiful MMO world with a rich RPG lore.
Perhaps ZOS has paid attention and realized in all MMOs, class balance and bugs are a constant, but good stories are few and far between. Have you noticed how fixing quests and story progression has taken a priority in many instances?
Maybe they DIDN'T expect fans to superficially disregard quests and story lines (except for when they are broken) to such a monumental degree.
For all the haters and power levelers who are rocking this like an MMO FPS, I highly recommend trying to play it like an MMORPG. Yes, there is no immediate "look at me and my shiny gear" rewards, but there are good stories.
Like ANY relationship in the entire world, if you focus on the negative seek to find faults, you will find them and they will make you a negative and unhappy person. If you focus on the positive and seek good things, you will find them and they will endow you with the patience to weather any puny storm of negativity.
Meh. The main & guild storylines were mildly interesting, but the zone quests are flat and mostly variations of one another. If I want to read good stories, I can find better writing in a book. I play games for action and fun. A nice story as a background is a plus, but not the main focal point.1 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Is that a skill?It's part of the final reward you get from finishing the Mages Guild questline. You access it the same way you access your Lore Books in the Journal tab.----
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Pewpie✭✭✭Good stories. Copy paste x 100. Makes it no less good stories, but you don't wanna re-play the same stuff over and over. There is a limit how much you can take before it gets too obvious, and that line is crossed in ESO after... no idea. Stopped caring about quests once you figure out its just the same run-fetch, run-kill whatever, with a fancy dress on it to make it "less obvious".0 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Edited my original reply to state that since that skill is gained contingent upon completing the Mages Guild quest, getting it is a no-go until the developers stop forcing solo-only play in those instances.nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Is that a skill?It's part of the final reward you get from finishing the Mages Guild questline. You access it the same way you access your Lore Books in the Journal tab.
Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Zabalah✭✭✭jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »Apparently you don't realize that most of the end game people did do ALL of the content and while it was bugged. They are also doing it right now in Crag and Cyro. You are being demeaning to the majority of the player base thinking you are the "smart" player going slow assuming others rushed and skipped content when in fact they simply did ALL the content faster than you. By the time you get to Crag there may not be enough around to do the content reliably and you could miss out on that part of the story thinking others have rushed to it depending on how slow you are taking it. Being slow does not equal intelligence or being smart.
Would like to point out that the 'majority of the player base' is simply your opinion and not a documented, official survey.
Doing content 'fast' is not necessarily 'smart' either. While your play-style may differ from others, the game remains a visual story, that hopes to immerse you in it's tale of adventure and discovery.
How you do that, is entirely up to the individual player.
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HandofBane✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »As far as I'm concerned, the lore/story guys did their due diligence on this game. I haven't found anything world-shattering.
It's as if a million Argonian slave voices cried out in terror, then were suddenly silenced.1 -
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✭✭✭✭I couldn't agree more, OP.
This is the first MMO since SWG where I didn't feel rushed to get to max level/end game. The world is rich and is easy to get lost in. There's much more to do then mindlessly grind.Daggerfall Covenant
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Edited my original reply to state that since that skill is gained contingent upon completing the Mages Guild quest, getting it is a no-go until the developers stop forcing solo-only play in those instances.nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Is that a skill?It's part of the final reward you get from finishing the Mages Guild questline. You access it the same way you access your Lore Books in the Journal tab.
Yes, we all get it. We have read your thread-hijacking posts about solo-only instances in every. Single. Thread. We are all aware that you're not a fan of the mechanic. You can feel free to send the developers feedback in-game, but I'd bear in mind that most people don't mind (and *gasp* even enjoy) the solo content.----
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Edited my original reply to state that since that skill is gained contingent upon completing the Mages Guild quest, getting it is a no-go until the developers stop forcing solo-only play in those instances.nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Is that a skill?It's part of the final reward you get from finishing the Mages Guild questline. You access it the same way you access your Lore Books in the Journal tab.
Yes, we all get it. We have read your thread-hijacking posts about solo-only instances in every. Single. Thread. We are all aware that you're not a fan of the mechanic. You can feel free to send the developers feedback in-game, but I'd bear in mind that most people don't mind (and *gasp* even enjoy) the solo content.
Ah, my personal stalker is back!
Yeah, my reply was based on my initial observation that I didn't want to remain in-place, reading books, while mobs respawned around me.
But feel free to continue your irrational stalking and diatribe against me.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Edited my original reply to state that since that skill is gained contingent upon completing the Mages Guild quest, getting it is a no-go until the developers stop forcing solo-only play in those instances.nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Is that a skill?It's part of the final reward you get from finishing the Mages Guild questline. You access it the same way you access your Lore Books in the Journal tab.
Yes, we all get it. We have read your thread-hijacking posts about solo-only instances in every. Single. Thread. We are all aware that you're not a fan of the mechanic. You can feel free to send the developers feedback in-game, but I'd bear in mind that most people don't mind (and *gasp* even enjoy) the solo content.
Ah, my personal stalker is back!
Yeah, my reply was based on my initial observation that I didn't want to remain in-place, reading books, while mobs respawned around me.
But feel free to continue your irrational stalking and diatribe against me.
I... what?
This is the first time I've mentioned your penchant for making every thread a thread about solo instances. Because after reading the 30th post about it, it gets old.
On the subject of this thread: you have a way to do exactly what you've described. It is right there for you to take advantage of. Your personal insistence on not doing solo instances is the only thing keeping you from accessing that feature, and that's your problem.----
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
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What I mentioned ties in directly with the subject of the OP, your like or dislike of what I posted notwithstanding.nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Edited my original reply to state that since that skill is gained contingent upon completing the Mages Guild quest, getting it is a no-go until the developers stop forcing solo-only play in those instances.nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Is that a skill?It's part of the final reward you get from finishing the Mages Guild questline. You access it the same way you access your Lore Books in the Journal tab.
Yes, we all get it. We have read your thread-hijacking posts about solo-only instances in every. Single. Thread. We are all aware that you're not a fan of the mechanic. You can feel free to send the developers feedback in-game, but I'd bear in mind that most people don't mind (and *gasp* even enjoy) the solo content.
Ah, my personal stalker is back!
Yeah, my reply was based on my initial observation that I didn't want to remain in-place, reading books, while mobs respawned around me.
But feel free to continue your irrational stalking and diatribe against me.
I... what?
This is the first time I've mentioned your penchant for making every thread a thread about solo instances. Because after reading the 30th post about it, it gets old.
If you don't like it, then find a way to deal with it ... other than stalking me
Crotchety Old Man Guild
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GreasedLizard✭✭✭This is why the game succeeds, and why many RPG fans love it. Also why the forums are spammed by typical *** MMO trolls, who see it as an MMO not an RPG
There is tons of polish all over the place ... just frustrating when there are some things you would expect to be fixed in pre-Beta (passives I am looking at you!)0 -
Nazon_Katts✭✭✭✭✭For many, the MMO part justifies the monthly fees. Not offering ways to see that and heavily relying on single player RPG mechanics is a sure way to make an unsuccessful MMORPG, since you need a healthy mixture of both."You've probably figured that out by now. Let's hope so. Or we're in real trouble... and out come the intestines. And I skip rope with them!"1 -
Elirienne✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Edit: Just found a write-up on that piece, and it appears one must first finish the Mages Guild quest in order to use that skill.
Since the Mages Guild quest contains solo-only instances, my wife and I are avoiding them out of principle (we refuse to solo quests at all).
Don't think you're punishing zenimax with this. You're punishing yourself with missing out on a fab story. But each to his own.
Forcing solo is always better than forcing group. Not everyone plays/can play/wants to play with others, but everyone can play solo.2 -
Chryos✭✭✭✭Dang, you missed all that the previous VR11 levels.If I am going to quote someone, it's going to be me.0 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
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I wrote nothing about punishing at all. As a work-around for a serious flaw in this MMO, we're simply avoiding solo-only instances, until they fix the flaw. If they don't fix it by the time we run out of things to do, we'll unsubscribe, as many have already done.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Concur with what another poster wrote, in that I'd like the ability to keep and read the books later at my leisure, vice reading on the spot while mobs respawn and attack.
I'm not sure if Eidetic Memory is still bugged (most of my books appear to be there now), but you already have that ability.
Edit: Just found a write-up on that piece, and it appears one must first finish the Mages Guild quest in order to use that skill.
Since the Mages Guild quest contains solo-only instances, my wife and I are avoiding them out of principle (we refuse to solo quests at all).
Don't think you're punishing zenimax with this. You're punishing yourself with missing out on a fab story. But each to his own.
That is strictly your opinion, and I and others vehemently disagree with it.Forcing solo is always better than forcing group. Not everyone plays/can play/wants to play with others, but everyone can play solo.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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temjiu✭✭✭✭Just as an FYI...
Many people who hit VR content did not rush either. many of us read and loved the stories. Wanted to enjoy more of it when we hit 50.
Two things killed it: the serious imbalance in VR levels (that ESO still to this day denies it's existence), and the serious imbalance of the classes (most setups cannot efficiently survive VR outside of running with a destro staff or a resto staff).
those two items WILL NOT disappear just because you take your time, or take your time faster then everyone else, or rush through ignoring it. you're just putting off the point in which you will have to face it.
I do agree with the OP though...if you take your time and read the stories, they are good. IMO it's nothing different then reading a book you enjoyed again...or watching your favorite movie. It was really fun. I almost wish the game would have ended at 50...with some group stuff after that. I at least wouldn't feel like i don't want to do 2/3 of a game I loved for the first 1/3....
EDIT: to your post title OP...while I agree with you that reading the story is great, your title is disingenuous. It indicates that if you actually READ the stories, enjoy the scenery, that somehow the VR content, the serious imbalance, the bugs and glitches, these things will NOT make you quit or stop playing in frustration. Quite the contrary...That exact thing happened to me...and many others.Edited by temjiu on June 11, 2014 8:35PM0 -
zgrssd✭✭✭✭I fully exected the current level of buggyness, inbalancing and exploits. It would have been stupid not to expect it in any new game, much less an MMO!
I also expect the roughest parts to last up to 6 months after launch (we jsut started the 3rd).
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Sighlynce✭✭✭I thought is was pretty neat that my character was named in the 5 Companion edition 9 ( I think) Book i found in the harbor after I defeated Molag Bal. And those notes left by Stibbons in the Coldharbour quests were great. The only thing that would have topped him being held captive by a Lusty Deadra would have been him being held captive by a Lusty Argonian Deadra !!!!
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temjiu✭✭✭✭I fully exected the current level of buggyness, inbalancing and exploits. It would have been stupid not to expect it in any new game, much less an MMO!
I also expect the roughest parts to last up to 6 months after launch (we jsut started the 3rd).
And it will never be solved fully, for that MMO's are just way to complex. They are about as complex as your average operating systems and look how buggy they are when new...
I agree with you ZG. and honestly, I'm usually a "silver lining" kind of guy. I've stuck with MMO's before that were in bad shape. This one i couldn't. I will check in later to see if they have changed their direction in allot of things...and fixed the severe balance issues that killed my ability to enjoy most of the playstyles I like to play and enjoy in these games.
I hope that in a few months I can log in, and my Templar wading through battle in heavy armor and wielding a huge 2h weapon can survive as long as my DK in a dress and a staff. I hope that i can make it through VR content (or perhaps even bypass it doing something different), and I hope that characters wearing 2h weapons or dual wielding daggers are accepted into group runs.
but I didn't see that happening any time soon. And in spite of my positive outlook and forgiving nature when it comes to rocky MMO releases (I suffered through SWtOR early launch and 2+ years of solid playing...and I still play Aion once in awhile to this day)...
In spite of that, I still couldn't keep my sub up with this one.Edited by temjiu on June 11, 2014 8:42PM0 -
Loco_Mofo✭✭✭✭✭I don't get how this was a secret.
News just in: Reading the dialogue and lorebooks makes the game more enjoyable.
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Rastaban✭✭✭isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »I have to disagree. I think the quests could be better. The whole premise of the game's storyline is that we don't have a soul because it's been taken but we get back to Tamriel in our bodies anyway. What would be the repercussions of losing one's soul? In ESO, not having a soul seems to make no difference. It would have been much better for one's soul to mean something.
But it does; it allows us to do certain things and go certain places that normal people can't.
See, I think that's just a cop out though. After playing for a little while in the lower levels, I don't see how not having a soul does or doesn't affect my character in any way. If my character has been affected, I don't know about it. If you're only affected in higher levels, that's lame.
Not having a soul should make things harder or it should limit things in such a way that obstacles need to be worked through and solved as part of the game. The whole idea of having our souls ripped out and then having it mean virtually nothing to game play is and has been a disappointment and made the questline seem sloppy.Edited by Rastaban on June 11, 2014 11:30PM0
