After firing up to 300 workers in the EU, do you still think they will move the EU server?

Reykice · June 2014

This is an article from the local news paper, the one in the town where people lost their jobs. It has since been confirmed so its all sadly true.

This shows that the game did not do as well as they thought at least in the EU... so are they still going to move the server or will they just keep sweet talking us into Oblivion?

Hadria · June 2014

Weren't they temp jobs, so they're temps ended earlier then they thought oh well guess they weren't needed as bad as they thought

Reykice · June 2014

No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.

connachttribune.ie/galway-jobs-blow-300-gone-software-firm/

The link, for some reason it won`t let me post it in the original post.

ZiRM · June 2014

I think EU has been deceived.

Mablung · June 2014

Hadria wrote: »

Weren't they temp jobs, so they're temps ended earlier then they thought oh well guess they weren't needed as bad as they thought

Even so, it is never a good sign when large numbers of employees (temps or not) are let go in such a short time frame.

Nuitar · June 2014

Don`t care.

Temp jobs. Customer service people. Unfortunately (sorry) the most replaceable people of any software company.

Realistically, all CS can be outsourced to highly trained, dirt cheap Indian call centers. Being a business owner, I would do the exact same.

Now, letting go of engineers, product people, inbound marketing folk - that is much more a sign of a downward spiral.

Nox_Aeterna · June 2014

Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.

i dont know how big zenimax media is , but considering all it got under its umbrella , 300 might not be much.

ers101284b14_ESO · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

Weren't they temp jobs, so they're temps ended earlier then they thought oh well guess they weren't needed as bad as they thought

Even so, it is never a good sign when large numbers of employees (temps or not) are let go in such a short time frame.

I was hired to do a temp job a long with 150 people. The job was for 6 months. We got it done in 3. Guess what happened we were let go and no the company who hired us didn't go under.

Reykice · June 2014

No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

i dont know how big zenimax media is , but considering all it got under its umbrella , 300 might not be much.

These were people hired specifically for ESO... i don`t know how many they have working for ESO in total but 300 sounds like a lot of people to fire in a single game...

This is how SWTOR did it too.

Mablung · June 2014

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

Weren't they temp jobs, so they're temps ended earlier then they thought oh well guess they weren't needed as bad as they thought

Even so, it is never a good sign when large numbers of employees (temps or not) are let go in such a short time frame.

I was hired to do a temp job a long with 150 people. The job was for 6 months. We got it done in 3. Guess what happened we were let go and no the company who hired us didn't go under.

So the job you performed is relative to the gaming industry?

Reykice · June 2014

No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

Weren't they temp jobs, so they're temps ended earlier then they thought oh well guess they weren't needed as bad as they thought

Even so, it is never a good sign when large numbers of employees (temps or not) are let go in such a short time frame.

I was hired to do a temp job a long with 150 people. The job was for 6 months. We got it done in 3. Guess what happened we were let go and no the company who hired us didn't go under.

This is not about going under... its about them moving the server when its clear that their sales were well below expectations...

They are cutting costs and moving the server is an extra cost...

EDIT: I`m sure that if they are sure they will move it and have a plan one of their people will reply here or in another thread about the EU server letting us know...

ers101284b14_ESO · June 2014

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

Weren't they temp jobs, so they're temps ended earlier then they thought oh well guess they weren't needed as bad as they thought

Even so, it is never a good sign when large numbers of employees (temps or not) are let go in such a short time frame.

I was hired to do a temp job a long with 150 people. The job was for 6 months. We got it done in 3. Guess what happened we were let go and no the company who hired us didn't go under.

This is not about going under... its about them moving the server when its clear that their sales were well below expectations...

They are cutting costs and moving the server is an extra cost...

And where is your evidence of this? Where are your numbers? You got nothing but hear say from a website. You got nothing to support any claim at all.

Thunderchief · June 2014

Don`t care.

They got rid of 300 people because they can't have more employees than customers.

Reykice · June 2014

No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

Weren't they temp jobs, so they're temps ended earlier then they thought oh well guess they weren't needed as bad as they thought

Even so, it is never a good sign when large numbers of employees (temps or not) are let go in such a short time frame.

I was hired to do a temp job a long with 150 people. The job was for 6 months. We got it done in 3. Guess what happened we were let go and no the company who hired us didn't go under.

This is not about going under... its about them moving the server when its clear that their sales were well below expectations...

They are cutting costs and moving the server is an extra cost...

And where is your evidence of this? Where are your numbers? You got nothing but hear say from a website. You got nothing to support any claim at all.

Oh the "bring evidence or its not true" people... i always like you....

Its an article from a local news paper that has not been in any way denied by ZENIMAX... the link is in the 3rd post, it won`t let me edit the 1st one to add it.

If you have any questions or think they are lying go and call them... or call ZEMIMAX ask them if its true whatever...

Also, if your post was about "how do i know the game did not sell that well in the EU" well i am in 5 guilds, the maximum online people i see now is 30% or less of what it used to be at launch... also a common topic in those guilds is "a lot of people left".

ers101284b14_ESO · June 2014

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

Weren't they temp jobs, so they're temps ended earlier then they thought oh well guess they weren't needed as bad as they thought

Even so, it is never a good sign when large numbers of employees (temps or not) are let go in such a short time frame.

I was hired to do a temp job a long with 150 people. The job was for 6 months. We got it done in 3. Guess what happened we were let go and no the company who hired us didn't go under.

This is not about going under... its about them moving the server when its clear that their sales were well below expectations...

They are cutting costs and moving the server is an extra cost...

And where is your evidence of this? Where are your numbers? You got nothing but hear say from a website. You got nothing to support any claim at all.

Oh the "bring evidence or its not true" people... i always like you....

Its an article from a local news paper that has not been in any way denied by ZENIMAX... the link is in the 3rd post, it won`t let me edit the 1st one to add it.

If you have any questions or think they are lying go and call them... or call ZEMIMAX ask them if its true whatever...

Also, if your post was about "how do i know the game did not sell that well in the EU" well i am in 5 guilds, the maximum online people i see now is 30% or less of what it used to be at launch... also a common topic in those guilds is "a lot of people left".

Oh the I bent over and pulled out some numbers people... Yeah we like you too

Well 100% of my guild mates still log on at least 3 times a week. Not my fault your guild is no fun and people don't wanna play with you.

Thunderchief · June 2014

Don`t care.

Your guild leader probably removes inactive players and recruits new people. Guilds were this is not done are becoming barren.

Reykice · June 2014

No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

Weren't they temp jobs, so they're temps ended earlier then they thought oh well guess they weren't needed as bad as they thought

Even so, it is never a good sign when large numbers of employees (temps or not) are let go in such a short time frame.

I was hired to do a temp job a long with 150 people. The job was for 6 months. We got it done in 3. Guess what happened we were let go and no the company who hired us didn't go under.

This is not about going under... its about them moving the server when its clear that their sales were well below expectations...

They are cutting costs and moving the server is an extra cost...

And where is your evidence of this? Where are your numbers? You got nothing but hear say from a website. You got nothing to support any claim at all.

Oh the "bring evidence or its not true" people... i always like you....

Its an article from a local news paper that has not been in any way denied by ZENIMAX... the link is in the 3rd post, it won`t let me edit the 1st one to add it.

If you have any questions or think they are lying go and call them... or call ZEMIMAX ask them if its true whatever...

Also, if your post was about "how do i know the game did not sell that well in the EU" well i am in 5 guilds, the maximum online people i see now is 30% or less of what it used to be at launch... also a common topic in those guilds is "a lot of people left".

Oh the I bent over and pulled out some numbers people... Yeah we like you too

Well 100% of my guild mates still log on at least 3 times a week. Not my fault your guild is no fun and people don't wanna play with you.

4 of them are trading guilds... everyone is noticing it don`t know how you are not.

Still, be it your way, they fired 300 people because the game was bug free and had no more need for Customer Support people... fine.

This is about them moving the EU server after firing 300 people not about the population.

DrOrpheus · June 2014

Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.

Fired extra CS people that they hired in prep for console launch that got delayed, let them go and the pitch forks and aluminium hats come out. Companies let temp CS people go all the time, granted not in these huge numbers over a short period of time, but most companies don't hire that much extra work and keep them on board for extra months they didn't plan on having.

Reykice · June 2014

No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.

Thunderchief wrote: »

Your guild leader probably removes inactive players and recruits new people. Guilds were this is not done are becoming barren.

No need to argue with him i`m sure he is convinced he is right....

As for the guild i am in, the one that is not a trading guild... we are about 150-200 MMO players, a community. We always play one MMO or another...

We had 200 active people for the first week, then they started quitting for various reasons, bugs, they did not like the balance in PvP, too much of this too little of that and so on. They are still in the community only they play another MMO now... can be easily noticed when ESO went from 50-60 people on TS to 5-10 at most now.

But then again this is not the thread for that, i`m just worried the lag will drive the rest out. Before you go about saying "how do i know other are lagging" well i just watch the general chat. Its full of people saying they have lag.

Mablung · June 2014

DrOrpheus wrote: »

Fired extra CS people that they hired in prep for console launch that got delayed, let them go and the pitch forks and aluminium hats come out. Companies let temp CS people go all the time, granted not in these huge numbers over a short period of time, but most companies don't hire that much extra work and keep them on board for extra months they didn't plan on having.

This is the same as saying they were hired for EU server migration. No proof about what their job entailed, console or server. Only fact is that a number of people were let go rather quickly after they were hired for a certain, lengthier duration.

ers101284b14_ESO · June 2014

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

Thunderchief wrote: »

Your guild leader probably removes inactive players and recruits new people. Guilds were this is not done are becoming barren.

No need to argue with him i`m sure he is convinced he is right....

As for the guild i am in, the one that is not a trading guild... we are about 150-200 MMO players, a community. We always play one MMO or another...

We had 200 active people for the first week, then they started quitting for various reasons, bugs, they did not like the balance in PvP, too much of this too little of that and so on. They are still in the community only they play another MMO now... can be easily noticed when ESO went from 50-60 people on TS to 5-10 at most now.

But then again this is not the thread for that, i`m just worried the lag will drive the rest out. Before you go about saying "how do i know other are lagging" well i just watch the general chat. Its full of people saying they have lag.

I'm not trying to say I'm right and everyone else is wrong I'm saying you don't have anything to go on. Half an mmo population leaves in the first 3 months. That doesn't mean the game is dieing. In FF14 I went from a guild with 200 active players to only having 3 in less than a week. Even quit myself.

But to say a game is doomed because unneeded workers where let go is asinine. I've been let go early from temp jobs because we finished early. My brother on the other hand got a temp IT job with 6 other people. After 6 months those people were let go and he got hired on permanently. He now runs IT at Amazon.

Good and bad things happen in this world but your jumping the gun saying its doom and gloom when you really don't know anything about anything. Your just upset because the game wasn't what you thought it would be and looking for any hope for it to fail.

Blackwidow · June 2014

No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.

Frankly, at this point I'm surprised they bother to turn the lights on for us to play.

sagitter · June 2014

You should ask to a dev, not to us ^^

Wolfshead · June 2014

No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.

I don't see what problem is Blizzard did lay off 600 People worldwide in 2012 but did the go bankrupt or did WoW go F2P for that??

massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/29/blizzard-announces-layoffs-of-600-employees-worldwide/http://

I would not to put much in to this for in all honest to keep a server run you don't need 400+ people for that and if move server to EU it is fine but i don't really care where server is stand to total honest.

Edit : I vote Don`t care.

tuntuns · June 2014

No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.

Employment and firing people always have a reason. Mostly due to required FTE. When headcount is about to being performed there is assumption how many we will need and for how long. If the rumor is true that they predicted those employees for 6 months and they are getting fired after just two months then there happen something really unexpected and anything good for sure...

Mablung · June 2014

Wolfshead wrote: »

I don't see what problem is Blizzard did lay off 600 People worldwide in 2012 but did the go bankrupt or did WoW go F2P for that??

massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/29/blizzard-announces-layoffs-of-600-employees-worldwide/http://

I would not to put much in to this for in all honest to keep a server run you don't need 400+ people for that and if move server to EU it is fine but i don't really care where server is stand to total honest.

This is such a good argument since Blizzard launched World of Warcraft in 2012....oh...wait a minute.

Anyhow, who said anything about Zenimax going bankrupt? I believe the thought is this specific title is in trouble. I could be wrong.

Aeradon · June 2014

Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.

They placed the call centre in Europe? The layoff is inevitable then, outsourcing or even setting one up in the South East Asian countries would be a much better choice, cost wise and service wise.

I don't see anyway of hiring 24/7 CS in Europe without skyrocketing the cost.

Btw, Customer Service personnels has nothing to do with Server relocation.

LadyLothi · June 2014

I believe the thought is this specific title is in trouble. I could be wrong.

Yes, you could be. So could others.
This game has people singing it's death song since before it even launched. It's very tiring. There is no saying whether it's malicious intent, justified fear or just plain old negativity which is so prevalent in every gaming forum.

I do not understand at all why people need to speculate about a game's demise.

As for me, I enjoy the game - the good, the bad and the ugly - as long as it lasts and refuse to worry my pretty little head about things I have no factual knowledge about.

The one thing I DO know is, that I cannot set foot anywhere in the pre-Vet zones without stumbling over dozens of people. The beginner islands are almost as overrun as back in the beta days.

Wolfshead · June 2014

No, i don`t think they will move the EU server in an EU country.

Mablung wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

I don't see what problem is Blizzard did lay off 600 People worldwide in 2012 but did the go bankrupt or did WoW go F2P for that??

massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/29/blizzard-announces-layoffs-of-600-employees-worldwide/http://

I would not to put much in to this for in all honest to keep a server run you don't need 400+ people for that and if move server to EU it is fine but i don't really care where server is stand to total honest.

This is such a good argument since Blizzard launched World of Warcraft in 2012....oh...wait a minute.

Anyhow, who said anything about Zenimax going bankrupt? I believe the thought is this specific title is in trouble. I could be wrong.

No but point is that many company do this so it is not big deal what come down to at the end of day is company want to earn a profit and having 300 that is not generate any profit and just cost money i think most company will fire them it is simple economy to be honest.

bugulu · June 2014

Yes, i think they will still move the EU server in an EU country.

Those who believe in the conspiracy that EU players will never experience a EU server, do you also believe that they are not banning bot accounts because they might lose subscription fees? That we never landed on the moon? Pharmacy companies are withholding cures to various diseases just to earn money? World Trade Center was an inside job?

Could it be that these people were hired specifically for the console launch and when it never happened, there was no reason at all to keep them?
Well done also on turning the thread title to your advantage. A more correct title would have been: Temp workers were let go months earlier than anticipated.

Razour · June 2014

Don`t care.

I'm based in the EU but play on NA server.

I hear people from both servers asserting that populations are declining: many people are talking about problems with PvP campaign balance and also class balance issues; there is a lot of discussion about whether you really can play ESO your way (I know I can't).

All of those topics have to be much higher up ZOS's priority list than moving the EU server and, in my humble opinion, rightly so.

Put another way: who will care where the server is if nobody is playing.

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